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HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
July 17 2011 05:03 GMT
#301
Wats the results now? only has goody on there....
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 05:56:08
July 17 2011 05:46 GMT
#302
I am all for country/continent pride, but this whole seperation of players by EU/US/Korea etc. is just stupid imo. I would rather have it be would people are judged purely on skill like MC > Idra or Idra > Sen or Kas > Catz etc.. Also these are just examples so don't blow them out of proportion please.
BjC
Profile Joined February 2011
England181 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 09:49:49
July 17 2011 09:47 GMT
#303
Its just alittle frustrating as Americans are usually first to show national pride and chant "U S A, U S A" But seen as Europe is showing ahead of them alot reacently it is becoming a big issue for them and we are made to feel wrong and belittled when we show our pride, it is wrong for it to be like this. Hence people making a fuss. Im all for being united as a community but cheering for your sever or country to do well is only natural. In GSL world team im sure we were mostly all cheering for the World team regardless of nationality as the event was world vs Korea. In an event called Catz vs Europe, of course it is Americans vs Europeans and again national pride will come out. The losing side sould be more gracefull in defeat and allow the victors to celebrate and not be pulled down or made to feel that you shouldnt be celebrating your teams win.

Americans being sore losers fuels the fire of more forum arguements, whats the point. Take it on the chin, hope your players practice more and come back next time and im sure both sides would enjoy it alot more when its an even fight between equal level players.

Personally felt Catz let himself down wanting to cheese and play bad games on bad maps when Kas was really trying to play good games and involve the audience in his strat selection ect. After all it was only a showmatch
Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-17 11:43:37
July 17 2011 11:42 GMT
#304
I just updated the

-VODs,
-replays
-wordclouds
-results etc.
-reuploaded the goody vs catz replays

The game 3 VOD of CatZ vs Kas is unfortunately not available. The file is broken But the replay is still uploaded


Now in the last 3-4 pages there were some real discussions going on. A few people start to realize that this is just a showmatch, not something to measure skill between EU & NA.

so this
EU > NA now l2p
is still a little premature. I really like that Kas wanted to try out different strategies like BC rush or GoOdy style. Same goes for CatZ who wanted to go for Steppes of War as a map. Really appreciate that both players understood the concept of a "Showmatch"

In my opinion a little bit of pride is absolutly okay - talking in absolutes is not. Just appreciate the free HD (rofl) entertainment and enjoy the games
This signature is ruining eSports - -Twitter: @SpecialEndrey
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 17 2011 11:46 GMT
#305
Endrey bring out some protoss for next time
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Christmastaflex
Profile Joined May 2010
United States35 Posts
July 20 2011 19:01 GMT
#306
On July 14 2011 18:24 BjC wrote:
I cant help but think that if any of the series with drewbie or catz was even close then people would be embracing the server pride and loving the games as it brings more enoyment to them. As in the Korea vs the world event in the GSL.

It just seems that because European players are stomping them, the American posters want to shame us for beeing proud that our team is winning. There is nothing wrong with it and if it was someone like Sheth vs Europe and the games were close in skill, then im sure that both sides would be supporting there team loudly and unashamed.

Korea is the top dog as far as players skill comes in. Europe is in front of NA also, It seems that Americans dont want to admit this though and fight or try and belittle posters from europe that say it because really they are ashamed.

Recent NASL - 9 Koreans - 5 Europeans - 1 American ( Strealok was replaced by Alive, so should of been 8 Kor - 6 Euro - 1 NA )
TSL3 - Top 4 finishers - ALL Europe.

Americans Accept that Korea is ahead of them and dont mind when Korean fans show there national pride. Why do they not accept that Europe is also in front of them and why do they get upset when we show our pride also? double standards?


I love how everything turns into a dick measuring contest. You speak of "pride" of "your" team, of which you have no control over. You didn't select to be born in Europe, and I'm quite sure the players in these show matches don't consider themselves part of this "team" your proud to be apart of. I've heard of National Pride, which I myself don't quite completely understand, but Europe Pride? Or server Pride?

This is of individual skill concern. Not continental. We aren't matching what NA considers its top 5 players against the Top 5 of Europe. This is Special Endrey cherry picking sub par players and putting them against players like White-Ra and Kas. Catz is yet to achieve ANYTHING in competitive gaming as a whole, Drewbie placed at an MLG shortly after beta. Yet they are somehow expected to yield results against they dine mega of Europe.

If you really want to a measuring contest then I would suggest showcasing a little more even of a playing field.
All you know about me is what I've sold you.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 19:31:54
July 20 2011 19:31 GMT
#307
Kas vs CatZ, two spellings, one pronounciation.

edit: btw. did they really play 4-2? winner winning the set after an even number of games, that doesn't make any sense.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
July 20 2011 19:55 GMT
#308
On July 21 2011 04:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
Kas vs CatZ, two spellings, one pronounciation.

edit: btw. did they really play 4-2? winner winning the set after an even number of games, that doesn't make any sense.


How does that not make sense? If you play a bo3 and someone wins 2-0, they win the set after an even number of games.

In a bo7, one player can win the first 2 games, and then the other player can win the next 4, and win the entire set with a score of 4-2... also an even number. I don't follow your logic whatsoever...
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 20:09:12
July 20 2011 20:07 GMT
#309
Thanks so much for putting this showmatch series on, Endrey!

Great that you're being proactive organising these and get content out there. Don't listen to the haters, some people will always be unhappy.


On July 21 2011 04:55 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 04:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
Kas vs CatZ, two spellings, one pronounciation.

edit: btw. did they really play 4-2? winner winning the set after an even number of games, that doesn't make any sense.


How does that not make sense? If you play a bo3 and someone wins 2-0, they win the set after an even number of games.

In a bo7, one player can win the first 2 games, and then the other player can win the next 4, and win the entire set with a score of 4-2... also an even number. I don't follow your logic whatsoever...
The only strange thing I see is that Catz vs Goody was a Bo5 but Catz vs Kas was a Bo7.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 20 2011 20:12 GMT
#310
On July 21 2011 05:07 Bobster wrote:
Thanks so much for putting this showmatch series on, Endrey!

Great that you're being proactive organising these and get content out there. Don't listen to the haters, some people will always be unhappy.


Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 04:55 Chicane wrote:
On July 21 2011 04:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
Kas vs CatZ, two spellings, one pronounciation.

edit: btw. did they really play 4-2? winner winning the set after an even number of games, that doesn't make any sense.


How does that not make sense? If you play a bo3 and someone wins 2-0, they win the set after an even number of games.

In a bo7, one player can win the first 2 games, and then the other player can win the next 4, and win the entire set with a score of 4-2... also an even number. I don't follow your logic whatsoever...
The only strange thing I see is that Catz vs Goody was a Bo5 but Catz vs Kas was a Bo7.



Ah, nvm. Mindfart on my end, has been a long day. ^^"
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
July 20 2011 20:28 GMT
#311
On July 17 2011 13:21 ct2299 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 17:35 TT1 wrote:
catz is a really underrated player, plz give him a chance and stop being so harsh ^^


Underrated is when you win shit and people still don't give you credit. CatZ has not come close to winning anything respected by himself in any important tournament. He can't even get out of open bracket in MLG when most respectable players do.


Thats not fair, the open bracket at MLG is proberly one of the hardest tournament to qualify true. The amount of matches they have to play in very little timespan is preatty harsh. check Thorzain fanpage if you wanna know how it is as a player to go true the open mlg bracket.

Endrey keep it up its a nice show and get seth or idra next:D
Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
July 21 2011 15:34 GMT
#312
just a small update we will continue with the showmatch series when MLG is over
This signature is ruining eSports - -Twitter: @SpecialEndrey
sLBraemar
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada285 Posts
July 21 2011 15:36 GMT
#313
Well, at least CatZ is doing better than drewbie did ;D
Don't wait for an opportunity to come to you, create your own.
hiyo_bye
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States737 Posts
July 21 2011 15:44 GMT
#314
didn't get to watch but CatZ is awesome, was afraid kas would sweep the series but I'm very glad catz put up a fight. better luck next time!
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sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
July 24 2011 12:47 GMT
#315
On July 06 2011 23:16 Linwelin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 23:11 BansheeDK wrote:
Even though every series was pretty one-sided (Awesome last game though), you did a great job last time Endrey

Definitely looking forward to this.

Is it possible that you could get some less good players this time? I mean Drewbie got completely man-handled last time and i think a lot of people would like to see more even games. I love seeing games with Kas, but he is too good for both Drewbie and CatZ. Is it possible to get a mid-GM player for the next series instead of a top-player?

Either way, I will be tuning in!


Drewbie and Catz might not be as good as Kas or White-Ra but saying that it would be good to invite a ''mid GM'' player in order to give them a chance is insulting to both Catz and Drewbie



but its still a fact that drewbie didnt have anything to throw against these elite players in europe

he just didnt have a chance against really good players
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ZergFarm
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany62 Posts
August 22 2011 14:29 GMT
#316
Will the series go on ?
I realy like Endrey's casts and a nice show match is always good :D
Also catz/drewbie vs. europe is a very good concept. A little bit sad that europe always won so far but maybe it will change. Catz can play like a beast !
Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
August 30 2011 13:47 GMT
#317
UPDATE

I updated the OP - we are continuing today!

After quite a long break due to MLGs, Blizzard Invitationals, Gamescom etc. we were not able to schedule a match right away, but today we are! (Z)CatZ will be playing against (P)White-Ra!

This signature is ruining eSports - -Twitter: @SpecialEndrey
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
August 30 2011 14:07 GMT
#318
They should do this with a US player that actually stands a chance... else it's kinda boring tbh.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
August 30 2011 14:17 GMT
#319
On August 30 2011 22:47 Special Endrey wrote:
UPDATE

I updated the OP - we are continuing today!

After quite a long break due to MLGs, Blizzard Invitationals, Gamescom etc. we were not able to schedule a match right away, but today we are! (Z)CatZ will be playing against (P)White-Ra!




TL calendar please Andrey !
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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
August 30 2011 14:20 GMT
#320
On August 30 2011 22:47 Special Endrey wrote:
UPDATE

I updated the OP - we are continuing today!

After quite a long break due to MLGs, Blizzard Invitationals, Gamescom etc. we were not able to schedule a match right away, but today we are! (Z)CatZ will be playing against (P)White-Ra!



I'm sorry, but I don't see this ending well for CatZ Not hatin' but WhiteRa... well,

He makes expand, then he defenses it. It's a fool proof tactic.
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