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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 17 2012 21:29 GMT
#401
Damn...

I agree with Nisani...

Just damn...
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 17 2012 21:31 GMT
#402
On June 18 2012 06:13 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 05:59 MajuGarzett wrote:
On June 18 2012 02:59 HiroPro wrote:

MajuGarzett:

If you look at MajuGarzett's filter, he's posted several times throughout the game. He's not actually concerned with finding scum, though. He spends almost all of his time asking about what abilities and information you can get from being a member. He doesn't try to determine my alignment; all he's concerned about is what he can gain from joining.

On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort

... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_-

Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going. I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear.

Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB.


      The most telling part of MajuGarzett's filter though is where he responds to xsksc. MajuGarzett doesn't try to analyze the behavior of Nisani or KB. All he does is say "Oh, I don't think the house will help them". He's not interested in making a clear statement on what he thinks about House Chezinu (beyond trying to quietly discredit it). He's posting for the sake of posting.

MajuGarzett isn't scumhunting; he's only concerned about himself. He's scum.



I wasn't just concerned with what I could gain from joining. I was concerned with what anyone could gain from joining. By knowing more about the house it allows for better reads on anyone who allied with or applied to the house.

On the second point by use of extrapolation, we can see that by saying "I can see why they did it" I also meant " I don't find them scummy for wanting an alliance" which is a response to xsksc's question. It wasn't just posting for the sake of posting.


Explain this to me. You first say that by learning more about the house, you can make a better read on anyone. But I didn't give out anything really; so what specifically about their behavior makes you say you don't find them scummy? And those two statements are not the same thing: one is a fairly meaningless buddy-buddy statement, while the other is a clear opinion.


Well I wanted to get info to make reads but obviously that didn't work out. Being bereft of such detailed info, I felt that KB and 201 being curious about the house and wanting to be privy to any resources it had without being roped into anything that could be bad for town wasn't particularly scummy as I felt scum would probably distance themselves from such a shady organization.
FourFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
701 Posts
June 17 2012 21:32 GMT
#403
Something about Hiro bothers me. He said that he would've trolled around for a couple of days if he was scum, but that would've been his ticket to Lynchville wouldn't it?
I don't know, lynch me!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18178 Posts
June 17 2012 21:32 GMT
#404
I don't know who I want to kill yet. So far I have a whole clump of scummy people and a number of people I think are town. That number is currently stuck at 1 1/2.

@Deconduo: how does your setup make sense with people, including myself, having a regular town win condition?

@Talismania: I guess you are claiming you did not get hit and have not been made king?
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 17 2012 21:33 GMT
#405
On June 18 2012 06:32 FourFace wrote:
Something about Hiro bothers me. He said that he would've trolled around for a couple of days if he was scum, but that would've been his ticket to Lynchville wouldn't it?


I troll if I am scum its a pretty good way to escape an early lynch and buy time for your allies / murder everyone
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18178 Posts
June 17 2012 21:34 GMT
#406
On June 18 2012 06:26 Nisani201 wrote:
I'm on my phone so i can't do much right now, but i don't believe talis's claim. Makes it look like he's contributing when really he's just "forcing" everyone else to contribute for him.

I agree. However, I want to see how he uses his claimed power. If he doesn't use it, I vote we lynch the crap out of him.
FourFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
701 Posts
June 17 2012 21:35 GMT
#407
On June 18 2012 06:34 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 06:26 Nisani201 wrote:
I'm on my phone so i can't do much right now, but i don't believe talis's claim. Makes it look like he's contributing when really he's just "forcing" everyone else to contribute for him.

I agree. However, I want to see how he uses his claimed power. If he doesn't use it, I vote we lynch the crap out of him.


Why?! His intentions seem noble. Can you think of anything else that's incriminating him?
I don't know, lynch me!
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 17 2012 21:37 GMT
#408
On June 18 2012 06:35 FourFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 06:34 Acrofales wrote:
On June 18 2012 06:26 Nisani201 wrote:
I'm on my phone so i can't do much right now, but i don't believe talis's claim. Makes it look like he's contributing when really he's just "forcing" everyone else to contribute for him.

I agree. However, I want to see how he uses his claimed power. If he doesn't use it, I vote we lynch the crap out of him.


Why?! His intentions seem noble. Can you think of anything else that's incriminating him?


People love LaL
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 17 2012 21:39 GMT
#409
On June 18 2012 06:32 FourFace wrote:
Something about Hiro bothers me. He said that he would've trolled around for a couple of days if he was scum, but that would've been his ticket to Lynchville wouldn't it?


I don't care if I die as scum if I screw up town discussion for days.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 17 2012 21:42 GMT
#410
deconduo, what do you think about KB and MajuGarzett?
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
June 17 2012 21:43 GMT
#411
Some other points to make:

If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have.

I also don't like the case on Maju
Enjoy your day.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18178 Posts
June 17 2012 21:43 GMT
#412
On June 18 2012 06:35 FourFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 06:34 Acrofales wrote:
On June 18 2012 06:26 Nisani201 wrote:
I'm on my phone so i can't do much right now, but i don't believe talis's claim. Makes it look like he's contributing when really he's just "forcing" everyone else to contribute for him.

I agree. However, I want to see how he uses his claimed power. If he doesn't use it, I vote we lynch the crap out of him.


Why?! His intentions seem noble. Can you think of anything else that's incriminating him?

Woah there cowboy, don't get ahead of yourself. I actually believe Talismania and think he's a (townie) dayvig.

However, hypothetical: Talismania is scum and claims dayvig. He "forces" townies to make cases, most probably on each other, early in D1. He then backpedals with an "I was lying, and am not a dayvig". He then claims he got everybody to contribute with this lie.

I liked HiroPro's play: it served its purpose and got people posting during the night. On D1 town people should be active and posting their thoughts in any case, so a false dayvig claim serves no real town purpose. A truthful dayvig claim seems fine, though. So as long as he ends up shooting someone he'll stay on my list of townish people.
FourFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
701 Posts
June 17 2012 21:44 GMT
#413
Well how would you have done that anyway.. You wouldn't have known who tried to join in the first place (probably no one, evidently) but how exactly would you have kept the illusion of House Chezinu alive without any sort of palpable change like a mason circle or host confirmation or anything? I'm not saying you weren't scumhunting.. I'm not even saying you're anti-town. I just think you lied to us at least twice, that's all.
I don't know, lynch me!
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 17 2012 21:45 GMT
#414
I am claiming dayvig - I will prove it by using my ability. Rest assured of that. All you guys can do is ensure that you're not on the receiving end of my shot - can you win the game while dead? Didn't think so. So post those cases, impressions, or solid game info.

____________

@Acrofales: I was not made king to my knowledge. I did not survive a night hit.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18178 Posts
June 17 2012 21:45 GMT
#415
I am not a big fan of LaL policy lynching (or policy lynching in general (YES, ACE, I SAID THAT).

There is a motive behind lying, always, and I have seen too many situations in which a townie lying was a good thing for town. However, the motive needs to be evaluated. In this case, a false dayvig claim false on the scum side of the line.
FourFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
701 Posts
June 17 2012 21:46 GMT
#416
EBWOP I'm talking to Hiro
I don't know, lynch me!
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 17 2012 21:46 GMT
#417
On June 18 2012 06:45 talismania wrote:
I am claiming dayvig - I will prove it by using my ability. Rest assured of that. All you guys can do is ensure that you're not on the receiving end of my shot - can you win the game while dead? Didn't think so. So post those cases, impressions, or solid game info.

____________

@Acrofales: I was not made king to my knowledge. I did not survive a night hit.


Only third party can't win the game while dead

Are you implying you're third party and think everyone else is?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18178 Posts
June 17 2012 21:47 GMT
#418
On June 18 2012 06:44 FourFace wrote:
Well how would you have done that anyway.. You wouldn't have known who tried to join in the first place (probably no one, evidently) but how exactly would you have kept the illusion of House Chezinu alive without any sort of palpable change like a mason circle or host confirmation or anything? I'm not saying you weren't scumhunting.. I'm not even saying you're anti-town. I just think you lied to us at least twice, that's all.

Stop trying to derail discussion. This is pointless hypothetical and IF you want to discuss it, save it for postgame. I'd rather hear what HiroPro and you have to say about the current game situation!
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 17 2012 21:48 GMT
#419
On June 18 2012 06:47 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 06:44 FourFace wrote:
Well how would you have done that anyway.. You wouldn't have known who tried to join in the first place (probably no one, evidently) but how exactly would you have kept the illusion of House Chezinu alive without any sort of palpable change like a mason circle or host confirmation or anything? I'm not saying you weren't scumhunting.. I'm not even saying you're anti-town. I just think you lied to us at least twice, that's all.

Stop trying to derail discussion. This is pointless hypothetical and IF you want to discuss it, save it for postgame. I'd rather hear what HiroPro and you have to say about the current game situation!


I disagree I want to hear this out
FourFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
701 Posts
June 17 2012 21:49 GMT
#420
On June 18 2012 06:47 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 06:44 FourFace wrote:
Well how would you have done that anyway.. You wouldn't have known who tried to join in the first place (probably no one, evidently) but how exactly would you have kept the illusion of House Chezinu alive without any sort of palpable change like a mason circle or host confirmation or anything? I'm not saying you weren't scumhunting.. I'm not even saying you're anti-town. I just think you lied to us at least twice, that's all.

Stop trying to derail discussion. This is pointless hypothetical and IF you want to discuss it, save it for postgame. I'd rather hear what HiroPro and you have to say about the current game situation!


Which is what.. doubting a day vig claim instead of posting a case on someone like you?
Anyway before this gets out of perspective I'm going to go to bed.
I don't know, lynch me!
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