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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 02:16 GMT
#321
On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town?


I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting.

What have you done?

##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der

DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:

On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking.


Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out.

And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point....

And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u!

Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking?


^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is?


aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis?


Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting


He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter"


Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta.

We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize.

So why discuss it?


But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta.

On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town?


I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting.

What have you done?

##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der

DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:

On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking.


Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out.

And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point....

And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u!

Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking?


^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is?


Why?


Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire"

Please keep my posts in context


Yes I realize he asked before marv answered. How are your quotes not in context?
You answer Hapa by saying it doesn't matter who he is, because reads within the current game are more important.
But just now you asked about someone's meta, contradicting yourself.

Please tell me where I am wrong.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 13 2012 02:16 GMT
#322
On November 13 2012 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town?


I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting.

What have you done?

##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der

DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:

On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking.


Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out.

And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point....

And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u!

Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking?


^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is?


Hopeless lurks as both alignments. That has been my experience in the last two games in which I played with him.


I'm wondering more specifically on the aggressive/lecturing nature of his posts so far
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 13 2012 02:17 GMT
#323
yes, hopeless isn't a proven enough town player to be lecturing people, really.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 13 2012 02:18 GMT
#324
that doesn't mean i don't do it anways, proven or not
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 02:19 GMT
#325
On November 13 2012 11:10 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 11:03 marvellosity wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:00 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv

Let us into your mind a little bit - any thoughts/suspicions thusfar?


not a lot worth sharing. I think the s&b wagon is a bit silly, but s&b's last two posts are a little too... try-hard for my liking.

"look how casual i am guise!!!!"

lol marv

it's all because you said on irc that i'm more composed when i'm scum

i'm upping my game son









+ Show Spoiler +
wifomwifomwifomwifomwifom


##Vote: S&B

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 13 2012 02:20 GMT
#326
DP, that's the second time you've voted for him without saying why.
This won't do.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 13 2012 02:21 GMT
#327
On November 13 2012 11:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
that doesn't mean i don't do it anways, proven or not


actually, reading the first couple of pages of your filter in Whose Line, you were pretty constructive, and you are not at all here.

What gives?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 13 2012 02:21 GMT
#328
On November 13 2012 11:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:
[quote]

I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting.

What have you done?

##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der

DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:

On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:
[quote]

Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out.

And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point....

And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u!

Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking?


^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is?


aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis?


Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting


He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter"


Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta.

We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize.

So why discuss it?


But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta.

On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town?


I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting.

What have you done?

##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der

DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:

On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking.


Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out.

And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point....

And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u!

Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking?


^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is?


Why?


Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire"

Please keep my posts in context


Yes I realize he asked before marv answered. How are your quotes not in context?
You answer Hapa by saying it doesn't matter who he is, because reads within the current game are more important.
But just now you asked about someone's meta, contradicting yourself.

Please tell me where I am wrong.


Alright, let me spell it out for you
1) Hapa asked if cross was smurf
2) I said there was nothing to discuss about him being smurf, since he hadn't posted much
3) Marv says cross is cross

So, my point was that you can't make a basis whether he is indeed a smurf until he posts enough so that vet's recognize him. That makes discussing it early irrelevant.

Now,
1) Hopeless comes in lecturing (anti-town)
2) I ask whether it fits his meta
3) You jump on me saying it's a contradiction to what I said

It isn't a contradiction. Behavior > meta, especially if players are aware of their meta. Now, if behavior is totally against a player's town meta, and that behavior is scummy, then there are alarms that go off
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 13 2012 02:24 GMT
#329
On November 13 2012 11:21 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 11:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
[quote]
DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:

[quote]
Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking?


^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is?


aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis?


Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting


He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter"


Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta.

We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize.

So why discuss it?


But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta.

On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town?


I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting.

What have you done?

##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der

DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:

On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking.


Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out.

And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point....

And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u!

Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking?


^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is?


Why?


Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire"

Please keep my posts in context


Yes I realize he asked before marv answered. How are your quotes not in context?
You answer Hapa by saying it doesn't matter who he is, because reads within the current game are more important.
But just now you asked about someone's meta, contradicting yourself.

Please tell me where I am wrong.


Alright, let me spell it out for you
1) Hapa asked if cross was smurf
2) I said there was nothing to discuss about him being smurf, since he hadn't posted much
3) Marv says cross is cross

So, my point was that you can't make a basis whether he is indeed a smurf until he posts enough so that vet's recognize him. That makes discussing it early irrelevant.

Now,
1) Hopeless comes in lecturing (anti-town)
2) I ask whether it fits his meta
3) You jump on me saying it's a contradiction to what I said

It isn't a contradiction. Behavior > meta, especially if players are aware of their meta. Now, if behavior is totally against a player's town meta, and that behavior is scummy, then there are alarms that go off


If it is the behaviour compared to different games, that's meta. That's what meta means.

Hapa asked if anyone knew if cross was a smurf. Why is there nothing to discuss? If you don't know he's a smurf or not you simply don't answer. If you do you do. Marv answered because he knew, case closed.
The part I don't understand is why you say it's not important. No one was talking about deducting who he is, assuming he's a smurf.


FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 13 2012 02:25 GMT
#330
On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:
Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting

On November 13 2012 11:07 marvellosity wrote:
we can tell, because i told you who he was

On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:
wait what??????


For reference:
On November 13 2012 09:48 marvellosity wrote:
ah, no Crossfire is just Crossfire.

He played in Whose Line (town) and Aperture mini (third party type scum thing) recently

Checking timestamps, just over an hour from when debears should be well aware of what has happened. Wanting to pursue my meta isn't all that bothersome.
On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:
Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire"

Please keep my posts in context

But you said 'we cannot tell' after marv's post. You can't keep your own posts in context. I'm [this] close to voting you
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 13 2012 02:26 GMT
#331
On November 13 2012 11:21 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 11:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
that doesn't mean i don't do it anways, proven or not


actually, reading the first couple of pages of your filter in Whose Line, you were pretty constructive, and you are not at all here.

What gives?

Themed game mostly I guess..it usually takes me longer to get constructive.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 13 2012 02:28 GMT
#332
On November 13 2012 11:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 11:21 marvellosity wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
that doesn't mean i don't do it anways, proven or not


actually, reading the first couple of pages of your filter in Whose Line, you were pretty constructive, and you are not at all here.

What gives?

Themed game mostly I guess..it usually takes me longer to get constructive.


alright, i know it's pot kettle black, but try not to snipe too much (i'm an awesome common sense police)

the reason i didn't chuck a vote on you is because you seemed constructive in acme and you were scum there, so *shrug*
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 02:29 GMT
#333
On November 13 2012 11:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP, that's the second time you've voted for him without saying why.
This won't do.


What is the problem? It should be obvious. He is WIFOMING about his scum game after he claimed VT. Which He CLAIMS was an accident. But the 'realisation' that he claimed 'accidentally' felt contrived and fake.

His entire demeanour feels contrived and fake to be honest.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 13 2012 02:29 GMT
#334
On November 13 2012 11:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP, that's the second time you've voted for him without saying why.
This won't do.


also, this.

If this is your gameplan, DP, stop it immediately, because it's fucking awful. And if you're town, I do not wish you to be fucking awful.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 13 2012 02:29 GMT
#335
and no, "my vote should be obvious" is not a legitimate reason.

give good reasons at the time for your vote or it makes your vote meaningless.

are we clear?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 13 2012 02:30 GMT
#336
On November 13 2012 11:24 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2012 11:21 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:08 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:
[quote]

^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is?


aren't you the same dude who told hapa it didn't matter who crossfire was from before because all we need is behavioural analysis?


Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting


He was asking if anyone knew if he was a smurf. You didn't say "we don't know", you said "doesn't matter"


Yeah it doesn't matter since looking about behavior is usually a better indicator than meta.

We can't know unless he comes out and starts posting like someone the vets recognize.

So why discuss it?


But you just made a post, with the only question being about someone's meta.

On November 13 2012 11:04 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 11:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:55 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
What good did that question do for town?


I'm trying to figure out wtf you are doing coming in out of nowhere and lecturing someone early d1. In fact, lecturing everyone for their scumhunting.

What have you done?

##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der

DP calls out marv because multiple people were actively lurking and you singling out clarity was unfair. I was also lurking, and DP implies you were "trying your hardest", whereas you have said:

On November 13 2012 10:48 debears wrote:
On November 13 2012 10:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think debears is just mucking up the thread hard, but that's apparently just what he does? pretty much what marv said again for myself on the active lurking.


Eh. It's early d1. Give me about 10 more hours before the good stuff comes out.

And yeah guys didn't realize it's only 2 hours at this point....

And yeah marv that's why my vote is still on u!

Did we catch the scums yet? Did 10 hours pass when I wasnt looking?


^^^^^Can someone tell me if this is how hopeless is?


Why?


Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire"

Please keep my posts in context


Yes I realize he asked before marv answered. How are your quotes not in context?
You answer Hapa by saying it doesn't matter who he is, because reads within the current game are more important.
But just now you asked about someone's meta, contradicting yourself.

Please tell me where I am wrong.


Alright, let me spell it out for you
1) Hapa asked if cross was smurf
2) I said there was nothing to discuss about him being smurf, since he hadn't posted much
3) Marv says cross is cross

So, my point was that you can't make a basis whether he is indeed a smurf until he posts enough so that vet's recognize him. That makes discussing it early irrelevant.

Now,
1) Hopeless comes in lecturing (anti-town)
2) I ask whether it fits his meta
3) You jump on me saying it's a contradiction to what I said

It isn't a contradiction. Behavior > meta, especially if players are aware of their meta. Now, if behavior is totally against a player's town meta, and that behavior is scummy, then there are alarms that go off


If it is the behaviour compared to different games, that's meta. That's what meta means.

Hapa asked if anyone knew if cross was a smurf. Why is there nothing to discuss? If you don't know he's a smurf or not you simply don't answer. If you do you do. Marv answered because he knew, case closed.
The part I don't understand is why you say it's not important. No one was talking about deducting who he is, assuming he's a smurf.




I look at behavior first, then meta to support.

What do those last two sentences mean? Can you rephrase them?

There was nothing to discuss because cross (who hapa asked if was smurf) hadn't posted much, and still hasn't

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16886690
Read here plz. Notice how I post right after Hapa
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 13 2012 02:31 GMT
#337
lolwut...that means i should troll to be considered town rofl.

Is the way debears confused 'small amount of games' with 'unreadable' scummy? He did it AFTER he was supposedly aware that cross has played before. or would you consider them the same thing?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
November 13 2012 02:31 GMT
#338
so uh this guys is like not helping right now and i expect better from him since i hold him in high regards. i say we force his hand.

## Vote Blazinghand

Especially since he made it obvious that he was here with his "lol"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
November 13 2012 02:33 GMT
#339
Lol marv scolding me is super cute.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 13 2012 02:33 GMT
#340
On November 13 2012 11:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On November 13 2012 11:07 debears wrote:
Because hapa's talk about was whether he is a smurf, which we cannot tell right now, due to his lack of posting

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On November 13 2012 11:07 marvellosity wrote:
we can tell, because i told you who he was

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On November 13 2012 11:10 debears wrote:
wait what??????


For reference:
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On November 13 2012 09:48 marvellosity wrote:
ah, no Crossfire is just Crossfire.

He played in Whose Line (town) and Aperture mini (third party type scum thing) recently

Checking timestamps, just over an hour from when debears should be well aware of what has happened. Wanting to pursue my meta isn't all that bothersome.
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On November 13 2012 11:14 debears wrote:
Because the question hapa asked was if cross was a smurf. Ffs. That came before Marv's "crossfire is just crossfire"

Please keep my posts in context

But you said 'we cannot tell' after marv's post. You can't keep your own posts in context. I'm [this] close to voting you


I missed the crossfire is crossfire post. Hard to really notice posts about who he is when I've never played with him and he's not active
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