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On October 17 2013 16:48 Pandain wrote:
What's yours?.
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I don't see him lying about being a self aware miller, however, I've heard stories of his claims so that's always in the back of my mind. That being said what he has posted has been somewhat constructive to generating discussion. What he's said is what he thinks is in the best interest for us.
He seems to speak his mind and question whatever he thinks isn't right, as shown by his LastArgument call out and quizzing on others. By no means is he towny yet, but he also isn't scummy.
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Let me re-read LA quickly
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On October 17 2013 17:11 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 15:15 Holyflare wrote:
Also mocsta etc. Why did you leave so much out in your first post??? ?
I was adding to my previous post.
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On October 17 2013 17:13 yamato77 wrote:Because he doesn't have any reads, because he's mafia? It's my impression that LA is a relatively new player and he could very well be using the setup as an excuse to look active when he has a difficult time actually posting as mafia. I know I do that.
Ah, didn't see his post count. All I can really decipher in terms of motive from his posts are that he really wants us to reveal which players are in which houses. People have already done that but I don't see any logical reason why we would need to withold or reveal that information, unless there are roles which require it? Definitely doesn't warrant so much talking about.
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I have a distaste for koshi :/ Apparently it's really obvious when he's playing town or scum but I never see it, it's always spam to me. As for rayn I've only played 1 game with him and he was scum, I would be confident identifying his traits if he displayed them though.
In terms of their posts so far. Toad was being aggressive on Skan and koshi jumped all over him after that, seemed a bit overloaded over something so small. Skan made sense for one or two of his points but there was still a lot of pointless nitpicking going on, on koshi's end.
He kinda went absent after that so not sure if he was around for the rest of the conversations but Skan is also new so his responses are of course going to be flustered, would have assumed koshi would look at something like that instead of being so biased.
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The more I read his filter the more it looks like "let's jump this guy", "oh it's fading away, next topic, bye!"
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Do QT's count as activity???
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Storr is adament on sn0, but he makes good points in the QT so I'm alright with him at the moment. Otherwise it's pretty dead. Catching up with the thread right now so will get to the bottom of some things. Anyway, I wanted to know if QT counts as activity because the people voting for Cephiro are voting on someone who has literally posted nothing in the thread at all.
I am also confused by Toad's vote:
On October 18 2013 04:36 I-be-Pro wrote:I like the Cephiro vote. Guy is usually a really quircky ##grab tornado-guy who's funny and all that shit. Not the most collected guy, certainly can't handle being mafia and is overwhelmed by it everytime I saw him play mafia either in IRC or in here. He usually was overwhelmed as town as well, he's posting a bunch more and doesn't make a lot of sense as town as well but I don't see that yet. Not enough Show nested quote +wtf, my Toad-check came back as "I AM YOUR FATHER", he must be mafia because that's a common mafia role" ##vote Ceph
Cephiro is overwhelmed as both alignments but he's more sure that he is leaning scum over other people in the thread that have actively posted and interacted with other people? At the current rate he's going he will be warned/killed because he doesn't meet activity requirements. It seems like an easy place to park a vote.
Also, if a role inhibits you for voting people you actually thought could be scum then why would that be any different for Cephiro??
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On October 18 2013 05:43 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 05:41 Pandain wrote:So you've read thread but have no scum reads.  (in mafia game not irl) Furthermore, if you think Mocsta is town and he says what will be the logical thing trying to prevent future confusion if he's checked, then you will still policy lynch him, correct? Because that's the only result I can see from this coming, and you still wanted to lynch him. Where did I say I've read the thread? And no, I want to have a conversation with him.
So is that the only thing you're going to do day 1? Imply you haven't read the rest of the thread and wait for mocsta to come for a conversation? Why not contribute a bit on other people and develop some scum reads, there are more than 1 after all.
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People seem to be flailing like fish right now. I do not know why.
People are defending "slow" players too like it's their god given right to stay in the game. This IMO is utter shit play. You can sit on reads like Palmar to day 3 only to find out he was actually scum all you want, but I will not do it. It does not prove he is town to me and if he continues playing like that during day 1 my vote could most definitely end up on him. Meta works, to an extent, but slow play meta is something I despise.
That being said I want to steer this town in the correct direction so some of you people can actually pull your fingers out of your arses and we can win the game.
SO;
Palmar
+ Show Spoiler +This guy..... Yeh, great, he's a veteran. He is also in my house QT. Does that excuse him from playing the same game as we are playing? No. On October 17 2013 23:27 Palmar wrote:
@Mocsta: Why did you claim the self-aware miller? What's the point? What did you hope to achieve? This is literally the only question he asks in the entire thread so far, it's been a while too. Sure, Mocsta hasn't replied yet, so you'd think he'd be doing something more productive at this point. How can it be possible for us to determine what role he is if he doesn't say a thing in the entire thread other than he's waiting for mocsta. Furthermore, + Show Spoiler +On October 18 2013 05:43 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 05:41 Pandain wrote:So you've read thread but have no scum reads. (in mafia game not irl) Furthermore, if you think Mocsta is town and he says what will be the logical thing trying to prevent future confusion if he's checked, then you will still policy lynch him, correct? Because that's the only result I can see from this coming, and you still wanted to lynch him. Where did I say I've read the thread? And no, I want to have a conversation with him. . Implying that he has read no further in the thread, after all, you all soft defend him to stay in the game till later so why does he need to make any more effort now? There are 6 scum. Maybe he's found 1 of them. He could be doing SO much more to help us win this game than waiting for 1 person to return to answer a question. What if he returns and the answer was adequate but then it's too late for him to read up anymore?? Mocsta has posted much more then a self-aware miller claim. Surely it would be nice to hear about that too? Or anyone else? I am most comfortable lynching him today. Call it policy, call it scummy behaviour, call it what you will. This is a game where you contribute so that we can determine who you are. Riding through days does not do this.
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+ Show Spoiler +Did not honestly realise this guy was in the game until I re-checked the thread. What can I say? 4 total posts in the entire game so far and the only one that really counts is: On October 18 2013 03:22 Stutters695 wrote:
Last time I played with Palmar was YANMM or LX or some big game where he argued really strongly in favor of policy lynching a claimed SAM in similar circumstances as town.
I'd like to see him contribute more, but as of now, I think his frustration is genuine. This defence on Palmer who has literally done nothing in the entire game so far other than question Mocsta on a miller claim is a bit odd to say the least. Why would you specifically mention Palmer over everyone else in the game so far? There are a LOT of pages to go by but he only mentions a bit of meta from another game. It's ok though, he justifies things: On October 18 2013 03:56 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 03:25 LastArgument wrote:On October 18 2013 03:22 Stutters695 wrote:
Last time I played with Palmar was YANMM or LX or some big game where he argued really strongly in favor of policy lynching a claimed SAM in similar circumstances as town.
I'd like to see him contribute more, but as of now, I think his frustration is genuine. Um, how would you expect him to behave as mafia in this situation? As far as I remember I've never seen him roll scum/read a game where he is, but I would expect more out of him in line with emulating his usual play. If he was lazy in his last scum game I'm probably off on this, but off of memory he spent most of d1 in that game I'm talking about just crying for a policy lynch on whoever claimed. Basically I don't have faith he'll flip scum based off of this, but I'll follow up on it next time I get to a pc to browse older games. He's never seen a Palmer scum game, he's basing meta off one town game when he has no idea how he'd react as another faction. This seems overly defensive, it looks like he knows his alignment. Either way, he's not talking about other things, he's not active. Comfortable with this lynch too.
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+ Show Spoiler +Yes, storrzerg makes sense, even if he is looking tunnely in the thread. In the QT at least it's a bit of a different story. This was storr's caseThe only thing I add to it that was criticised by Ceph is evidence. This is his desert mini mafia filter he was town in this game and at least posted quite a lot. His posts were informative and had elements of scum hunting. Definitely different from this game due to activity, even his first few posts aren't really the same.
There are a lot of people in this game, a lot of filters to dive through. I've been reading and re-reading but there is nothing blatantly scummy that I can wholeheartedly see yet. There are one or two suspicions I have that I want to see played out and I will be pressing some people over things later, but for now one of these 3 I will be comfortable lynching. Stutters, I will give the benefit of the doubt to as he said he will be reaching a PC. Sn0 or Palmar are therefore my choices. I want to hear their responses before I confirm my vote direction though.
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While I'm all for jokes, can we discuss the actual game? What do you think of the 3 people I listed? Have you anything/anyone to add to that?
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On October 18 2013 10:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
So HF (or anyone else) what do you make of Cephiro making one post here and 7 posts in our house QT explaining why he has not posted or why he posted what he did or what he is about to post next?
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I have no idea about his meta, what he posted made sense though but it has most definitely not vindicated himself from a potential lynch. He is one of the people that I want to hear more from. Applying pressure to people where it's needed and such, otherwise he'll go right back to where he was before.
On October 18 2013 10:17 Grackaroni wrote:
This is how I view your scum reads Stutters/Palmar/Sn0 Man:
Lurker 1, Lurker 2 and Lurker 3
Sn0 Man I have no clue.
Stutters I don't like because he has 2 posts, 1 defending Palmar for genuine frustration. (What frustration??) and another saying that he's not scum because his play would look more like his town meta (it normally doesn't) but I don't know if that makes him scum.
Palmar I like lynching because he enjoys scumhunting, not being scum and he doesn't care about this game. I would think if this was his first town game in a while he would have more enthusiasm to play.
If you have better ideas for a lynch, I'm all ears. Lurkers will be lurkers and you will not discover anything about them because of it, they will forever remain in the darkness until they are lynched or contribute - which by then could be too late.
On October 18 2013 10:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
Huh Cephiro looked like a good lynch too oh well.
Anybody who thinks storrzerg's arguments have merit aren't reading I dont think. Mostly because storrzerg doesn't have arguments. Its literally "I think sno's scum who is with me? *biblethump*" recently spiced up with "well he's now afk certain scum" or something.
Wish I had good thoughts on who is actually scum instead of dumb. I could lynch palmar maybe. I'll be around for a bit maybe tonight and the 6 hours preceeding the lynch.
Welcome back. While storr is definitely making the most biased tunnely cases I've seen, they made sense because of your lack of activity, so you weren't helping yourself. What are your takes on things? What about the 2 other lynchable players I mentioned (Palmar and stutters?) I know you said you could lynch palmar but what would YOUR reasons be? You also mentioned your townreads being: LA/Toad/ET/SS. What makes the others (you've explained ET now, towny)?
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@ET: Your case relied upon him apologising a lot, however, all you have to do is check the TL mafia database and look at his previous games.
I have checked almost all of them and then did a ctrl+f search for "sorry", it appears in EVERY game many times. So I do not think it is alignment indicative for Onegu, especially to base a whole case off of.
+ Show Spoiler [Onegu] +
However, since that case, Onegu has indeed not posted much and so I'll probably add him to my Palmar/Stutters/Sn0 lynchables for now.
What I do actually want to point out though is:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 18 2013 11:03 EchelonTee wrote:Looks like I misread the deadline and will have plenty of time to analyze things. Will be home and in it in around 4 hours. @pandain I stated that people should spend more time in thread than in QT and articulated my reasoning behind this with examples and logic; and your response is that this is "bad". Really. If you have more reasoning behind your view then by all means argue with me, but calling me red for this is just laughable. You making me out to be afraid to talk to a small enclosed group is absolutely hilarious btw; if I was scum I would love to mess with the minds of a small group. Just ask Mattchew about when I got him to completely out his role, Palmar's role, and what their actions were going to be. Or when I convinced Meapak_Ziphh I was town and got him to share with me all of town's votes. Whether I'm town or scum I argue with people who come at me with terrible logic; read my past games and you'll see. Besides, your logic here is absolutely terrible. There is no "confirming" a QT; even with detective type classes there are always framers and the like. Even with deaths in a house, you can't confirm if the rest are town or not. Your continued comments on me as a suspect with this weak-as-hell basis is disturbing, to say the least. Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 01:38 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Oh i forgot something.
EchelonTree - Why makes you say this game is heavily roled? Much scum roles you guys got?
-rayn This is a fucking Harry Potter themed game. If we're all squibs then I should've just signed up for competitive tic-tac-toe.
Why has no one commented on my Onegu case? He's gone completely black since posting 3 weakass posts and hasn't even responded to me. Screams scum much more than anyone else at this point; putting my vote on him. Will make deeper analysis when I'm back. ##Vote: Onegu Nice scum/town slip.
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Rayn, for Ceph, he did both in his 1 post. He explained and pointed out targets that he thought were scum. Isn't that just a confusion of the two traits you said he displayed as both factions?
More importantly, has he been active in the QT since his big post?
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That is properly strange, he has no idea if scum are in his QT or not, there are only a few players in there compared to the thread. Why would he elaborate to just you guys? That either portrays that he is scum and is confident that none of you are and so can freely speak about feels or .........? Can't think of any other reason at all.
Also, why only elaborate on a few other reads? He had a whole list of other ones (including you in there) that he said he would mention at another time.
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On October 18 2013 12:18 Pandain wrote:
Holy vote Palmar with me until he starts to contribute.
Holy, who are your town reads.
You say you will pressure people later, why not pressure them now and lay out the questions so we can see what you're thinking?
Anything interesting from your QT?
I don't think it would add any pressure, just want to hear what he says first before I place my vote.
It's obvious if I mention things out of the blue. Would rather communicate with said person throwing out ideas. Looks much more natural so that person would be less defensive and a better environment to scum hunt.
We stalked LA's steam and facebook.
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Mattchew, you say stutters is a townread for you? He's posted almost nothing. What makes you say towny?
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Town is suffering from a "which lurker do we kill" scenario.
I agree with your calls though Mocsta, mattchew has been buddy buddying up to people in QT/thread, without giving proper reads, seems to be on the defensive a lot. I haven't checked his meta or whatever to see what he normally does but I'd expect some scum reads at least at this stage in the game. A lot has happened after all.
Zaragon/BH, well it's BH's birthday or whatever so it's expected afking but that shouldn't be an excuse either. Your meta points about Zara also are noteworthy, I will investigate for myself. On the flipside BH posts normally contain content and I have reads on him so I would prefer to say, keep him in over other lurkers. i.e. Onegu, Palmar (depends on reactions), Stutters, Sn0 (potentially), Tunkeg???????
Onegu's apologetic posts were already said to be alignment neutral, he says sorry in all factions. However, his posting has been inexcusable since then. Matt has expressed that Onegu's posts (despite lacking) contain what he thinks to be town orientated meta for Onegu. I find it hard to determine based on the meta I've read and what he's posted though, need some actual content. Lynchworthy if posting doesn't seriously pick up.
Anyway, Mocsta. There are a myriad of choices for lynching into lurkers that I'd be comfortable with. What I want to know though is your take on the Cephiro situation. He has posted one post in this entire thread - that yes - had content, however, rayn has been mentioning that he's been posting in the QT a lot more and also gave some compelling reasons for a scum Cephiro.
His post here: Click me!.
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On October 18 2013 14:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
as input from another gryffindor I wouldn't feel comfortable lynching cephiro yet. He needs to explain his scum reads and a few other things before his alignment can be discerned.
What do you think about rayn's post on him then? Why so much hidden activity?
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