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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 17 2012 01:38 GMT
#361
I'll never ask someone else to answer for me in a Mafia game, so what you did you did of your own choosing. And bussing has a definition specific to this game, that involves scum jumping on scum to look pro-town.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
July 17 2012 01:47 GMT
#362
@JingleHell: I know you didn't. I still brought it up because it's relevant to the topic (the words "under the bus"). I just wanted to end this tangent by saying what I just did: it is probably best to avoid colloquialisms heretofore as much as possible.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 17 2012 02:31 GMT
#363
Obvious.660 is obviously mafia. Kill with fire.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 17 2012 02:36 GMT
#364
KILL OBVIOUS.660!!!
Never!
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
July 17 2012 02:49 GMT
#365
can you stop that before i vote you
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 02:54 GMT
#366
Why the hard stance on Obvious.660 YourHarry? I understand if you're pointing out suspicions and pressuring him, but looking through your filter, I can't find anything resembling a case against him. The case against Obvious seems like a goose-chase so far. He's been active and reckless, and his change in stance against tube reads to me as aggressive town play more than anythign else. He's willing to take stances without fear of death or suspicion. Seems very townie to me so far.

As far as I'm concerned, tube's one-liners seem much more suspicious. Furthermore, we have a handful of lurkers that need to be pressured by town to increase their post counts. It's not good if town ends Day 1 with a couple of players who have posted nothing of substance.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 17 2012 03:04 GMT
#367
On July 17 2012 06:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 06:02 drwiggl3s wrote:
On July 17 2012 05:58 JingleHell wrote:
On July 17 2012 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:
On July 17 2012 05:51 JingleHell wrote:
On July 17 2012 05:49 Hapahauli wrote:
On July 17 2012 05:45 JingleHell wrote:
On July 17 2012 05:44 tube wrote:
and yeah in every accusation against other people so far you can tell that people are just trying to make something out of nothing which is why i dont agree with anyone yet

also there should be pressure on the people who haven't even posted yet to say something:
drwiggl3s
fulla
mufaa
evulrabbitz

thats 4 people any of which could be mafia just sitting there watching you guys gang up on the "active lurker"


And if you flip town, I'll consider them as plausible targets. If you flip scum, I'll consider them confirmed townie. Deal?


Let's not pre-determine our lynches less than 24 hours into day 1 Jingle. While tube is at the top of my list right now (even moreso after chainsaw defending himself with a list of lurkers), we don't know if he'll be the scummiest player by the D1 lynch deadline.


I was actually fishing for a reaction more substantial than his current posting, thanks for interfering.

And you're one to talk, remember XX N1 where you were like 72 hours away from deadline planning to lynch me until DT confirmed me on D2?


Of course I remember - it was a huge mistake, and I don't want to see it repeated.


With tube, I'm thinking the same way I was about Lazer. If they flip green, at least we don't have them hurting the town with their attitude.


Is this.. a scum slip? You should always go for mafia. Lynching someone for being bad-town is a mistake. This is a noobie game after all.


Do you have a list of mafia for us to choose from? Are you on that list, Captain Obvious (No relation)? I thought I was supposed to get myself killed Day 1 every time, hence my abysmal history in playing this game. [/sarcasm]


Lynching a bad townie in absence of scum to choose from is the best play town can make (unless its MYLO) imo.
Are we allowed to Vote: No Lynch?

There's some theoretical crap about even numbers of town-vs-scum being better for a potential mislynch or something to that effect. I might have it backwards in some way, but anyways, mislynching still gives information and the entire process leading up to getting tube (mis)lynched will give us information as well. If along the way someone makes a scumslip well guess what, I'll probably be voting for the scummy player. We need to do something to force reads from people who refuse to contribute. Almost getting them lynched should work as reasonable motivation I'd hope.


Yes, you can vote for a no-lynch
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 03:17 GMT
#368
On July 17 2012 06:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Lynching a bad townie in absence of scum to choose from is the best play town can make (unless its MYLO) imo.
Are we allowed to Vote: No Lynch?

There's some theoretical crap about even numbers of town-vs-scum being better for a potential mislynch or something to that effect. I might have it backwards in some way, but anyways, mislynching still gives information and the entire process leading up to getting tube (mis)lynched will give us information as well. If along the way someone makes a scumslip well guess what, I'll probably be voting for the scummy player. We need to do something to force reads from people who refuse to contribute. Almost getting them lynched should work as reasonable motivation I'd hope.


Woah, can't believe I missed this - this is pretty interesting, and you wouldn't happen to have a reference for this?

I can't ever see rationale for a nolynch, especially since lynch votes and actions are a great source of information when investigating mafia motive. As far as I'm concerned, a nolynch just gives the mafia a free kill, while the town is stuck on day 1 with no reads and less information. Since this post, there has fortunately been a burst of activity, and hopefully someone can build a case. I'm planning to dig through it all tomorrow to build something more definite.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 17 2012 03:38 GMT
#369
Except for MYLO i agree that no-lynch is usually no good. Away from my computer right now but I should be able to find that statistic mislynch vs nolynch stuff tonight
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
July 17 2012 04:30 GMT
#370
On July 17 2012 12:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
Except for MYLO i agree that no-lynch is usually no good. Away from my computer right now but I should be able to find that statistic mislynch vs nolynch stuff tonight

If its as good as your explanation from Newbie Mini Mafia XIX please dont bring it up. All you will manage to do is confuse yourself and everybody else. No lynch will allow the mafia to spread their vote and hide and would probally make it harder for blues to make better plays. Leave the math out no lynch = bad leave it at that.

On July 17 2012 07:57 Obvious.660 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 07:45 JingleHell wrote:
Hold up, Obvious. Going from


On July 17 2012 07:32 Obvious.660 wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:30 tube wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:12 calgar wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:05 tube wrote:
yeah i dont see the need to put the effort into quoting each argument and pointing exactly where somebody is trying to make an accusation out of thin air when if people just looked at them they would realize there is statistically an 8/11 chance that whoever they're accusing is town because their argument was empty to begin with, in that people just pick out innocuous tidbits of a post and try to make it seem like something a mafia would say (sometimes even extrapolating to create an even less believable post, you being the repeat offender of this one)

On July 17 2012 06:48 calgar wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:45 tube wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:41 Hapahauli wrote:
EBWOP: Oh shucks, calgar beat me to it.

didnt i beat both of you to it

well looks like mufaa is also convinced that my active lurking is a scumtell
despite the fact that i already said i dont suspect anyone
and again i dont see a reason to bandwagon me for not being careful with accusations

Our advice seems to be falling on deaf ears, here. Why don't you read my summary of iamperfection again, I think it was very suspicious and poorly written post on his part (and his only one, to boot).

? i was wrong in my response to evulrabbitz or what is this about?
No, you were right. I was just suggesting that since you had no suspicions you could see what you thought about mine. As a way to try and become a more active participant. Also, your posts are slightly difficult to understand because of awkward formatting. Could you try using sentences and punctuation?


Yeah I agree his argument had bad logic but again I think he's just making accusations out of nothing, like this segment for example:
You are by far looking the more sucpicious right now. The accusation on tube is telling to me. After the heat on you it seems you like you know want to set up a policy of lynching lurker or people that do one liners. Instead of drving the attention on one person it appears to me you are trying to get us looking at a whole group in order to confuse the town

I don't necessarily read such an argument as a scumtell because it could also just as easily be his candid attempt at scumhunting. Fact of the matter is, there's virtually no way to tell for something like this.

Also, if you think putting words into people's mouths is suspicious, take a look at JingleHell's early posts against me that sparked the entire bandwagon. He does it multiple times by saying that I basically said so and so and therefore was clearly playing against town.

Woah! It's like a completely different person sat down at your computer and started typing. WELCOME TO THE GAME, TUBE!


to
I notice you didn't ask my why I changed my vote, you just jumped me for doing some band-wagoning

On July 17 2012 07:39 Obvious.660 wrote:
##Vote tube
Reason: out of character posting. Coached response.


is a bit bizarre.

Frankly, that sounds more like scum suddenly seeing a chance for a bandwagon on someone they didn't lead the case against.

##Unvote
##Vote Obvious.660


Remember this?

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 02:21 Obvious.660 wrote:
Greetings. Had a good sleep and I feel a bit refreshed and quite a bit like swimming in coffee. Breakfast-type things are happening but the hunt must continue.

FOS YourHarry

I guess it was an easy way to make myself a convenient target by posting something low content early in the first day before I would be able to contribute anything for another 12 hours or so. Regardless, choosing the last name you see for your vote when others have already provided much more to go on seems scummy to me when I wouldn't even be around to defend myself.

YourHarry's self analysis might be indicative that mafia is going with some kind of sacrificial lamb ploy to get our trust. If that's the case, I'll have to follow it up with

smaller, more wrinkly and arthritic FOS on iamperfection

as their entire strategy may have been hinted right in front of us. YourHarry gets to be the sacrificial lamb and anyone on his case early is riding the gravy train for day 1 as they will be safe from lynch tonight.

On July 17 2012 00:42 iamperfection wrote:
Also, i think there is a possibility yourharry post was an attempt to get attention away from calgar


Of course there's a third scumbucket somewhere around here that hasn't been factored in my theory, for which I will be searching on top of building my current case against these two.


Nothing has changed. He's definitely a third mafia candidate (shitty posting history plus change in character to what looks like copy-pasted text from someone else) and it wraps up my theory quite nicely. The jig is up on the sacrificial lamb-ing and their strategy has been adjusted. His last couple of posts were completely out of character. Capitalization? Complete sentences? Total 180 and I don't think that a new-found passion for the game is going to change whether or not you type like shit.

If I'm right on this vote, it will mean my read was good (unless I change my stance on the other two I've listed, which is not out of the question by any means) and I can have more faith in my other suspicions. If not, well, it takes a town to vote.

~6 Hours since the last post from YourHarry
Still only one post from iamperfection.


The perfect one would never sacrifice a mafia member. Also this is a mini mafia it would be very risky to throw a mafia member out.

Also i dont believe i said anything about a sacrifical lamb strategy i said yourharry was trying to get heat of calgar by throwing a vote out there to take off heat from calgar. I dont know where you came up with this grand conspiracy of a sacrfical lamb from my post.

And two can play at this game calgar i still got my eye on you.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 17 2012 05:55 GMT
#371
Vote Count


Obvious.660 (2): YourHarry, JingleHell

Tube (1): JingleHell, Obvious.660

YourHarry (0): JingleHell

You have about 17 hours till the deadline.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 17 2012 05:56 GMT
#372
Based on meta alone, I find Hapha suspicious. He hasn't yet to post his signature lengthy analysis on players he find suspicious.

Of course, the easy answer is that he hasn't found anyone suspicious.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 17 2012 05:59 GMT
#373
With 17 hours left, we should start making votes - just to allow us to see the direction of the lynch.
Never!
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 17 2012 06:01 GMT
#374
Jeez perfection, thanks for the vote of confidence there bud. For reference:

And They All Lived Happily Ever Afterhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=...and_they_all_lived_happily_ever_after
Numbers, Part 1http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Numbers,_Part_1

I was vaguely correct, which may as well mean I was wrong. The links have very limited bearing on this game and are probably not worth discussing at this point in time. Hapa asked about it and I said I'd find the info I was referring to (albeit poorly applicable info). If there is something in there that someone finds relevant to the discussions, then by all means...




After catching up, I notice that Fulla has disappeared yet again. Seriously what in the hell. Are you even trying to be active? I asked you a direct question and you run for the hills or something.
Vote: Fulla

Moving on, Un-FoS: tube since he has started to actually post things that seem reasonable, if not full reads/cases yet. Also his early posting style was too flippant for me to believe he's scum in a newbie game. If he slips later I'll revisit but for now I'm reading him as town.

Too tired to properly comment on Obvious.660 right now, but basically FoS: Obvious.660. I probably wont be posting until Noon-ish tomorrow (~5 hours before deadline).
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
July 17 2012 06:05 GMT
#375
EBWOP:
##Vote: Fulla

And also it seems I semi-failed at links. I'm awesome.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
July 17 2012 06:27 GMT
#376
I love how I'm somehow more culpable than YourHarry whose entire argument was to see me burned to death, Hopeless1der.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 17 2012 06:40 GMT
#377
how about... KILL IT WITH ROPE
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 17 2012 06:41 GMT
#378
Despite what I said about needing to start voting, I don't know who to vote. I will reconsider tomorrow morning

##Unvote
Never!
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
July 17 2012 11:06 GMT
#379
There aren't enough fingers to go around at this point. I will share a few thoughts before I sleep, as I may not make it back in time for any further analysis. Seriously, the town play needs to improve overall or we're going to mislynch tonight. It's awful that I am reading more scum than town.

> tube still has my vote. Don't just look at the filter, it's better to read the actual thread when looking at him. Very few quotes to address the accusations against him in his responses will make analysis of tube troublesome without going through unfiltered.

> YourHarry: Highly, highly suspicious of this one. Not because he voted for me, but because of HOW IT WAS DONE.

> JingleHell is suspicious to me for his constant attacks on what words are chosen: "Wait and see" -- "Under the bus" conversations, where intent was pretty clear and he chose to always take it in the most negative context possible. He's railed on Calgar and me fairly hard.

> Hopeless1der makes a safe vote against the lurking Fulla. Wanted to know about no-lynch for whatever reason. Leaning scum here.

> Fulla seems to be lurking hard. Brings up a point of inquiry for some irrelevant statistic and probably goes to sleep.

> iamperfection read my post but clearly didn't follow the conversation in entirety. Points a few fingers, nothing overly suspicious. I would call the posting history semi-engaging but barely active. Leaning scum here.

> Calgar: My gut tells me town.

> Mufaa: Two posts. One starts analysis with the promise of more. The extra analysis is nowhere to be found. However, his line of reasoning regarding JingleHell seems to be spot on so far today.

> drwiggl3s: No scummy feelings here, yet.

> Evulrabbitz: Lurky, but lives in Sweden. 7 hours ahead of EST, if my just-before-sleep math is any good. I'm probably off by an hour. Look for something from Evul in the very near future, well before vote time.

> Hapahauli: Should be weighing in today. I have no strong feelings either way about his contributed play.

If you get nothing else out of this, town members need to take a good look at their individual contributions and ask themselves if they've done everything they can today to work towards a good day one lynch.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
July 17 2012 11:39 GMT
#380
On July 17 2012 13:30 iamperfection wrote:
And two can play at this game calgar i still got my eye on you.
You've managed to vaguely reply to my post, yet you've addressed none of the content.

You've lurked and been generally unproductive.
You come in and point two fingers immediately but fail to later support your case.
You get your case from another person and add no thought to it.
You use poor logic and disregard my direct questions to you.

##Vote iamperfection
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