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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On December 15 2012 16:10 Hapahauli wrote: Kinda disconcerting to see kush normal crazy self. Draz also showed up bigtime with his new "aggressive" playstle... You saying they aren't lurking? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Totally not sarcasm | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
Oh dear. I am bad with that. I just want something to happen... | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
##Vote JieXian @Hapa/DP/Thrawn/Draz - You all went after Djo for his post saying we shouldn't share townreads. This concerns me because I made a very similar post before his and caught absolutely no flak for it. Even putting aside that he is right that sharing town reads is a bad idea with few exceptions (see below), this means that you all treated the same policy stance in 2 different ways. Did you overlook that I had taken the same stance? Or were you just looking for another reason to go after Djo? Exceptions 1. Someone you have a townread on is getting votes/going to be lynched. 2. You have sufficiently narrowed down the possible scum with strong town reads. 3. Your townread is a supporting assumption to your scum read that you are pushing. There are good reasons to share town reads, but there aren't many, and you can absolutely scumhunt without sharing them outside these exceptions. Most people do. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
Town wishes to nullify that information advantage as fast as possible. One of the most effective ways of doing that is by being proactive and sharing town reads. I will be free and open with my town reads. I will be electing bad townies however. If I had a town read on HAPA he would never be elected for example. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
On December 15 2012 17:37 DarthPunk wrote: this is fucking stupid. The mafia know who to shoot into already. They know who the townies are. They have an information advantage that they wish to maintain for as long as possible. Town wishes to nullify that information advantage as fast as possible. One of the most effective ways of doing that is by being proactive and sharing town reads. I will be free and open with my town reads. I will be electing bad townies however. If I had a town read on HAPA he would never be elected for example. You are being dumb. The mafia know who the townies are, they do not know who will be receiving votes. Townreads give information to scum that they didn't have, period. Knowing who townies are and knowing who townies think are townie are 2 very separate things. This isn't about playing in fear of the witch hunter, this is about playing smart. Giving mafia information is not smart. This is the second time you have made this kind of statement. It is as if you are treating the mafia kp and the witchhunter as the same thing. You are addressing the mafia kp, when the witch hunter is the issue. So what if you manage to elect bad townies if the mafia just shoot the good townies and silver shoot the bad ones. The point is this, we can maximize the possibility that the witch hunter misses by denying scum information that we really don't need to share anyways. Maybe we are thinking about different examples of 'free and open with town reads'. I'm thinking of lists of townies being posted like Xatalos did in paranoia, which was bad. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On December 15 2012 17:54 DoYouHas wrote: You are being dumb. The mafia know who the townies are, they do not know who will be receiving votes. Townreads give information to scum that they didn't have, period. Knowing who townies are and knowing who townies think are townie are 2 very separate things. This isn't about playing in fear of the witch hunter, this is about playing smart. Giving mafia information is not smart. This is the second time you have made this kind of statement. It is as if you are treating the mafia kp and the witchhunter as the same thing. You are addressing the mafia kp, when the witch hunter is the issue. So what if you manage to elect bad townies if the mafia just shoot the good townies and silver shoot the bad ones. The point is this, we can maximize the possibility that the witch hunter misses by denying scum information that we really don't need to share anyways. Maybe we are thinking about different examples of 'free and open with town reads'. I'm thinking of lists of townies being posted like Xatalos did in paranoia, which was bad. I am not worried about the witch hunter at all. It's just a vig with drawbacks. I am more worried about regular night kills offing a good player and a blue action at the same time. In fact I want to make it as unpleasent as possible for scum because they KNOW that if they off a good player a blue action will resolve. The other thing is blues are incredibly resilient in this game. And blue sniping is less strong. As the roles will just appear the next night. So. If we elect bad townies to the blue roles. The mafia vig can never hit a good player that will threaten them with regular scum hunting. Every time they DO hit a good player with regular KP 2 or more night actions are resolving that could potentially out them. Regular KP will NEVER hit a blue because they will be offing dangerous players. The weaker players will have night actions in order to make THEM more of a threat than they would otherwise be. Also it does not prevent us from sharing our super strong town reads. Which I take issue with as information dispersal is one of the keys to town victories. I fail to see how that is not the best course of action in regards to the witchcraft elections. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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drazak
United States479 Posts
On December 15 2012 23:21 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote JieXian Care to explain your vote out of nowhere? I think we should share townreads, no matter who we vote for. Would rather not get hampered for no reason. Even if scum gets off 2 perfect vig shots and it's 8-3 with 2 blue roles left, and I think that's town favored. | ||
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drazak
United States479 Posts
Hard to be active when you're falling asleep irl. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on) Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame. Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads) | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341663&user=137099 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625&user=137099 0 reads 0 risks this game, because town has been going the wrong way, because he doesn't need to. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
thurs night into Friday I had to do an allnighter. right after I had to go to work from 1pm to 10p and it was fucking busy because some bitch died. Now I have to work today 8 to 8. Also this upcoming week I have 4 finals. QQ over * Dear dp, Can you spam less please? Love, kush * My biggest scumread so far is djodref. I'm not going to make a big case because it's mostly a feel read at this point honestly. On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't what's really going on in this post is he is making it clear that the reason he brought up the witchcraft votes in the first place was because he thought it was something town would do, and he brought it up not because he cared but because he thought it would make him look town. The other part of my suspicion is how he reacted under pressure. in the last game I played with him he was town. There was a similar early bandwagon and he seemed like he didn't really give a shit. This game he responded to the bandwagon very attentively. Making lists and responding to everyone. His vote on hapa looked like a panic vote. * Hapa... I am concerned with this guy. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he has a really good feel for dps meta and has caught scum dp many times. But I found his case on dp really underwhelming and reaching. And then he drops the tunnel because of something he read irc...really? * this game is full of lurkers, but I think most of them are going to get modkilled or replaced. I will vote for a lurker who is avoiding modkill, and right now this includes drazak and threesr. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
I should be more or less actually helpful from now on. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On December 16 2012 01:23 kushm4sta wrote: sob story of why I've been a lurking piece of shit so far:+ Show Spoiler + thurs night into Friday I had to do an allnighter. right after I had to go to work from 1pm to 10p and it was fucking busy because some bitch died. Now I have to work today 8 to 8. Also this upcoming week I have 4 finals. QQ over * Dear dp, Can you spam less please? Love, kush * My biggest scumread so far is djodref. I'm not going to make a big case because it's mostly a feel read at this point honestly. what's really going on in this post is he is making it clear that the reason he brought up the witchcraft votes in the first place was because he thought it was something town would do, and he brought it up not because he cared but because he thought it would make him look town. The other part of my suspicion is how he reacted under pressure. in the last game I played with him he was town. There was a similar early bandwagon and he seemed like he didn't really give a shit. This game he responded to the bandwagon very attentively. Making lists and responding to everyone. His vote on hapa looked like a panic vote. * Hapa... I am concerned with this guy. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he has a really good feel for dps meta and has caught scum dp many times. But I found his case on dp really underwhelming and reaching. And then he drops the tunnel because of something he read irc...really? * this game is full of lurkers, but I think most of them are going to get modkilled or replaced. I will vote for a lurker who is avoiding modkill, and right now this includes drazak and threesr. I don't think I am spamming kush. If clarity was in this game I would probably be called out for lurking. Also you are wrong. Hapa has never caught me as scum. and the player with a solid grasp of reading me is Kei. But Hapa's case was trash in comparison to his usual efforts as town. In that we share some concern it seems. | ||
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