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ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

September 26 2013 07:40 GMT

#4101

Koshi / Geript history together? Anyone got the 411?

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

September 26 2013 07:42 GMT

#4102

On September 26 2013 16:38 Mocsta wrote:
is the stream of consciousness approach working? or too painful to read?

im making really bad calls this game, which is why im trying to be as transparent as possible.

Essentially I recognise I have been cockblocking ppl too prematurely in some cases. Interesting enough, marv has a presence in both these filters (zaragon/stutters) but in a really good way. DW marv, I will get to your filter eventually; dunno, if the word limit will run out though

Wont be around for the next 6 hrs I guess, but next cab off the rank is Mr.CC. His filter is small, so I might be able to squeeze it out before I head out. Will see.

More from you is helping me gauge my read on you, actually. If our thoughts continue to match up I can feel more confident in my leaning-town on you, so do your thing. I am not giving myself much credit in my read of you as it was for D2.

Mocsta - im waffles to his maple syrup. I don't know what Moc-logic is. I don't think I want to know. Nullllllllll

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

September 26 2013 08:00 GMT

#4103

On September 26 2013 16:12 ObviousOne wrote:

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You voted LM both days and never voted anyone else ever in the history of day one and two
HRMMMMMMMMM GET VOTE ANALYZED BISH

Oops
Day1 was yamato (was looking at stutters in my sheet).
Not much better.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

September 26 2013 08:02 GMT

#4104

Idiots

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

September 26 2013 08:04 GMT

#4105

On September 26 2013 17:02 marvellosity wrote:
Idiots

No downfall parody video?

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

September 26 2013 08:17 GMT

#4106

Stream of consciousness: Mr. Cheesecake

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mr. Cheesecake&view=all

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Opener(s) is trolling. Clearly non-alignment indicative.
First meaningful post I hated this post when i first read it, and still do. But it is a personal thing. The whole "lessons learned" from past game, lets change up this game thing.. I tried that in the newbies and it didnt work. Mr.CC been around for a while, so i dont particularly expect this type of thing. Just reads as a really fancy way to advocate lynching lurkers -> policy lynch.
In fairness, the Geript analysis is an accurate depiction (but is easy to state s either alignment, ESPECIALLY, *IF* geript is town and cc scum).

Thing is, the thoughts do align with mine at the time of writing. Including the Coag callout and WoS suspicion. Will give a leaning town read (despite the want to lynch inactiveS)
LoneMeow Even with flip hindsight, what Cc states is EXACTLY how i felt about lonemeow at the time. I recall this quite clearly. I mean, i know early game, town and scum are both looking for the same thing essentially, so its not out of the question a scum CC thinks like me. BUT.. im going to have to state it as highly unlikely. So far, CC gets town points... I suppose the only issue is that, CC makes this observation but offers no avenue for it to develop into something?
hmmm, that is kinda scummy.. ok, back to null; slight lean town.
post Im not against this post but, for the record, i didnt think it was scummy pandain didnt post at the start. I just thought it was odd. I dont have a problem Cc used the word 'scummy' though; he could genuinely perceive it that wya.
Some general banter. post The comment to lynch stutters is not hard, so if stutters is scum; it means nothing for cc alignment.
post Pressures coag in a jovial way. At least he following through with Coag, its potentially a good sign. I like that he tries to get some insight into Coag, regardless of how generic it is. (Better than anythign stutter did)
pandain defense case Nice answer regarding assuming DP is town. I mean nice as in tricky nice.. tough query. i will treat this as alignment null. I think almost everyone took DP as town after the yelling match.

Overall, case defense is solid; but the case was pretty weak (as CC had commented). So prob null (as not much effort would be required)

I need to be careful with CC, i have recollections of him being jovial in nomination mafia (as scum).
post commenting because OO quote aligns with what i just said above. Case was easy, and CC needs to show more.. this leans town on OO very favourably. (i can't seeing this being a bussing comment)
zaragon pressure OK, so this is teh full context to zaragon. Im going to give this a pass. It doesnt seem malicious. The only reason I *could* call thsi suspect is teh blatant sheeping of OO (who was chasing zaragon). alignment null
post Not sure why "okay with lynching stutters" has a (lol) appended.
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Post I actually like this dont give a fuck attitude... BUT.. its missing justification on why chairman is a fine lynch. I think with thread context, its implied through yamato reasoning; still.. thats a potential sour point. Will still call this null/slight town lean.. Dunno why, i like reading this guy, makes me smile
post hmmm this i dont like. not that ppl can't suspect my town reads.. just.. he never erally came out that he was unsatisfied with his previous discourse with zaragon & didnt list him on his to lynch list before. not sure what to make of this, as it is consistent with prior actions. will give benefit of the doubt.
post Scrap the stuff with zaragon... That actually reads authentic to me, and explains the approach CC has taken to probing zaragon. Its just sniffing out something.. I do think CC is town.
post Tough call, on one hand. the vote on lone aligns with his filter. On the other hand, hes directly influencing the direction of the lynch. Some would call this proactive town OR scum.. Will have to go with null even though it aligns with his filter.
He keeps talkin about aperture. So perhaps his opener was real. He had a reality check in that game, and is trying to do a lessons learned.
postI can see why Cc is after zaragon (noob card). I can easily see someone having that approach just glacning at his filter. Rest of reads are OK.. I think this guy is town

Ran out of time to read full filter; but from first 50%, clearly town. Right attitude, and thoughts align with me.. as in, he is saying things first and i have the same opinion. Thats massive points.

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

September 26 2013 08:18 GMT

#4107

Scum:
Raynpelikoneet: Rayn has been hopelessly complacent and apathetic this game. Town rayn is NEVER like this. Just look at these posts...

On September 26 2013 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv should i vote for ceph?

Since when does rayn ask others whether or not he should do something?

On September 26 2013 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i don't really give a fuck atm. This happens every time and tbh today i'm in bad mood for playing mafia.

He claims apathy. What kind of townie claims to be apathetic?

There are a lot more, but I don't have the patience to quote and post everything at this time of night. I'll get to it in the morning.

Geript:
I've played with scum geript as my teammate in Persona. The amount of fucks he does not give is approximately equal in this game and that game. Any guesses? 0. Zero fucks given. Just read his filter. It's awful. It's useless. It's scum.

Even when he tries to contribute, he does an awful job at it. Here's a post where he fakes contribution.

On September 25 2013 15:36 geript wrote:
Ok so here's where my mind's at. The night kills were super odd in many ways. I'm assuming that the NKs were Yam/BH/Wos; we could make an interesting argument that BH/VA/WoS were the shots and that Coag is actually scum, but I see very little reason to do so there. Yam/BH/WoS isn't awful I guess. but with both VE and Marv in a game I'd fully expect if both of them were town that both of them would be targeted as it's unlikely that both would be medic'd. In the very least I'd expect a doublestack on one of them and then a freebie shot at BH.

Here's the problem that I'm seeing: town got into a shitty place on D1 which is amazing for scum (yes part of that is my fault) and the best priority for scum in this type of situation is to do their best to keep it that way. So the highest priority for scum is not to remove blues but rather to remove people who can bring the thread on track. WoS is ignored half the time despite being a decent player. Yam can bring a thread on track but just as often derail a thread into "No You're scum" posting. Vayne (if he was a scum shot) is intentionally worthless until endgame.

Rather my priority as scum would be to remove active quality players of which the available shots would be: VE, Marv, DP (prior to rage quit), Mocsta, Rayn and a few others. So what's the point in shooting WoS or Yam/Vayne over any of those five. I'm honestly not seeing it. There's a shit ton of scum (6); there's an amazing KP rate (1/2 round up), town seems to be mostly inactive. Where's any sort of benefit of not trying to remove the "get on track" type people to keep the thread in a clusterfucked situation?

I've only seen odd kills like this in two drastically different situations: mostly inactive scum where NKs going through is far more important than anything else and mostly active experienced scum where they need a bit of time to hide before it becomes obvious. I'm not sure that Mattchew is right about Marv, but I really think that we should be taking hard looks at Marv/VE/etc. again because I'd bet that a number of the "pro scummers" are scum.

This is basically the only constructive post in his entire filter. Everything else is just shitflinging at DP or useless ad hominem. I use the term "constructive" very loosely.

It's full of terrible speculation and feels like the thought process one would go through as scum deciding the NKs. I made a post just like this in persona when I was scum and I speculated on NK's to lead town in the wrong direction.

On August 28 2013 02:55 FirmTofu wrote:
Are scum controlling the thread right now? Why are people not even discussing the flip?

Rayn flipped suspicious citizen. Rayn is SAME with Koshi, so Koshi is either scum or SAM. The NK narrows down a ton of possibilities.

So this begs the question, why was rayn killed? Plenty of people were suspicious of rayn; namely Vayne, sn0, and Koshi. Rayn's death revealed a ton of information that town can use to figure out this game. Rayn kill does NOT make sense based on the information we have at hand.

The only remaining possibility is if rayn was pushing a lynch on scum. Enter Sn0. Towards the end of the previous day, Sn0 was being heavily pressured by Rayn. Rayn vowed to push a lynch on Sn0, and lo and behold, he dies at night. Sn0 has been obvious scum the entire game and no one is pressuring him like they should be except Rayn and I.

If we can't consolidate our votes on Sn0, we lose.
##vote: Sn0_man

This is exactly what geript is doing. Look at the similarities in these posts. They're basically the same fucking posts. Drawing attention to NKs(something scum use to deliberately throw people off) in this detached manner is exactly how scum manipulate the thread.

Here's a promise he did not keep.

On September 25 2013 17:50 geript wrote:
Actually moment of insight. Tofu is scum. I'll explain in the morning.

Wait, he thought I was scum, but didn't bother to make a case on me or vote me or do anything to cast suspicion on me? What the flying fuck?

Umasi: Just read my filter and see how his votes randomly changed with no justification throughout the Day. He was here, but he wasn't contributing in any way. Scum.

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

September 26 2013 08:22 GMT

#4108

I have school tomorrow, got to sleep earlier. I'll be back with an expanded cases on rayn, geript, and umasi. For now, look into these three scummers in detail.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

September 26 2013 08:25 GMT

#4109

@Firm where you at on sentinel? I'm in your filter and there's a case in here with his name at the top (haven't read it yet, wanted to get this in here in case you're still reading) but an update would be good.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

September 26 2013 08:25 GMT

#4110

Shit I just missed you.

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

September 26 2013 08:26 GMT

#4111

Food for thought: Koshi and I have both played nearly every recent game that rayn has been in together. We probably can read rayn better than anyone in the thread. I have found scum rayn in the past, namely in I swear 2. Koshi has been extremely good at recognizing when rayn is town. We BOTH have a scumread on rayn in this game. Assuming Koshi is town, this is pretty damning imo.

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

September 26 2013 08:28 GMT

#4112

On September 26 2013 17:25 ObviousOne wrote:
@Firm where you at on sentinel? I'm in your filter and there's a case in here with his name at the top (haven't read it yet, wanted to get this in here in case you're still reading) but an update would be good.

Sentinel, Zaragon, and Risen are low priority for me right now. Still scummy, but not as scummy as these other alternatives. We need to eliminate scum thread presence and leadership. Rayn and geript are probably the strongest scum players so eliminating them is of my utmost priority. I also think Umasi has a higher chance of flipping scum than Sentinel, Zaragon, and Risen.

FirmTofu

United States1956 Posts

September 26 2013 08:29 GMT

#4113

Okay, good night for real now.

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

September 26 2013 08:35 GMT

#4114

above is so bad firmtofu

no way zaragon is scum.

as for your cases, this reads as scum putting distance between each other. the cases are all this feels this this feels that. yet with all that feeling, its barely a meta case, let alone a real case.

same with the geript, u make bold accusations but do not declare why it is from a scum mindset.
I look forward to seeing your rayn case 2.0

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

September 26 2013 08:38 GMT

#4115

p.s. for night actions

to any cops left. please be careful.

we only had 1 rb claim, which suggests the remaining 5 scum are a mix of framer/godfather.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

September 26 2013 08:43 GMT

#4116

oh my god

he even CLAIMED

what the fuck is wrong with you people?