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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On July 17 2012 07:45 JingleHell wrote: Hold up, Obvious. Going from to I notice you didn't ask my why I changed my vote, you just jumped me for doing some band-wagoning is a bit bizarre. Frankly, that sounds more like scum suddenly seeing a chance for a bandwagon on someone they didn't lead the case against. ##Unvote ##Vote Obvious.660 Remember this? On July 17 2012 02:21 Obvious.660 wrote: Greetings. Had a good sleep and I feel a bit refreshed and quite a bit like swimming in coffee. Breakfast-type things are happening but the hunt must continue. FOS YourHarry I guess it was an easy way to make myself a convenient target by posting something low content early in the first day before I would be able to contribute anything for another 12 hours or so. Regardless, choosing the last name you see for your vote when others have already provided much more to go on seems scummy to me when I wouldn't even be around to defend myself. YourHarry's self analysis might be indicative that mafia is going with some kind of sacrificial lamb ploy to get our trust. If that's the case, I'll have to follow it up with smaller, more wrinkly and arthritic FOS on iamperfection as their entire strategy may have been hinted right in front of us. YourHarry gets to be the sacrificial lamb and anyone on his case early is riding the gravy train for day 1 as they will be safe from lynch tonight. Of course there's a third scumbucket somewhere around here that hasn't been factored in my theory, for which I will be searching on top of building my current case against these two. Nothing has changed. He's definitely a third mafia candidate (shitty posting history plus change in character to what looks like copy-pasted text from someone else) and it wraps up my theory quite nicely. The jig is up on the sacrificial lamb-ing and their strategy has been adjusted. His last couple of posts were completely out of character. Capitalization? Complete sentences? Total 180 and I don't think that a new-found passion for the game is going to change whether or not you type like shit. If I'm right on this vote, it will mean my read was good (unless I change my stance on the other two I've listed, which is not out of the question by any means) and I can have more faith in my other suspicions. If not, well, it takes a town to vote. ~6 Hours since the last post from YourHarry Still only one post from iamperfection. | ||
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tube
United States1475 Posts
Yeah, I almost always skip punctuation and capitalization for the sake of time on the Internet, but to denounce it as unfathomable that I change that so as to be taken more seriously while I'm being bandwagoned is a pretty terrible read. Going from no periods to periods on the suggestion of another player isn't a "Total 180", it just means I realized that some people would be more inclined to read my posts if I started formatting. Again, ask an admin if I was coached or anything of the sort. | ||
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tube
United States1475 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Man, this little burst of action just shakes me up. This is a huge deal to me, as I might not be able to trust my judgement or be prone to being led astray. Arguing about anything but whether or not you are posting was a welcome change. You are correct about my reading. I didn't read it super closely. It still has your style laced into it, it's just hidden behind capital letters and almost-paragraphs. This is what I get for reading on my mobile device. Not that you're cleared of suspicion, but I tunneled on you hard and I need to back up and re-assess, and certainly give you the chance to participate before I throw you under the bus. My eyes were on you, and only you, and that's something scum would love to see if you are town. I'm sorry about that. I wish I had more to go on regarding my other suspicions, their inactivity left me not much else to look for. We're coming up on 24 hours soon, which means 24 to go. Ample opportunity to change my vote. The vote remains until a more suitable candidate arises. | ||
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
On July 17 2012 07:26 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm done with tube. This is going around in circles and wasting time. His current approach to responding is making my head hurt. I'd suggest we leave him alone until tomorrow morning to see if he is in fact capable of making reads. There's 11 other players to analyze and conclude whether we think they're scum or town. By no means does this imply I'm giving him a free pass. If he hasn't come back with something meaningful by lynch time tomorrow, I'm likely to be joining Jingle's (present) company. I'm still waiting for Fulla to show up for real. Almost 24 hours now since his Welcome Everyone post. I'm here!!! I am continuously reading. It seems if you use this excuse it's very cliche and scummy, but I'll say it anyways. I'm new (2nd game) I get a bit lost what to do day1. I feel is I try to give reads (noob ones), I'll only assist the scum. I'll try to contribute, it seems tube is gathering suspicion. Si I'd like to ask. From reading a few guides, it generally says the overly active hyper day1 posting guy are usually those who turns out green town, even if actually being unhelpful and detrimental to the towns efforts. So question. From other games, have overly active 1 liner posters commonly turned out scum before when lynched day1? Or when lynched/killed further down the line? | ||
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drwiggl3s
Canada167 Posts
 In my experience (LVI) it seemed that the first lynch did not turn out to be scum. But that's just down to odds right.. However, one player who posted short reads, accusations, one liners (Bill Murray in that game) ended up being Mafia Boss and was shot N1. Food for thought I guess. Kind of hard to extrapolate good data or trends for D1. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
I don't know what a rough statistic of what a one-liner poster might flip as, but it is not the same as an overactive day1 poster. The lack of content is what is detrimental, and that is reason enough for suspicion because that type of posting is beneficial to mafia. In general I don't believe an overly active poster could be hurting town unless he was actively pushing scummy agenda's and would probably get called out for it. The other thing is that your reads are needed to help town no matter how newbie they are. Don't let that stop you. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On July 17 2012 08:45 Fulla wrote: I'm here!!! I am continuously reading. It seems if you use this excuse it's very cliche and scummy, but I'll say it anyways. I'm new (2nd game) I get a bit lost what to do day1. I feel is I try to give reads (noob ones), I'll only assist the scum. I'll try to contribute, it seems tube is gathering suspicion. Si I'd like to ask. From reading a few guides, it generally says the overly active hyper day1 posting guy are usually those who turns out green town, even if actually being unhelpful and detrimental to the towns efforts. So question. From other games, have overly active 1 liner posters commonly turned out scum before when lynched day1? Or when lynched/killed further down the line? Are you asking as a curiosity, or are you planning to base your first vote/accusation on statistics? The people playing in this game are all new, so I would be suprised if any of them knew. What is worrisome is that this is your first contribution, a question that could probably be answered with a few searches through the directory's threads or a simple google search. No thoughts on anything you have read here? I stirred up some trouble not that long ago and I earned myself a vote. Do you have a read on me? | ||
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On July 17 2012 08:40 Obvious.660 wrote:You are correct about my reading. I didn't read it super closely. It still has your style laced into it, it's just hidden behind capital letters and almost-paragraphs. This is what I get for reading on my mobile device. Not that you're cleared of suspicion, but I tunneled on you hard and I need to back up and re-assess, and certainly give you the chance to participate before I throw you under the bus. My eyes were on you, and only you, and that's something scum would love to see if you are town. I'm sorry about that. I wish I had more to go on regarding my other suspicions, their inactivity left me not much else to look for. I understand what you mean about re-assessing; it's a big turn and it deserves careful thought. I think it's important to ask a few questions in regards to the 'change'. Is it such a big change after being nagged and attacked? I did request that he use sentences and punctuation. Would YOU have a philosophical change like that mid game? Does it make more sense for a townie or a mafia to change styles? Is the more complicated answer really the best one? This is what I've been thinking.We're coming up on 24 hours soon, which means 24 to go. Ample opportunity to change my vote. The vote remains until a more suitable candidate arises. It's certainly suspect but I am currently inclined to read town. I think it's a very risky strategy to try and escape suspicion because of a philosophical change. Very prone to backfire and I would think he would have had to plan it before the game even began. His last game was in 2011 and he posted similarly to how he did at the beginning of our thread (for what little use that meta-analysis is). | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
It's now officially past the first half of the day cycle, so I would love to see more activity from those who have been very quiet. I'll be away from my computer for a few hours for RAW tonight (leaving in about half an hour) but I'll keep keeping up with reading any new posts during commercials via mobile. | ||
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Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
I have noticed that the majority of players are from the United States so I want to point out right now that I am from Sweden, which is in the CEST time zone (at the moment). I consistently read the thread to keep up with discussion but unless there is heated discussion or I have something that is worth adding immediately I usually post late evening/night (E.g it's 3AM here at the moment). | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 17 2012 07:57 Obvious.660 wrote: Remember this? Nothing has changed. He's definitely a third mafia candidate (shitty posting history plus change in character to what looks like copy-pasted text from someone else) and it wraps up my theory quite nicely. The jig is up on the sacrificial lamb-ing and their strategy has been adjusted. His last couple of posts were completely out of character. Capitalization? Complete sentences? Total 180 and I don't think that a new-found passion for the game is going to change whether or not you type like shit. If I'm right on this vote, it will mean my read was good (unless I change my stance on the other two I've listed, which is not out of the question by any means) and I can have more faith in my other suspicions. If not, well, it takes a town to vote. ~6 Hours since the last post from YourHarry Still only one post from iamperfection. Frankly, your sudden shift from welcoming him to the thread to voting for him sounds more like a coached response from a QT than him starting to make an effort after the entire active population of the thread told him to. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
I already conceded the I was wrong about the tell. That doesn't excuse everything else that has been discussed. | ||
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On July 17 2012 09:43 Evulrabbitz wrote: Noted regarding the time zone.I have been quiet because I have nothing to add. I picked at your post because I thought it was poorly worded and wanted a clarification. I have noticed that the majority of players are from the United States so I want to point out right now that I am from Sweden, which is in the CEST time zone (at the moment). I consistently read the thread to keep up with discussion but unless there is heated discussion or I have something that is worth adding immediately I usually post late evening/night (E.g it's 3AM here at the moment). Nevertheless, 8 pages of discussion and you have nothing to add? Discussions, accusations, voting have been going on and you don't have anything to say? No suspicions? Your lack of posting is anti-town currently. I would like to refer you to obvious' previous quote because I think it is applicable here. On July 17 2012 07:26 Obvious.660 wrote:You need to share what you know and what you believe. It's important because if you are town and get randomly chosen (assuming no better target exists for mafia) tonight and die, you have contributed nothing of value and we will never really know why you were chosen. Maybe they got tired of reading your posts. Maybe they want to use you as a vehicle of suspicion on others who had formed opinions against you or defended you. Bottom line - having no opinion is not playing town-safe I think that's it for me tonight - I'm still IGMEOY iamperfection. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
So, strategery! I'm going to apply my strategery to our discussion, and so far, our discussion has been good. By the way, you kind of have something SERIOUS to explain here. On July 17 2012 08:40 Obvious.660 wrote: give you the chance to participate before I throw you under the bus. Throwing someone under the bus is what SCUM do... | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Please, take everything I say and compare it to everything ever written about scum. When you're done, you can lynch me and watch me flip town. Such nonsense. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
He was the Scum team's MVP, and he was a townie. He last second secured two mislynches, and then promptly died at MYLO to give us the game. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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