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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
His sudden backtracking the instant he came under suspicion also makes me wonder. That's scum getting something to backfire. As for "misinterpreting his definition of 'bus'", you must be high. Contextually, there's only one serious definition for bussing someone. It's not the sort of thing any townie should refer to themselves doing. He should certainly know that, if he wanted to be in on jumping on tube for posting in an anti-town manner. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 18 2012 01:35 Hapahauli wrote: For christ sake Jingle - the backhanded comments are getting rediculous. Exactly how do you think this helps the town? Cut it out. I'll cut it out the second you stop thinking that cardboard crown you got from Burger King proves you're king shit. Did you actually read the posts I referred you to, and try being open minded about them, or were you too busy trying to decide how best to subjugate others to your ego? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Anywho, we can agree to disagree on the Obvious.660 posts. I still believe I'm right, and I'll be pushing for the lynch of YourHarry as previously stated. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 18 2012 01:37 JingleHell wrote: I'll cut it out the second you stop thinking that cardboard crown you got from Burger King proves you're king shit. Did you actually read the posts I referred you to, and try being open minded about them, or were you too busy trying to decide how best to subjugate others to your ego? Since when does pushing for my case constitute "ego?" Its a scumhunt, and I'm going to try to argue to get the scummiest player lynch. You're doing the exact same thing with Obvious.660. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 18 2012 01:43 Hapahauli wrote: Since when does pushing for my case constitute "ego?" Its a scumhunt, and I'm going to try to argue to get the scummiest player lynch. You're doing the exact same thing with Obvious.660. Actually, I'm only arguing because you are. You're trying to persuade people, and in so doing, you've attacked me repeatedly, of course I'm going to return the favor. My arguments against Obvious seem to have stood on their own, as I don't need to con people into agreeing with them. They either agree or they don't, based on the clear, visible things I've commented on. The big difference is that I don't have this compulsion to get everyone to agree with me. If they do, they do, if they don't, they don't. If I'm wrong, (go check my meta) I have a tendency to own up to it, instead of just plowing forward recklessly. You're so busy trying to assert your authority over the entire thread that you ignore anything contrary to your own opinions. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
I think the combination of attempting to pass off his 'sacrificial lamb' case as supportive reasoning for his bad case on tube and the bad case itself are suspicious. Hapa, you made note that his list doesn't spread suspicion on everyone "which is what scum want". That would look retarded if he made a list of why EVERYONE IS SCUM! His summary contains very weak, albeit straightforward, insight into his current reads. Highlights include: - gut feeling - no scummy feelings yet - lurking hard These items are of very little use to town. I'd rather see a case on who he thinks is scum and why. We can't/won't divert attention unless he presents a case that shows someone else is scummier than he is. Making these summary posts is filler and a waste of our time. If he is town, he is doing a poor job of defending himself. YourHarry has not really done much to warrant suspicion aside from lurking to a certain degree. While I agree that lurking looks bad on him, especially in light of his meta, I find Obvious' play to be more scummy at this point in time. Obvious' actual actions show poor cases, backtracking, flawed reasoning and a non-committal summary post. Now, I realize that Jingle is coming off harsh here, but I think he's justified. You're dismissal of the case on Obvious.660 in the quoted post below is precisely why Jingle hates dealing with you. On July 17 2012 23:43 Hapahauli wrote: I believe YourHarry to be a better lynch case than Tube or Obvious.660 at this stage of the game. While Tube has made some suspicious posts, he's waaaaay too upfront/naieve about his suspicious behavior, and comes across as a really really bad townie player. Suspicion alone is not enough to lynch someone - its more important to look for Mafia Motive. Obvious.660 reads as pretty townie to me. He has many lengthy posts, provides clear reasoning for his actions, is playing recklessly. I don't understand the bandwagon at all, and this looks all too similar to the "LYNCH LAZERMONKEY" bandwagon on Day 1 in Newbie Mini Mafia XX. I don't want to spend pages and pages screaming in his defense this game, but I will do if we do this bandwagon shit again. YOU ARE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT, YOU SAID SO YOURSELF. Just because you think YourHarry is a scummy player and Obvious is not scummy, that does NOT give you the right to assume we're bandwagoning him. I have a suspicious read on Obvious, so does perfection, so does Jingle, so does tube. EVEN IF he flips town, you're attitude regarding other people's reads discredits anyone else's ability to post a read that does not match your own. Jingle was town in XX, but because he didn't agree with you, (and you found scum) he was tunneled hard as your scummiest read, almost exclusively because of the fact that he disagreed with you. Had your initial read on me been wrong, I am of the opinion that you STILL would have gone after Jingle based on the way you have responded. Since Jingle has berated you for "being Hapa" you've started to address the case more specifically, but still with the air of someone who knows he's right and won't take no for an answer. This is harmful to town because a) it leads to OMGUS as you may have noticed and b) has the risk of painting you with a huge scum target if your read flips town. If you have a problem with a case and think Obvious is town, try to not say it like we're retards that can't comprehend the situation. I know what a bandwagon is. I might be on one, but my reasons for being here are very clear and I've yet to contribute my vote in any case. If you think we're too strung up on Obvious' case, it may be necessary to develop a defensive case on his behalf to convince us of his towniness. You shouldn't have to, but if its that important that we lynch YourHarry, sometimes you have to convince us that OUR target is town instead of YOUR target is scum | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17984 Posts
V V V V VOTE COUNT!!! Obvious.660 (3): Tube (1): Fulla (1): Hopeless1der iamperfection (1): calgar YourHarry (1): Not yet voted: Fulla, Mufaa, drwiggl3s, YourHarry, Evulrabbitz You have about 6 hours till the deadline. + Show Spoiler [previous count] + On July 17 2012 14:55 Probulous wrote: Vote Count Obvious.660 (2): YourHarry, JingleHell Tube (1): YourHarry (0): You have about 17 hours till the deadline. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
So...I need to actually do work at work I think...I should be back around 2 hours before deadline to review the thread and vote accordingly if necessary. As it stands, I'm fine with my vote on Fulla as I specifically tried to get him talking and he disappeared without addressing my question. It wasn't even policy or reads or anything, I wanted to know about his activity patterns and I've still got nothing on him. If there are any problems/suspicious things in my filter regarding my reads, votes or anything else that isn't directly related to today's lynch please save it for night so we don't clutter the thread during the few hours we have remaining. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
It is true, in average, scums may strategically backtrack. But towns also backtrack. Sometimes without having to explain the reasons. But, I find JingleHell suspicious. I will outline my reason so Hapha doesn't continue to attack me for voting without reason. 1. Three people suddenly stacked on top of Obvious.660.. This was after Obvious posted that he won't be able to come back before deadline. And considering that scums get day-talk on QT, I suspect at least one or these players are likely to be opportune scums. JingleHell did not come across as a person who would find the list of Obvious.660's reads suspicious. It is also difficult to understand why some others found it obviously scummy. 2. Jingle quickly dismisses Hapha's attack on me and Hapha's defense of Obvious. He says it's "Hapha being Hapha". 3. At this point, while I sort of found Jingle suspicious but I was not sure what benefit Jingle would have to dismiss Hapha's attack on me. But soon enough, Jingle says that he is still suspicious of me - preparing for the future mislynch on me. Of course, it is possible that he could be a townie who actually thinks I am scum. But in combination of #1 and #2, Jingle would be my best bet for scum. ##Vote Jingle | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
2: I've already gone into detail on my belief of "Hapa being Hapa", you're failing to address any of that, and just calling that quote shady. 3: I made my (minor) suspicion about you clear quite a while ago. The fact that Hapa was ignoring it doesn't make me reminding him of it sudden, or backtracking. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
This almost looks like an effort to keep votes on you to a minimum by making it look like an OMGUS if I shift my vote, which makes me want to do it, somewhat. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Jingle is playing exactly like he was last game as a townie. Look at my case from last game; he's perfectly capable of blatantly bad advice, lack of reasoning, and anti-town mentality. Yet he flipped town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066¤tpage=21#404 So far, he's as reckless as he was in his town game, and I see no reason to suspect him. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
On July 18 2012 02:29 JingleHell wrote: EBWOP: You are, however, doing an excellent job of making Hapa's case against you more plausible, ironically. This almost looks like an effort to keep votes on you to a minimum by making it look like an OMGUS if I shift my vote, which makes me want to do it, somewhat. I am just doing my thing - trying to scum hunt. You are paranoid or scum  | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
On July 18 2012 02:44 Hapahauli wrote: @ YourHarry: Jingle is playing exactly like he was last game as a townie. Look at my case from last game; he's perfectly capable of blatantly bad advice, lack of reasoning, and anti-town mentality. Yet he flipped town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066¤tpage=21#404 So far, he's as reckless as he was in his town game, and I see no reason to suspect him. If you think this, then uh-oh, you would be even more suspicious of me. I forgot to mention that when 3 people suddenly stacked on Obvious.660, I had my vote on him also, which made 4 votes. 3 sudden votes in the course of one hour, when Obvious.660 made it clear that he won't be able to comeback to defend himself, makes the voters scummy. And I - of course being town- can't help but suspect that scums are pushing Obvious.660 mislynch and then blame me (the first person to accuse Obvious.660 with little reason) for the mislynch. And I am not exactly accusing Jingle for not being logical. I find it suspicious that Jingle is quickly dismissing your defense of Obvious.660 though. So if I am right and some of the scums are quickly targeting Obvious.660, their motivation could be two fold. Obviously to mislynch Obvious.660. And to distract the town from suspecting one of the scums. Who was being accused at the time? Tube. FOS Tube and Jingle. I am OK with either lynch. Maybe we should go with Tube since Jingle has history with some of the players here, which would hopefully make it easier for townies to read if he is mafia indeed. ##Unvote ##Vote tube | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 18 2012 02:44 Hapahauli wrote: @ YourHarry: Jingle is playing exactly like he was last game as a townie. Look at my case from last game; he's perfectly capable of blatantly bad advice, lack of reasoning, and anti-town mentality. Yet he flipped town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066¤tpage=21#404 So far, he's as reckless as he was in his town game, and I see no reason to suspect him. Recklessness is ignoring a DT investigation to stroke your own ego, which one of us did that? Oh right. You. Bad advice, lack of reasoning, and anti-town mentality. Like trying to pressure people into not voting on the guy DT investigated as scum? The guy we lynched for the win? Look who's talking. Get your attitude in check. There's only one of us who's trying to force the town to follow them, and it's you. Your flagrant arrogance almost destroyed town in XX, if we hadn't had a scum get modkilled, and had all listened to you, we probably would have lost, and here you are touting it as a reason people should worship the ground you walk on, while you make idiotic, hypocritical attacks against me. This is why I'll continue to tell you to kiss my ass. | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
But again, it seems almost FASCINATING to me how three people in a row found THIS POST scummy!! Iamperfection: "Isnt posting meaningless lists about every one in the game a way that mafia try to do to buy town cred. By being non commital you are trying to keep you options open so nothing can be used against you later. In fact the first guide that is posted in this thread states that what you just did is something scum do to try and hide. Why would a townie try and do something like that. I would say you are reading a diffrent section of the guide." Jingle: "Your "contribution" is a giant summary post listing each person and a thought about them? Even tube's posting wasn't this bad, because it would have taken him about a week's worth of posting to provide this much clutter. My vote is in the right place, and going nowhere." tube: "Many lengthy posts" doesn't indicate townie in any way [referring to Obvious.660's post]. You call this "clear reasoning"? He still wants to lynch me because supposedly I didn't use enough quotes and should be read more carefully. -No analysis provided-" | ||
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YourHarry
United States1152 Posts
This makes me partially doubt tube and jingle scum team. Straightforward defense of scum partner like this is not very common. But maybe it wasn't [i]that[/] straightforward and even if it was, they could still be scums together. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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tube
United States1475 Posts
Three people found it scummy because it's scummy, how's that fascinating? I don't need anyone to distract the town away from me because nobody had any good reason to lynch me to begin with. If you think otherwise explain, not with some roundabout theory that bases itself on false assumptions. | ||
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