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Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 09 2014 21:26 GMT
#128
I don't like that artanis is content to just play dog. There's no real rush on the day, but whereas you messed around and tried to get other people to mess around (townie), artanis is content to do nothing more than mess around. I don't count the non-me bark as not messing around. He also has 2 brackets in his name, and we have 2 scum.
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 09 2014 21:27 GMT
#129
If i'm the only person outside the machine, we win. You guys drive off a cliff, 1 townie and no scum left, gee gee.
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 09 2014 21:39 GMT
#131
Townies absolutely let other townies die. Never seen a game where every townie ragequits the moment any townie dies.
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 09 2014 21:43 GMT
#132
Anyway, disregard my silly comment and your silly comment and my silly response.

I'm serious about my artanis comment. He's a good player, and here he's content to sit back and dog it up. Assuming you had ANY kind of goal with your scooby stuff, he is a person playing along but not really doing anything at all. Does this not rustle your jimmies?
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 09 2014 21:50 GMT
#135
He's also yet to hump ANYONE'S leg. Pure scumtell.
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 09 2014 22:08 GMT
#137
(p.s. rayn also came off looking like someone happy to play scooby doo but not move forwards at all. He did join the gang first, though)
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 09 2014 22:38 GMT
#141
On January 10 2014 07:28 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 06:26 Giggletummy wrote:
I don't like that artanis is content to just play dog. There's no real rush on the day, but whereas you messed around and tried to get other people to mess around (townie), artanis is content to do nothing more than mess around. I don't count the non-me bark as not messing around. He also has 2 brackets in his name, and we have 2 scum.


After this post you joke around some more with HolyFlare who still hasn't given a read despite me pinging him.

Artanis actually gave a scum read (or at least, that's what I read into his barking at Derrida as) that I agree with. At least he's playing the game while trolling. HolyFlare is still trying to recruit people into his mysteryvan. How do you read Artanis scummy over HolyFlare and Derrida?
Cuz HolyFlare came into the game and made a spectacle of himself. For a couple hours into the game, that's still going to be townie for me.

Artanis DID do a little read-giving, which I like more than what rayn has done. But I don't view him barking and whatnot as determinative of anything. His more recent post looks better.

Derrida sounds like Doritos.
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 09 2014 23:58 GMT
#157
None of the choose your own adventure books I ever read had "shit yourself" as an option. Kid me woulda picked the same ending every time.
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 10 2014 00:00 GMT
#159
mocsta, any comment on the derrida suspicions?
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 10 2014 00:07 GMT
#163
That's x-1. Would prefer someone pulled a vote off until Derrida has at least responded to things.
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 10 2014 00:14 GMT
#169
7 people. Artanis, GG, and you were voting him. That's 3, and majority is 4.
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 10 2014 18:16 GMT
#315
@HF

On January 10 2014 20:59 Holyflare wrote:
Why is everyone assuming that scooby doo is ANTI-town? It helps me figure out alignments, it has generated A LOT of discussion over it for analysis and you can all have fun in the process! That is the most pro town thing that can be done. You also quite clearly have not read this game up to date if you think it has wasted any time at all, coupled with the fact that you think I haven't been participating my previous read on you is rapidly dwindling.
It's not an assumption. I personally find all the extra fluff to be anti-town. It adds pages, provides things to do for people that aren't scumhunting (even if you are using it for a purpose), and it fluffs your filter up. It also encourages rayn to add fluff now too. Regardless of what posting scooby doo stuff does for you, it has an effect on the rest of the thread, and it may not be helpful for everyone. Let alone the fact that people aren't "assuming" your scooby doo stuff to be anti-town, some people just think it is. Not an assumption, an opinion. For instance, I think it's anti-town right now.

I would be gathering A LOT more information from people playing scooby doo if they actually played along instead of criticising it. I have already gained much information based on responses though so it has most definitely had a net benefit.
For instance, this is your opinion. You would be in a better spot if people played along. But other people may disagree. They're not assuming differently, they're not necessarily scummy for disagreeing, you are both assuming different things.

@everyone that isn't HF, #HF

On January 10 2014 21:16 Holyflare wrote:
I know you're new and are learning the ropes but a connection theory between 2 unflipped players is generally regarded as really bad in the community as you are basing your entire read on unknown information. So when you come back saying that I am your scum read so there has to be a scum who take takes the opposite stance to me is verging on the crazy. You can't possibly know that UNLESS 1 of the scum is actually taking a stance against me and you are using that information for your attack on me.
On January 10 2014 21:20 Derrida wrote:
Jesus, I have read your god damn filter.

Show nested quote +
Mocsta seems very buddy buddy with giggle, weirdly so.


Show nested quote +
I can see a team of Giggle/Mocsta/Templar (obviously eliminating one) although judged on exp of mafia games (I don't think i've seen templar play?) he looks more tunelled than anything else and also seems confused about the implications of the setup whereas Mocsta definitely knows better. At an early stage such as now a Giggle/Mocsta team is looking mighty plausible.


This is not analysis, this is just babbling. Do you honestly expect two scums to act like buddies at the start of the game? I don't think anyone can be this naive, you are just swinging wild accusations based on what? "exp of mafia games"? what does that even mean? Please provide clear and logical analysis before accusing people of not reading the game.

*goes into a pet shop, buys scooby snacks and a clicker*
*friendly rhinoceros noises*

Holyflare attacks derrida for drawing conclusions between unflipped players. Holyflare has been drawing conclusions between unflipped players. Derrida does not turn hard on this and bop HF, but it's there.

I don't care who you are; that's scummy right there.
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 10 2014 18:16 GMT
#316
@ggtemplar

On January 10 2014 17:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
First, I made an educated guess about his intentions when I scumread him. Under the assumption that HolyFlare is scum, I think my guess about his intentions made perfect sense.
This is a poor way to scumhunt, and is going to lead you down a lot of wrong paths. You can assume anyone is scum and find reasons that their actions are then scummy. If you're mafia, it's how you make decent-sounding scum reads. If you're town, it's how you tunnel, often incorrectly. It's not at all a good way to get scumreads, because if you're town you're doing exactly what mafia would like to be doing, and you're starting with someone being scum and then finding actions, rather than using actions to find someone scummy in the first place.

On January 10 2014 17:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Second, I pointed out before I don't care if people are going to troll as long as they are going to give concrete reads and play the game as well (hence why I actually approved of Artanis even though he was acting like a dog - he gave a solid scumread that lined up with my thoughts and quoted the same post I had issue with, even going so far as bolding the significant portion of the quote).
Artanis's initial scumread is this:
On January 10 2014 05:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote:
^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?

*barks aggressively*
to which you responded
On January 10 2014 05:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I like Artanis because I think he just sniffed out the second scum.

I'll be back in a few hours.
Are you saying that you considered artanis's initial barking a concrete/solid scumread? Are you saying you presented your thoughts on derrida? Or does the bolded bit of your later quote only apply to later posts? Would like to see you back this bit up.


Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 10 2014 18:17 GMT
#317
@Artanis
Here boy. Here boy! Sniff this!
On January 10 2014 17:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Second, I pointed out before I don't care if people are going to troll as long as they are going to give concrete reads and play the game as well (hence why I actually approved of Artanis even though he was acting like a dog - he gave a solid scumread that lined up with my thoughts and quoted the same post I had issue with, even going so far as bolding the significant portion of the quote).


Now don't respond right now, wait until GG gets a chance to reply. But hold onto that scent and let me know what it smelled like and what the response smells like once made.
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 10 2014 18:26 GMT
#321
On January 11 2014 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you show me what parts of my posts are fluff? My big post was purely directed to Derrida because he obviously was doing something dumb. And no, there is no way he is mafia, you can take my word for it.
The entirety of page 1 of your filter.

And at least this post, which was your first real post.
On January 10 2014 16:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why i think GGTeMpLaR is mafia:

These posts:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.

Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.


Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.

The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.

+ Show Spoiler +
/mysterymachine

First of all, he is accusing Holyflare of promoting shitting up the thread. This is a completely inaccurate accusation. Holyflare's intentions are still unclear, so him doing what he did is a null-tell.

Second, nobody is forced to play along with Holyflare's Scooby-doo game if they do not want to. But GGTeMpLaR himself enters the van. He is himself promoting the "shitting up the thread" that Holyflare can't possibly stop because Holyflare is not responsible for other people's actions.


- GGTeMpLaR calls Holyflare scummy for shitting up the thread -> but the joins the shitting up the thread instead of stopping him.
- GGTeMpLaR says Holyflare is responsible for shitting up the thread when nobody is forced to play the game. If someone is responsible for shitting up the thread it's all the people who +1 Holyflare's game, not Holyflare.

- Both of above are incorrect logic and looks like GGTeMpLaR is just trying to find an easy target rather than find people's motives behind their actions.
In bold, you make two points. No intervening text, and then in italics, you make the same exact two points again.

On January 11 2014 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Giggletummy i find it funny you say this:
Show nested quote +
I personally find all the extra fluff to be anti-town. It adds pages, provides things to do for people that aren't scumhunting (even if you are using it for a purpose), and it fluffs your filter up.

Take a look at your own filter at the start of the game.
Do you want to stand behind this statement?
100%

Ask me if every statement I've ever made in this game is pro-town.



Your other suspicions of players aren't as fluffy as this, but filling out your reads with repetitive comments is a nice way to make it look like your filter is more productive than it is.
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 10 2014 18:31 GMT
#324
On January 11 2014 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also where has Holyflre done pre-flip association reads?
Could you show me those?
On January 10 2014 17:52 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 17:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I didn't read his opening post as town at all. This is actually my second forum game too but you didn't see me trying to use that to gain favor in my intro post, I actually started trying to find scum. I still think Derrida is likely scum until he responds to my concerns or provides something that reads more town to me.

I really don't like my arguments being misrepresented by either you or HolyFlare, but I still think the way HolyFlare reacted to my pressure read more townie than the way a mafia might react.

I will say that I think HolyFlare's logic for why he is confirmed town for getting to L-1 is circumstantial evidence in my opinion. Three people scumread him and three people had nothing to say about him. I don't think that in-of-itself reads anything but null.


There is nothing circumstantial whatsoever. My alignment is confirmed to myself (and others if they read the game(s)) and so I can remove myself from the equation.

There is not a chance in sweet sweet hell that a bus occurs that fast into the day based on the same evidence appearing from every person on that wagon with such little filter from a person. No credit would be gained and they lose a potential ally. So either he is scum in which case rayn or giggletummy are mafia (something that doesn't seem that likely so far) or he is town (which is much much more probable) and by process of elimination at least 1 mafia are in the group of Templar, Artanis and Mocsta.
Not full association, but assuming there's no early bus and saying if Derrida is mafia then rayn or I are mafia, or if he is town then Templar/Artanis/Mocsta is mafia. Association based on votes, which is more concrete but is still drawing conclusions on assumptions and also setting out big, unhelpful groups of people.

On January 10 2014 18:28 Holyflare wrote:
IML is instant majority lynch (which this game is). When a person reaches a majority that person is INSTANTLY LYNCHED. Thus it is extremely dangerous to leave your votes on people if you do not have full information on them yet.

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare who's Giggletummy's scumbuddy?
Mocsta soft-bussing? Seems good to you?


Mocsta seems very buddy buddy with giggle, weirdly so. A lot of people were around (yes a lot of it was scooby related at the time) but he took his time out from trolling to only address Giggle posts. I like to think Mocsta has a longing crush on giggle too, evidence can be found:

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote:
But you aren't the medic.

*goes off to cry in a corner*

@Giggly/WoS
Where'd ya go?



He only addresses people that he knows (me and artanis etc) with heuristics from voice games (yes, elements of trolling etc etc) but doesn't attempt to involve us in discussion either in favour of discussion with giggle (who I've just proven to be... not so towny looking).

I don't like mocsta's vote either (was it L-1 or L-2??) he gets frustrated in voice games when people start voting so fast and he should know not to do it in a forum game without discussion especially as there is ample time to discuss. His case was also very lackluster.
This is, to a decent extent, drawing an association between you and I.

On January 10 2014 18:32 Holyflare wrote:
I can see a team of Giggle/Mocsta/Templar (obviously eliminating one) although judged on exp of mafia games (I don't think i've seen templar play?) he looks more tunelled than anything else and also seems confused about the implications of the setup whereas Mocsta definitely knows better. At an early stage such as now a Giggle/Mocsta team is looking mighty plausible.
Again, mocsta and I are mafia, and it seems that a decent proportion of his suspicion is because mocsta responds to my posts.



Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 10 2014 18:32 GMT
#325
On January 11 2014 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My ratio is something like 17/65.
Which is better?

It's not the size of the ratio rayn, it's how you use it. You should know that <_<
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 10 2014 18:36 GMT
#327
On January 11 2014 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well my associations are that 2 of you/Mocsta/Artanis are scum because other people are town.
dealwithit.

none of you three is making better posts than two other and you all fail to give your reads on the other two.
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Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 10 2014 18:39 GMT
#329
The game is already solved. We just need to convince cora to let us see the solution.
Giggletummy
Profile Joined April 2013
Pitcairn200 Posts
January 10 2014 18:42 GMT
#331
On January 11 2014 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare who uses the " <_< " smiley? I know i have seen it recently but can't remember who it is.
Me. It's the official national smiley of Pitcairn.
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