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Jackal and coag just saying 'tack is scum' didn't do it for me, since at that point I just wasn't convinced jackal was town. As more and more information rolled in or was deduced about how the night hits went down, it became pretty clear that either lemon or tack was red, but I could easily see arguments either way.
Tack's contributions really only started once he got seriously accused, and even then they were only all about how why he wasn't scum. That's totally understandable given how much pressure he was under, but his only substantial posts being defending himself or trying to discredit his attacker? That's questionable.
Lemon had been pretty quiet all game, and as some people pointed out he became SUPER quiet once tack looked like he was going to be lynched. Could be scum hiding and hoping that people just went with things... or maybe he just got busy.
Basically what happened is I became convinced that jackal/coag are town and since they were both pushing tackster so hard (even with somewhat questionable methods) and since they have a circle to plan behind, that pushed me over onto tackster's side. I made the post with my vote and meant to vote along in the voting thread with it but that apparently didn't happen-- luckily (for me, not everyone else) I checked the voting thread like five minutes before the deadline when people started mentioning extra votes and saw that I hadn't voted, so I threw in the vote I had announced earlier. It kind of led to a shitstorm.
Regarding MZ's analysis: I totally acknowledge that I've been inactive and not contributing at all. MZ keeps saying my posts are 'contributing without contributing' but I see them as 'not contributing without contributing'. I've done terribly this game and I know it-- the speed this game moves at is pretty overwhelming.
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I'm glad some of you had the sense to switch to LW, it at least restores some of my faith in town's ability to win this game.
Good job Dumb and Dumber
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Here's Beneather
On March 25 2011 10:34 Beneather wrote:
Well if coag is claiming medic wouldn't that make him scum? Since people don't want to kill the medics since they protect people. But maybe he just wants to keep the town from lynching him. Coagulation is a very random player. He just throws things out there most of the time without explanation and just pure randomness. It's very hard to read what coagulation is doing...
Lol great way to start the game. This post does nothing… I actually don’t know much more to say…
On March 26 2011 03:58 Beneather wrote:
It's really hard to catch up in this thread it just blows by so fast! ahhhhh! Can someone please tell me who are the candidates that are running for mayor?
Oh god another lol post. Is it really that hard to skim the thread to at least know what’s going on?
On March 26 2011 04:43 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 04:03 chaoser wrote:On March 26 2011 03:58 Beneather wrote:
It's really hard to catch up in this thread it just blows by so fast! ahhhhh! Can someone please tell me who are the candidates that are running for mayor?
I didn't even know you were in this game.... That's how good I am :D SOO SNEAKY aha yeah just had stuff to do
Yeah Coag says in the very next post that only scum need to be sneaky… if you are town then you have nothing to fear from posting… I mean come on people -_-
On March 26 2011 09:39 Beneather wrote:
Wait then we would now who to lynch because the winner of the item game would be aligned with either scum town or 3rd Party and we can just lynch the winner of town doesn't get the items right?
Yeah no shit… so you’re saying that it doesn’t matter if the town loses the IG because we get a black and red? Well guess what, using your strategy we lose four greens and all the items.
On March 26 2011 11:45 Beneather wrote:
I think we should just lynch all the IG players (: Bound to get some scum players then and we won't have to worry about items making Mafia win.. So killing all the IG players will probrably help us more than it's going to hurt us..
Really? I hope this is a joke but I don’t think it is from your other posts.
This is Beneather. My brain is full of fuck. He offers scummy plans and that’s all he’s showed us. I honestly don’t know, maybe he is just really bad town but unlike him I’m not to keen on killing off random people without gaining something significant from it. I say right now we should just let him get modkilled tomorrow which is what I’m thinking is gonna happen.
I really want to say he’s scum but right now with his number of posts it just feels more like apathetic townie.
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Tackster
BrownBear
Coagulation
Jackal58
kevconsim
Lemonwalrus
Meapak_Ziphh
Mr. Wiggles
orgolove
RebirthOfLeGenD
tnkted
Amber[LighT]
GGQ
Beneather
Eiii
Insanious
Lemonwalrus
iGrok
deconduo
Tackster
ilovejonn
CubEdIn
bumatlarge
Rean
chaoser
OriginalName
Kavdragon
Lanaia
Kenpachi
I requested that people vote for LW at 9:00 PM EST, 1 hour before lynch
Here are the few that did:
On March 30 2011 10:29 Kenpachi wrote:
##unvote Tackster
##vote LemonWalrus
On March 30 2011 10:25 Lanaia wrote:
##Unvote Tackster
##vote LemonWalrus
On March 30 2011 10:18 Kavdragon wrote:
##Unvote Kenpachi
##Vote Lemonwalrus
On March 30 2011 10:10 OriginalName wrote:
##Unvote Tackster
##Vote LemonWalrus
I don't think mafia would dare change their votes at that point. 6 votes were already on LW, any more off Tack and onto LW might have snowballed. So if LW flips red, these people have earned tons of green points in my book
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On March 30 2011 10:57 Insanious wrote:
##unvote lemon
vote tack
On March 30 2011 10:54 Eiii wrote:
what
##Vote: Tackster
Im guessing that these people look super scummy to you then, Chaoser?
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Here’s what I’m thinking of everyone in the game so far.
[QUOTE]On March 13 2011 03:11 LSB wrote:
Player List
1. RebirthOfLeGenD
2. Jackal58
3. OriginalName
4. Kenpachi
5. deconduo
6. Kavdragon
7. darmousseh Day 1 lynch
8. bumatlarge
9. GMarshal Night 1 Kill
10. Coagulation
11. orgolove
12. chaoser
13. Meapak_Ziphh
14. annul Night 1 Kill
15. kevconsim
16. Mr. Wiggles
17. CubEdIn
18. GGQ
19. ilovejonn
20. Amber[LighT]
21. BrownBear
22. Lemonwalrus
23. Rean
24. tnkted
25. Tackster Day 2 lynch
26. Lanaia
27. iGrok
28. Beneather
29. Insanious
30. Eiii
Green means town, red means mafia, black means third party, people I didn’t bold or color are people I’m not sure about. Tomorrow I’ll probably look at iGrok.
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After thinking a little more I'm also leaning town on RoL, doubt the scum would have the balls to do what he did to Annul. Feel free to ask any questions you want clarified about why I view people a certain way... and yes in case you couldn't tell from the qoute I just copied that from the OP and added my BBcode  . Anyway I'm tired and I'm gonna hit the sack, please don't go insane while I'm gone
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You guys don't get it.
We weren't sure either, it was still a major coin flip between the two.
But the fact that the lynch was so one-sided and the fact that tackster was town 'till death, made me think that we're making a huge mistake.
It doesn't matter that we lynched wrong, what matters is that we tried changing it, and stuff started happening in the last minutes of the lynch. It's obvious that people wanted Tackster to die. People who had no reason to be biased towards any of them at first glance.
So it worked anyway. We revealed some very scummy players. We semi-cleared others. This was 1000 times better than to have the lynch at 22-2.
Also, you're asking why is Jackal not considered? Well, because people risked their lives in order to pull Lemon out of the lynch. If that's not a scum tell then I don't know what is.
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On March 30 2011 13:25 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 11:29 CubEdIn wrote:
It made sense to lynch Lemon because he had the vest and we could've used the extra KP.
That's all the difference it made to me, as well as Tackster's goodbye post.
You guys should've followed the plan. I knew I should've brought in Ver's professor cool picture.
But no matter. No use arguing about what could've been, what should've been. Let's live for the present! The vest thing is what really made me switch my vote. We couldn't just vig LW when Tack flipped scum. We can't. Besides Lemon's scummy-as-all-hell behaviour, he couldn't be killed at night. Wait,... WAIT. Someone could totally steal his vest tonight, no? Then, we could get him vigged. (Obviously, this only works if he's mafia.) But, if we vig LW and he's not scum... then we lose? Jackal, why do you want to die? Part of me thinks you're scum giving up (I do that sometimes). I don't know your play well, so I can't make a full judgment there, but it seems to me you could technically be scum. But... don't give up. I feel you legitimately care about the item game still which leads me to believe you're town, especially moreso that LW. Right... what Mr.Wiggles said about having both Jackal and LW die tonight would be good (I don't see how we can make that happen unless we get a scum faction to help us out. Obv the mafia faction won't help out and it wouldn't be in black's best interests, would it? Sorry guys, this is kind of a stream-of-consciousness. PMS is affecting the logical part of my brain.
Lemon has a bullet proof vest. I don't know all the mechanics of his item but the easiest of the two of us to kill is me.
Decon kiss my ass. If tackster wasn't your room mate you wouldn't give two shits.
Dumb and dumber indeed Mr I'll bus my entire Mafia team cause they think I'm town. 
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I am still extremely concerned with iGrok's rook to E-5 statement from earlier... Why has everyone apparently forgotten about that? WTF was that about?
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On March 30 2011 23:23 tnkted wrote:
I am still extremely concerned with iGrok's rook to E-5 statement from earlier... Why has everyone apparently forgotten about that? WTF was that about?
Looked like a genuine bad joke about the King affair to me.
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On March 30 2011 23:23 tnkted wrote:
I am still extremely concerned with iGrok's rook to E-5 statement from earlier... Why has everyone apparently forgotten about that? WTF was that about?
If it was about anything it would have happened in the night post.
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Decon kiss my ass. If tackster wasn't your room mate you wouldn't give two shits.
Dumb and dumber indeed Mr I'll bus my entire Mafia team cause they think I'm town.
You need to stop making bullshit statements...
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You're right.
Good luck. Good by.
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RoL, where are you peasant??
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Now I have to update my list. Thanks for all of the talking/behaviour. :D
1. RebirthOfLeGenD
2. Jackal58** - [See Lemonwalrus]
3. (OriginalName) - [I can't tell with him anymore.]
4. (Kenpachi)
5. deconduo
6. Kavdragon
7. darmousseh **
8. bumatlarge
9. GMarshal
10. Coagulation** - [See Lemonwalrus]
11. orgolove - Pretty much admitted to not even reading 50 pages. Town wouldn't do that. (likely) [Edit: I mean, reading them before he posts to say he's reading them.]
12. chaoser
13.( Meapak_Ziphh) - [Analyses are contribution more to town and generally acting more proactive and more protown. Also, happy birthday meapak!]
14. annul **
15. (kevconsim)
16. Mr. Wiggles
17. (CubEdIn) - [This one should be obvious.]
18. GGQ
19. (ilovejonn)
20. Amber[LighT] - Amber's getting everyone mixed up and I can't make sense of a lot of their posts.
21. BrownBear - Generally just doesn't seem town.
22. (Lemonwalrus)** - [I'm fairly certain neither Jackal nor Coag is scum, so PoE here.]
23. Rean
24. tnkted
25. (Tackster) ** - [I kind of feel stupid for thinking he was scum.]
26. Lanaia - I know my own alignment.
27. iGrok - iGrok, as scum, I've noticed, you tend to lurk as you are now. I don't feel many things that you've said are a huge asset to town. Speak more.
28. (Beneather) - [Meapak's analysis is actually what I've been thinking about about him for a while now.]
29. (Insanious)
30. (Eiii)
Bold or red (both is i'm not sure of which) = scum, green = townie/blue, italics = unsure.
Bracketed people are the ones I've had to edit.
If you want opinions that I haven't put up there, please say so.
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On March 31 2011 02:14 Lanaia wrote:
Now I have to update my list. Thanks for all of the talking/behaviour. :D
1. RebirthOfLeGenD
2. Jackal58** - [See Lemonwalrus]
3. (OriginalName) - [I can't tell with him anymore.]
4. (Kenpachi)
5. deconduo
6. Kavdragon
7. darmousseh **
8. bumatlarge
9. GMarshal
10. Coagulation** - [See Lemonwalrus]
11. orgolove - Pretty much admitted to not even reading 50 pages. Town wouldn't do that. (likely) [Edit: I mean, reading them before he posts to say he's reading them.]
12. chaoser
13.( Meapak_Ziphh) - [Analyses are contribution more to town and generally acting more proactive and more protown. Also, happy birthday meapak!]
14. annul **
15. (kevconsim)
16. Mr. Wiggles
17. (CubEdIn) - [This one should be obvious.]
18. GGQ
19. (ilovejonn)
20. Amber[LighT] - Amber's getting everyone mixed up and I can't make sense of a lot of their posts.
21. BrownBear - Generally just doesn't seem town.
22. (Lemonwalrus)** - [I'm fairly certain neither Jackal nor Coag is scum, so PoE here.]
23. Rean
24. tnkted
25. (Tackster) ** - [I kind of feel stupid for thinking he was scum.]
26. Lanaia - I know my own alignment.
27. iGrok - iGrok, as scum, I've noticed, you tend to lurk as you are now. I don't feel many things that you've said are a huge asset to town. Speak more.
28. (Beneather) - [Meapak's analysis is actually what I've been thinking about about him for a while now.]
29. (Insanious)
30. (Eiii)
Bold or red (both is i'm not sure of which) = scum, green = townie/blue, italics = unsure.
Bracketed people are the ones I've had to edit.
If you want opinions that I haven't put up there, please say so.
That worked out well... there are 10 scum and ten red/undecided people on your list!
I agree with most of it, except I'm not entirely certain that Jackal is green, and I'm leaning towards green on Insanious. If Jackal is green he sure as hell played a good mafia game!
Oh, and I think GGQ is probably black as well!! He's been acting like it and I don't trust him.
Sorry if this post seems a little heavy on the !! I just drank some coffee and I'm a little hyper! I can't wait to see what happens tonight, i just sent my moves in. Will we win the item game!?
ohboyohboyohboyohboyohboy
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On March 30 2011 21:07 Jackal58 wrote:
Decon kiss my ass. If tackster wasn't your room mate you wouldn't give two shits.
XXXV: Annul tunneled LSB day one with no case. I was the only one that defended him. Town sheeped cos annul shouted louder, LSB the veteran was lynched.
Insane 1: One of the few people who tried to stop town sheeping on Aeres because of LAL. Aeres was obviously not scum but once again no one listened.
When idiots like you convince town to be behave like sheep by spamming the thread, I will always try and stop it. Retardedness is a huge problem in these games. Lynching someone because they aren't part of your circle jerk is dumb, plain and simple. You had no case, Tack had done nothing scummy, he defended himself to the last. You and Coag refused to listen to any logic, reasoning, anything. 2 bots would have given us a better chance of winning the IG.
Happily mafia need to kill you to win the item game, so at least I can look forward to you being dead tomorrow.
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[QUOTE]On March 31 2011 03:13 deconduo wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 30 2011 21:07 Jackal58 wrote:
Decon kiss my ass. If tackster wasn't your room mate you wouldn't give two shits.
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XXXV: Annul tunneled LSB day one with no case. I was the only one that defended him. Town sheeped cos annul shouted louder, LSB the veteran was lynched.
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That's a lie, I was the one that defended LSB in that game deconduo. Don't steal my accomplishments. I even appologized to LSB at the end of the day.
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^^^ Hell fo XXXV, I convinced a large portion of the town to jump off the LSB bandwaggon and almost saved LSB. We only needed I believe 1 more vote to save him.
I PM'ed him an appology for not shouting loud enough, and LSB complimented my play that day.
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