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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Just read through everything.
I would be okay with a lynch on BKE, his contradictory behaviour has been pointed out more than enough here and his absence since then does not help him at all. Would like to see him defend himself though. Right now it just looks like a bandwagon.
casualman should also come back to do some explaining, his post is pretty much downright ridiculous.
Kurumi looks like breadcrumbing to me, no idea what he is trying to convey to us, but that alone is no reason for me to suspect him.
So for now:
FoS: BKE, casualman
There are still a lot of people who have not posted yet, so please GET YOUR ASS IN HERE AND PLAY!
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On June 30 2012 22:33 Hyaach wrote:
its not lurk ville 300. i just have no idea how to play day 1s.
So your solution is to do nothing? I suggest you tell us your thoughts on BM/BKE/Kurumi and take it from there. Plenty to discuss already.
The problem I have with people saying "D1 sucks" or "I have no idea how to play D1" is that this just leads into having nothing to say D1, then having a D2 in which scum has shot some people who did contribute D1 and the non-contributors of D1 are left without anything to say D2 either. This continues until scum wins the game.
The whole point of D1 is to start posting and getting a feel for one another. If half of town lurks, then scum can lurk too and enjoy trying to find the few scum hiding in the giant pile of inactive town. Far better to have people posting and actively scumhunting.
My own opinion on Kurumi: we should just policy lynch people who post an unintelligible jumble of words regardless of alignment until they stop doing it. Kurumi is one of those guys who I cannot get a read on regardless of what he is (bluelightz is another). Not a bad D1 lynch if we lack alternatives. I prefer BM, though.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
EBWOP:
Forgot Bill Muray,
he looks like aggressive playing townie to me, at least for now.
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Nonono, Kurumi lives today. He's trying to help town, if you take the time to try and understand what he's saying.
So far, I know that he'd like for us to consolidate our posts, that he didn't like what BM was pushing me for and (I think) that he finds BKE suspicious. That's more information than I have about a lot of people.
BM is another story and if you guys wanna get a bandwagon going on that guy, I'm all about it. I'm on BKE until further notice, though.
Hyaach, don't worry about "how to play D1's". There's no way to "play D1's", you just play the way you play every day. The only difference is that there's less information and the chance that we'll mislynch is higher. *shrug* No big deal, we just have to try harder...not try less.
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On June 30 2012 23:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nonono, Kurumi lives today. He's trying to help town, if you take the time to try and understand what he's saying.
Would you mind if i decided to communicate exclusively through stickmen draw in paint?
What if everyone did that?
If we took our time then i am sure we could understand the conversation.
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@acro: He's not on my list, because I don't think I've played any games with him yet. However, based on what he's posted so far in this thread, I'd say he's a pretty good addition to the list.
@kurumi: I wear these goggles because they make me look awesome.
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Yeah I get it laya, but kurumi does this shit all the time every game and policy lynching him is only going to make him not play, not change his ways.
Anyway I think it's cute.
It doesn't make him any more likely to be scum. In fact, the last time I saw people using self-imposed restrictions they were town. So like....no. Shut up.
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I'm against lynching Kurumi. Don't know about policy lynch but detective pinkie pie from bastard mafia came to mind here.
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You mean in holy roman mafia?
2 of the self imposed restrictions were mafia (the bard and drazerk) and 1 was SK (p-body). Then caller changed it so that drazerks became part of his role.
It's more about the principle of deliberately being unclear and uncooperative. He is prioritising posting how he likes over trying to help town win the game.
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Layabout what do you think of casual man and hyaach
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On June 30 2012 23:18 Hyaach wrote:
I'm against lynching Kurumi. Don't know about policy lynch but detective pinkie pie from bastard mafia came to mind here.
This is a normal game. Bastard mafia was a bastard game. Bastard games contain ridiculous roles and unsually contain unfair, unbalanced or seriuos game changing mechanics.
There was a big discussion hereabout what normal games should be. The short of it is that normal games don't have that crap and that role is not relevant to this game.
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I trust BillMurray in his case against VisceraEyes and acrofales.
Why? I looked through VE's filter and didn't like it, then saw acrofales jumping in with this to try and defend him:
However, with all the pre-game "policy lynch VE" stuff going on (it was fun, but lets not take that shit seriously), I think scum could be pushing a VE lynch based on shitty evidence like this.
That self-vote stunt wasn't shitty evidence. It was probably planned in egocentrical way by a scum player. I can understand if someone placed his vote on somebody else for no apparent reason, since that will immediately force someone to defend himself (or he can try and make it look like he's lurking).
I don't see how a self-vote would create a good atmoshpere for town. It might all be for shits and giggles pre-game, but ingame it just might be an exaggerated attempt to act like an overconfident townie and just causes confusion.
Also, Acrofales, I find you to be scummy by finding a reason to jump out of cover and defend someone, but finding no reason to make own cases and post reads.
It helps me imagine the option of you trying to cover the scumbuddy who has the role of acting as an overzealous townie.
And when I say overzealous, I don't speak about the value of his posts, but of the sheer amount.
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I didn't like BKE's post until I saw him mentioning the the lynched guy he used to justify his policy lynch discussion about being careful with newbs, that's enough for me as proof that his policy talk was in town's interest and not just some attempt to start a never ending policy discussion. I still cannot be sure of him being townie on the long term, but for now it's enough.
If you asked me who I would vote for right now, then it would be either VE or acrofales.
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casual is probably town because he broke the rules. His vote make me sick to my stomach. He has some explaining to do.
Hyaach need to stop sitting on his ass waiting for someone else to make a case and do something.
I don't get this:
On June 30 2012 15:31 Hyaach wrote:
hi town my second big mafia. Please don't shit it up with spam.
i can't handle that.
On June 30 2012 23:18 Hyaach wrote:
I'm against lynching Kurumi. Don't know about policy lynch but detective pinkie pie from bastard mafia came to mind here.
I cannot give a judgement worth anything about him at this time.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On June 30 2012 23:30 Vivax wrote:I trust BillMurray in his case against VisceraEyes and acrofales. Why? I looked through VE's filter and didn't like it, then saw acrofales jumping in with this to try and defend him: Show nested quote +
However, with all the pre-game "policy lynch VE" stuff going on (it was fun, but lets not take that shit seriously), I think scum could be pushing a VE lynch based on shitty evidence like this.
That self-vote stunt wasn't shitty evidence. It was probably planned in egocentrical way by a scum player. I can understand if someone placed his vote on somebody else for no apparent reason, since that will immediately force someone to defend himself (or he can try and make it look like he's lurking). I don't see how a self-vote would create a good atmoshpere for town. It might all be for shits and giggles pre-game, but ingame it just might be an exaggerated attempt to act like an overconfident townie and just causes confusion. Also, Acrofales, I find you to be scummy by finding a reason to jump out of cover and defend someone, but finding no reason to make own cases and post reads. It helps me imagine the option of you trying to cover the scumbuddy who has the role of acting as an overzealous townie. And when I say overzealous, I don't speak about the value of his posts, but of the sheer amount. ____ I didn't like BKE's post until I saw him mentioning the the lynched guy he used to justify his policy lynch discussion about being careful with newbs, that's enough for me as proof that his policy talk was in town's interest and not just some attempt to start a never ending policy discussion. I still cannot be sure of him being townie on the long term, but for now it's enough. If you asked me who I would vote for right now, then it would be either VE or acrofales.
I find the case agaisnt VE and acrofales pretty weak to be honest, it is just based on a single action which was voting himself and unvoting himself in the same post. It is basically telling you nothing other than VE found the Voting thread and wanted it subscribed so he posted.
Not enough to convince me on lynching him, while BKE and casual still have some explaining to do
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
ebwop:
I also do not see the benefits of scum doing this in the as you described "egocentrical" way. All it does is attract attention, which is pretty much the opposite of what they want to have (in most cases)
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Shiao, maybe that vote was weak for the case to start, but the follow up matters too, just cause a case starts based on a weak claim doesn't mean that the information obtained from the reactions is useless.
VE, can you enlighten me on this one?
On June 30 2012 23:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
BM is another story and if you guys wanna get a bandwagon going on that guy, I'm all about it. I'm on BKE until further notice, though.
You are very consistent in your case against BKE. On the other hand it's a way of looking townie without having to post more information regarding other players.
You have been asking people THREE times for opinions regarding BKE, I gave you mine. If you can't find your three questions 'what do you think of BKE?' then I will gladly post the links to your posts.
To make it short:
VE, why would you support a bandwagon on BM without posting the reasons for it?
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On June 30 2012 23:30 Vivax wrote:
I trust BillMurray in his case against VisceraEyes and acrofales.
Why? I looked through VE's filter and didn't like it, then saw acrofales jumping in with this to try and defend him:
VE can defend himself, but how about you actually say what you didn't like about his filter. At the time I jumped in I got a pretty null read on VE (I have found VE pretty hard to read in any case). Since then I think he actually looks townier, but not going to bet my life on that read.
Show nested quote +
However, with all the pre-game "policy lynch VE" stuff going on (it was fun, but lets not take that shit seriously), I think scum could be pushing a VE lynch based on shitty evidence like this.
That self-vote stunt wasn't shitty evidence. It was probably planned in egocentrical way by a scum player. I can understand if someone placed his vote on somebody else for no apparent reason, since that will immediately force someone to defend himself (or he can try and make it look like he's lurking). I don't see how a self-vote would create a good atmoshpere for town. It might all be for shits and giggles pre-game, but ingame it just might be an exaggerated attempt to act like an overconfident townie and just causes confusion.
I don't really see how a self-vote at the start of D1 creates a bad atmosphere for town either. It's null. How do you figure this for a scum tell? Trumping it up to build a case out of it, however, could be a way to test the bandwagon waters on him. My initial case on BM was not all that strong, I admit, but I didn't like the move and called him out on it with an early vote. I liked his response to my pressure even less.
Also, Acrofales, I find you to be scummy by finding a reason to jump out of cover and defend someone, but finding no reason to make own cases and post reads.
I didn't jump out of cover, I woke up... even hyperactive crazy people like myself need to sleep every now and then. As for my lack of reads, did you even look at my filter? I feel I am being quite seriously misrepresented here...
It helps me imagine the option of you trying to cover the scumbuddy who has the role of acting as an overzealous townie.
And when I say overzealous, I don't speak about the value of his posts, but of the sheer amount.
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I didn't like BKE's post until I saw him mentioning the the lynched guy he used to justify his policy lynch discussion about being careful with newbs, that's enough for me as proof that his policy talk was in town's interest and not just some attempt to start a never ending policy discussion. I still cannot be sure of him being townie on the long term, but for now it's enough.
If you asked me who I would vote for right now, then it would be either VE or acrofales.
Problem with BKE isn't his policy suggestion, which he justified. I disagree with it, but that's neither here nor there. The problem with BKE is that he has completely ignored his own suggestion twice since then. Now I am not a big fan of casualman either, but if BKE wants to give noobs the benefit of the doubt, why is he flipping out and returning the vote immediately: not asking for clarification, but just saying "something as dumb as that can only be scum". Which is exactly what gets noobs lynched in the first place. BKE should know, he got himself lynched with a rather similar move in the noobie game we played (VIII or IX, can never remember numbers).
Btw, I disagree on the reasoning. Something as dumb as casualman (and later drwiggles) have done is a dumbtell, not a scumtell. I am not sure what to make of it, which is why I have a bad feeling about the BKE bandwagon either way and am waiting for BKE, casualman and drwiggles to explain themselves.
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On June 30 2012 23:30 Vivax wrote:
That self-vote stunt wasn't shitty evidence. It was probably planned in egocentrical way by a scum player. I can understand if someone placed his vote on somebody else for no apparent reason, since that will immediately force someone to defend himself (or he can try and make it look like he's lurking).
I don't see how a self-vote would create a good atmoshpere for town. It might all be for shits and giggles pre-game, but ingame it just might be an exaggerated attempt to act like an overconfident townie and just causes confusion.
If you asked me who I would vote for right now, then it would be either VE or acrofales.
This is epicmafia level logic. AKA, not good.
Even if you regarded VE's actions as bad, that does not make acrofales his scumbuddy. Scumbuddies often soft defend, but acrofales did an out and out defense of VE; this does not point to any significant connection between them.
mKmK or BM best lynches, so far.
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On June 30 2012 19:32 Bill Murray wrote:
Acrofales, it's not OMGUS when I have reasoning
You have chainsawed
You have also set up a chance for a weak ass switch to the BW on BKExe
scummy as fuck
##unvote
##vote acro
This is the case on BM.
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On June 30 2012 22:33 Hyaach wrote:
its not lurk ville 300. i just have no idea how to play day 1s.
I'm not talking about you hunny.
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