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On May 27 2011 16:47 Zerste wrote:
There's no such thing as too much security. Apparently I had not enough. Of course there is. If you cut your cord from the internet, turn off your computer and lock it inside a safe. You'll probably won't get a virus. But then you won't be free to use your computer however you'd want.
If you use an authenticator you're safe enough. Not doing anything stupid like not opening a porn.exe attachment on an email or not browsing with IE6 on outdated Flash. That will give you much more protection than the negligable layer of protection that an antivirus and firewall will give you.
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On May 27 2011 17:06 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 16:47 Zerste wrote:
There's no such thing as too much security. Apparently I had not enough. Of course there is. If you cut your cord from the internet, turn off your computer and lock it inside a safe. You'll probably won't get a virus. But then you won't be free to use your computer however you'd want. If you use an authenticator you're safe enough. Not doing anything stupid like not opening a porn.exe attachment on an email or not browsing with IE6 on outdated Flash. That will give you much more protection than the negligable layer of protection that an antivirus and firewall will give you.
Well I certainly don't do anything you've said above, and yet I still had a single point of failure in my e-mail password. If I had had the 2 step verification in place before this happened, I would have gotten a useless text and not much else.
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On May 27 2011 16:51 ShadowDrgn wrote:The problem with anti-virus software is that it takes up resources, gives users a false sense of security, and flags false positives. You're plenty safe just by updating your programs and avoiding shady websites. I don't believe there's ever been a virus that exploited an unknown/unpatched vulnerability without the user's stupidity that would have been caught by anti-virus software. The only virus I've gotten in the last 10 years was when Razer's site got hacked on the same weekend as I got a new keyboard and the hacker put viruses in all the driver downloads. Anti-virus would have warned me about that I guess, but I probably would have thought it was wrong and installed anyway. 
I used to think like this. Then at the company I work every computer got infected with a worm and a ton of viruses because our manager thought like this too, and figured it would be cheaper with no anti-virus. We've been busy for 3 weeks, back-ups could not be used, all user accounts were being blocked constantly so we had to manually re-enable them, sometimes every 5 minutes. It took a lot of work and a lot of time to get things back on track. Ever since, we run anti virus software.
After that we had to scan every USB device too, and we had to set up instructions for users to scan their home pc too to prevent reinfection.
It's no fun, believe me.
The funny thing? Once we installed anti-virus everywhere, the anti-virus picked the virus up right away. We could easily remove the virus, now we only had to install the anti-virus on around 500 working stations spread all over the country. If we would have it installed before, it would have been just 1 popup with a warning, instead of 3 weeks of hard work, lost time that co-workers couldn't work, lost time the IT department couldn't work and generally just lots of money.
So please, for the love of god, just install an anti-virus program, because you underestimate the problems viruses can cause. Even if it's just your own pc, you basically need to reinstall your operating system, because some malicious software goes so deep into your operating system once its been installed, a virus scanner installed after infection can't completely kill it.
And then I'm not even talking about somebody installing some sneaky program that logs all your keys while you enter your credit numbers or do other sensitive stuff like that. The worst part is, without anti-virus, there can be such programs, without you knowing it. That is no fun, especially when your bank account is hacked.
Please, please, please just install a virus scanner.
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On May 27 2011 17:10 Zerste wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 17:06 VIB wrote:On May 27 2011 16:47 Zerste wrote:
There's no such thing as too much security. Apparently I had not enough. Of course there is. If you cut your cord from the internet, turn off your computer and lock it inside a safe. You'll probably won't get a virus. But then you won't be free to use your computer however you'd want. If you use an authenticator you're safe enough. Not doing anything stupid like not opening a porn.exe attachment on an email or not browsing with IE6 on outdated Flash. That will give you much more protection than the negligable layer of protection that an antivirus and firewall will give you. Well I certainly don't do anything you've said above, and yet I still had a single point of failure in my e-mail password. If I had had the 2 step verification in place before this happened, I would have gotten a useless text and not much else. That's all that I'm saying, just use the authenticator and you'll be infinite times safer than with an anti-virus  The 2 step sign up is pretty safe and efficient. Anti-virus are not.
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On May 27 2011 17:15 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 17:10 Zerste wrote:On May 27 2011 17:06 VIB wrote:On May 27 2011 16:47 Zerste wrote:
There's no such thing as too much security. Apparently I had not enough. Of course there is. If you cut your cord from the internet, turn off your computer and lock it inside a safe. You'll probably won't get a virus. But then you won't be free to use your computer however you'd want. If you use an authenticator you're safe enough. Not doing anything stupid like not opening a porn.exe attachment on an email or not browsing with IE6 on outdated Flash. That will give you much more protection than the negligable layer of protection that an antivirus and firewall will give you. Well I certainly don't do anything you've said above, and yet I still had a single point of failure in my e-mail password. If I had had the 2 step verification in place before this happened, I would have gotten a useless text and not much else. That's all that I'm saying, just use the authenticator and you'll be infinite times safer than with an anti-virus The 2 step sign up is pretty safe and efficient. Anti-virus are not.
My roommate and my girlfriend are also free to use my computer at any time. I turn it off when I'm done, but I don't require a login because I don't need to explain to them the password 40 times. I have the AV there just in case. Also, I just built this computer, so I'm not too worried about resource usage.
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I got my main account hacked a month ago. It had basically everything important. I didn't think I would get my account hacked but I did. Learned from my mistake and went with the 2-step verification thing.
Thing is, google can't really go above and beyond to get your account back since it is not a paid service. Although they have a form you can fill to try and get your account back, but the chances that you would are slim.
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Well, Artosis said Nestea has IQ of 1000, maybe it was him that attacked you from Seoul, Korea? :D
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I have learnt my lesson after having my account compromised twice. Got 2 step authentication in place which hopefully keeps me safe enough.
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I honestly don't know how people get viruses.. and why they have anti-virus software to begin with.
Chrome/Firefox protect you from browser viruses and everything else is your own fault. I don't need norton slowing down my computer, I just avoid downloading obscure music torrents with 0 comments and 4 seeds.
Whoever made anti-virus is a genius.. every computer illiterate person in the world uses it now.
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I was hacked by someone from Seoul South-Korea too a few weeks back. 3 anti virus programs found nothing, I basically only use that PW for battle.net and gomtv.net/TL. Is it possible someone broke into either of those databases?
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On May 31 2011 23:59 Serelitz wrote:
I was hacked by someone from Seoul South-Korea too a few weeks back. 3 anti virus programs found nothing, I basically only use that PW for battle.net and gomtv.net/TL. Is it possible someone broke into either of those databases?
Similar to this, a few weeks ago I had my main email address and a spam one hacked at the same time. The 'security question' was reset to some language (Korean or Chinese) that I didn't understand at all. I certainly didn't set it to those characters, and had to Google translate it and it said 'Favourite historical figure' and I was like 'whaaaaat?'
Horrible thing is after sending in the help form to Hotmail, answering so many questions and putting as much info as I possibly could (including listing dates of a good number of emails, subjects and some of their content) they said 'We cannot verify you, stranger. Piss off'.
Surely some Korean or Chinese hacker twat logging in with a totally different IP address in a totally different country should alert them to the fact its not me? Perhaps someone logging in on a new IP never used before in a country I've never logged into that account on ever, changing passwords, changing contact details, security questions etc AND language settings suddenly all at once SHOULD flag as dodgy to them?
No, perfectly fine and I am apparently not who I say I am. Twats!
Needless to say I signed up to a gmail account after having my hotmail one uneventfully for about 9 years. Sod them.
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