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strongandbig
The vt claim stuff... eh i didn't really get a read either way on that. I interpreted that claim post as more of a joke than a hidden roleclaim. I'm suspicious of how he voted with not much of an explanation.... but then reading how fast and easily a strongandbig bandwagon immediately formed makes me even more suspicious of the bandwagon. We are like 4 hours in or something and there is already a bandwagon and 4 votes for a player. I've never seen anyone other than kushm4sta attract that many votes that early and actually flip red.
Posts like this one.....
On November 13 2012 11:10 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:03 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv
Let us into your mind a little bit - any thoughts/suspicions thusfar? not a lot worth sharing. I think the s&b wagon is a bit silly, but s&b's last two posts are a little too... try-hard for my liking. "look how casual i am guise!!!!" lol marv it's all because you said on irc that i'm more composed when i'm scum i'm upping my game son + Show Spoiler +wifomwifomwifomwifomwifom
.... are what make me think he's not scum. He's playing fast and loose and that'd be pretty risky. It was my scum strategy in irc mafia but I don't think it would work it forum mafia.
I'm most concerned about darthpunk atm. First he seems a lot less "in your face" than town dp does, and I don't like his snb vote. Ironically, he seemd to vote for snb for making a shitty vote, but imo dp's vote was even worse.
He later unvotes... and doesn't give a reason why... and then he votes again for snb. He actually votes for that trolly post I referenced earlier.. the whole situation leaves me with the feeling that snb is town and dp is scum and taking the easy way out by voting based on snb's blatantly trolly and silly posts. DP has this to say about snb:
On November 13 2012 11:29 DarthPunk wrote:
His entire demeanour feels contrived and fake to be honest.
That's the same feeling that I'm getting, except in the other direction so it worries me that DP is interpreting it how he is.
Darthpunk, why did you unvote snb?
I'm also concerned about kickstart. I don't like how he jumped in the thread without commenting on anything. Looks like this is his first game though so I'm not gonna judge him too early. Could be either scum not having an opinion or first time player not having an opinion.
On November 13 2012 11:11 Kickstart wrote:
Just got back from school, it let out a bit early. Had a bit of catching up to do in the thread but not too much has happened yet. I would like to ask Hapa a question though, I think it is only fair since you wanted to know more about me!
Hapa: What do you think is most important for a successful Day1 for town, and how do you feel you have contributed?
His other post didn't add much either. Kickstart... we've already got 7 people throwing down votes, there is plenty to talk about. Specifically, I want to hear your opinions on anything snb related.
##fos dp
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Done with paper woo! So here are some thoughts before I'm off to bed:
@ Kickstarter
Heya bud!
On November 13 2012 11:11 Kickstart wrote:
Just got back from school, it let out a bit early. Had a bit of catching up to do in the thread but not too much has happened yet. I would like to ask Hapa a question though, I think it is only fair since you wanted to know more about me!
Hapa: What do you think is most important for a successful Day1 for town, and how do you feel you have contributed?
A successful Day 1 is an active Day 1. If townies are open, active, and honest, it generates tons of information and makes it hard for scum to hide. As far as my own contributions, it seems like a really pointless question, since my answer will be biased as either alignment. I'll just let my activity speak for itself over the next 48 hours.
Also, I realize you're a new player, so please don't be afraid to post! How open and active you are is really important in order for town to figure out your alignment. If you're town, post! If you're scum, just roleclaim or somethin =D
Regarding StrongandBig
I'm so torn on him, and fortunately we have another ~40 hours to determine his alignment.
I'm undecided whether or not he's just deliberately trolling or not. Having seen him play scum in Mafia LVII and DeathNote Mini, this just seems as such a far departure from his more "careful" scum-style of play. He seems to be really inviting attention to himself at this point and is overall very ambivalent to suspicion against him.
On the other hand, his play on it's face right now just seems really scummy. My previous point (on him criticizing debears) still stands, and his recent posting is just ridiculously off. My vote will stay on him until he proves his alignment otherwise.
Regarding the Inactives
Activity has been really solid so far, but we still have two players who haven't posted, Crossfire99 and Thrawn. I'm not going to judge them after only a couple of hours, but I'm looking forward to hearing from both of them.
Also BlazingHand has been very off from his traditional "dick dick dick" screaming townie play. He's notoriously bad at scum, and his play so far is something that I'd expect from his scumplay. Again, not going to judge based on 6 hours, but he'll likely have my vote if he keeps this up.
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Mother of fuck thrawn. Way to snipe me and all that.
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Blazinghand
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On November 13 2012 11:52 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 11:47 Kickstart wrote:On November 13 2012 11:44 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:42 marvellosity wrote:On November 13 2012 11:40 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 11:37 iamperfection wrote:
Whats everybody think of bh he is like a very good player when he is town from what i saw and here he really hasent done anything despite being here tell me what you guys think. Give him a chance. He is one of those guys I would 100% never lynch day one because the benefits of him being town vastly out weigh the risks of him being scum. From what I have heard around the grapevine however he is fairly easy to read as scum so we should be fine to take a look at him later on in the game. you kidding? I'd lynch him day 1 in a heartbeat if I thought he was scum. Well. That is fine. But I am not going to lynch him day one when he is a very good town player and the only case against him so far is that he is lurking. The night (or day in terms of our game i guess!) is young, I wouldn't call anyone a lurker just yet. But I agree with marv that people who give off scum vibes should get the vote and find it odd that you are basically stating that you wouldn't vote for him no matter what ;o. Yep. I would not. I would not vote day one for Hapa or marv either. Unless there was something super obvious I would not vote for them. But I do not think that would happen because they are all good players and that is why I respect them I suppose.
Honestly I think it's bad to tie yourself down with ideas like that. If someone's playing scummy, they're playing scummy. My scum play isn't amazing, but due to my extreme sex appeal and enormous intelligence and penis, I can assure you that it's improved a great deal. Mostly it's due to my large penis-- it is quite a monstrosity. It works as a pad, even.
Back on topic, don't feel like you can't vote or push people because of possible contributions. This kind of play is lazy and puts preconceived notions of what certain players are worth ahead of behavioral analysis. Someone voting for me because they legitimately think I'm scum and they have the cojones to do it is infinitely more helpful to town than someone not voting me because I'm a sexy baller.
That being said, iamperfection's vote is pretty typical iamperfection throwing his vote around trying to pressure people but not doing it effectively. He needs to realize that you should vote people when you want to lynch them, or else you won't be taken seriously.
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Blazinghand
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Z-BosoN should be aware it's on him as a non-DT-checkable player to distinguish himself as town, and what he's posted so far is all bullshit. ZB wanted a wagon to hop on with minimal discussion, so he puked some posts out into the thread and slapped down some poop vote. He voted debears, but unvoted him basically immediately. His reason for voting debears is also crap since debears doesn't see a need to worry about ZB right away.
ZB says this:
On November 13 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote:
For someone who is analytical enough to attempt to judge marv's early game reactions, he's sure not being analytical about my claim. This smells scummy to me.
and that's basically wrong. The fact that debears essentially ignores ZB's claim (which is the right move-- it's clearly a null tell) is COMPLETELY normal. And look at this sentence from ZB-- it's a meta case about debears comparing meta from PREVIOUSLY IN THE THREAD. That's not meta. That's bullshitting.
Z-B iquickly moves over to another shitcase before peacing out of the thread:
On November 13 2012 10:13 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum
but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one Glad I beat you to it. Interesting way to claim VT though. Actually I find that suspicious as fuck. ##Unvote##Vote strongandbigDebears, I hope your posting improves throughout this game. Also, what do you mean by "that argument again?".
S&B's "accidental" "vt claim" (both of those are in question) could be suspicious. But Z-B doesn't explain why. He doesn't set up a scum motive. He just slaps down a vote and bails. This is a chance to look like a townie wagon-started without doing analysis or writing the kind of long posts that could reveal his own scum motives. When Hapa rightly calls him on it:
On November 13 2012 10:14 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:09 Hapahauli wrote:On November 13 2012 10:07 debears wrote:On November 13 2012 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
also fuck you zboson i wanted to fakeclaim miller as vt since then people couldn't say "oh he's fakeclaiming miller must mean he's scum" when i fakeclaim miller as scum
but now if i did that people would be like "two millers what are the odds" and then probably lynch you so no good on that one ^^^^^^claim The VT claim is significant why exactly? Scum just love implying they are town.
First off, a crap explanation. Everyone wants to appear as town cause getting lynched hurts your side no matter whether you're town or scum. A more correct explanation would talk about how VTs wouldn't claim VT because it narrows down potential blue snipes, and how he believes S&B was serious and not joking in that post. A town player would lay out his own thought process right away so that others understand what he's thinking. He'd respond to s&B and push the wagon, not just slap down a vote and a bad explanation.
ZB is setting up to look good as a wagon starter (since scum don't like to stick their necks out) and appear to contribute to town, but if you read his astonishingly short filter, it's clear he's not actually helping. He's flinging shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.
Let's splatter this guy.
##vote: Z-Boson
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Blazinghand
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Well fuck I got double ninjaed
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Blazinghand
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But yeah anyone voting S&B right now is scum or bad
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Blazinghand
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thrawn is basically correct
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VCB going to bed:
strongandbig (4): Z-BosoN, Clarity_nl, Hapahauli, Darthpunk
debears (1): strongandbig
Hopeless1der (1): debears
Blazinghand (1): iamperfection
Z-BosoN (1): Blazinghand
Not voting (5): marvellosity, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der, Kickstart, Crossfire99
Currently, strongandbig is set to be lynched! ~43 hours remaining in Day 1.
Full version:
+ Show Spoiler +strongandbig (3): DarthPunk, Z-BosoN, Clarity_nl, Hapahauli
Clarity_nl (1): DarthPunk
debears (1): Z-Boson, strongandbig
Blazinghand (1): iamperection
Hopeless1der (1): debears]
Z-BosoN (1): Blazinghand
Darthpunk (0): Hapahauli Hapahauli
Hapahauli (0): iamperfection, strongandbig
marvellosity (0): debears
Not voting (5): marvellosity, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der, Kickstart, Crossfire99
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I guess I will try to post more since everyone is saying I should, up till now I have just been reading and taking everything in on my own ;o. As for the snb question directed at me I don't feel suspicious at all and agree that some people have been all to eager to jump on the bandwagon. I view his post as him joking around and it seems people are making a big deal out of an off the cuff comment ;/. I don't think your criticism of my first post is fair thrawn cause I felt that up until that point not much was going on (I felt that the random votes people were throwing were complete jokes ;/, or at least seemed to be), but I was glad when a page or so after some serious discussion started.
So some of my own thoughts.
The snb stuff is silly, I see no reason to vote for him at the moment. With this I think the bandwagon is unwarranted and will be keeping an eye on those who just jumped on without saying anything.
I also asked Hapa that question because I felt his posts were scummy. I felt they bogged down the discussion (talking about rules, casting doubt, etc) instead of promoting it and am trying to work out what I think about his response to it that he will just let his posts speak for themselves.
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Blazinghand
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Kickstart it's interesting to hear what you have to say about the S&B wagon being bad, but it's more important to hear what you think in terms of who you think the scum is. Be forceful. Check out my masterful post attacking ZB for an example of what you should do. Just calling people town or making weak questionings of Hapa wont' help. If you think Hapa is scum, go prove it. be a man. do the right thing.
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I am just throwing my vote around trying to see what's up. I think I explained both my votes on him adequately maybe you disagree with the reasons and that is fine.
The reason I unvoted S&B the first time was that I voted for Clarity for what I perceived to be an easy jump onto an easy wagon. He gave his explanation, I unvoted and then I re-voted S&B.
I cannot find the townie reasoning behind several things S&B has posted thus far. I cannot reconcile using WIFOM about his scum game as townie behaviour and I do not buy the too scummy to be scum shit.
I am far from certain about him. But if he is town I want him to shape up. I don;t like using FoS's anymore so a vote it is.
@blazinghand. Guess I am bad.
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Holy shit after reading BH's case on ZB I thought he was Austin for a moment. 0_o
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Blazinghand
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BH. Austin always posts like a huge case on ZB every single game. It was a bad joke.
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About the thing that ZB thought about scum implying they are town. That is actually what he thinks. He has said it a couple of times before. He actually uses it to catch me as scum apparently. It doesn't really effect your case that much. But I do know that this is one of his genuine scumhunting tools as town.
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Blazinghand
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Even if he believes that, the fact that he didn't articulate it in his vote post, and hasn't made any real attempts to convince other people to vote with him or even write an extensive case is still damning. I'll keep that in mind, though.
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Morning.
My vote on SnB isn't going anywhere for the moment. It was meant as pressure and it'll remain until he answers my question:
On November 13 2012 10:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
strongandbig why did you claim VT, please explain your reasoning.
I find the answer (if you can call it that).... not to my liking:
On November 13 2012 10:52 strongandbig wrote:
okay so
that "lol" was when I was reading the thread and ppl were like "omg vote him he claimed vt"
and then I was like, wtf are they talking about when did I claim vt?
and then I was like, "oh."
yeah so, oops?
Anyway.... just because my vote is on him doesn't mean I can't focus on other things. Just woke up and had breakfast, will be reading some filters.
PS:
On November 13 2012 15:39 Blazinghand wrote:
But yeah anyone voting S&B right now is scum or bad
What?
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Blazinghand
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sorry you must be hard of hearing
your vote on S&B right now is bad
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I assumed you'd understand my "What?" was to be read as "Please clarify"
But if you insist on just calling people bad, but not explaining why, go right on ahead.
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