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Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
July 13 2011 22:11 GMT
#261
The discussion about skill and manner aside, I have to give props to Kas for wanting to show entertaining games more than wanting to win. He's been saying so since the very first set and has tried in most games (BC rush, mech build suggested by stream viewers etc.). Well played, deserved win.

Thanks to Endrey for this event .
flummi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany71 Posts
July 13 2011 22:14 GMT
#262
On July 14 2011 07:10 MrCon wrote:
Well, Endrey choosing steppes when Kas allow him to pick any map is also a dumb move for the players and the viewers.

well, CatZ wanted steppes
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
July 13 2011 22:15 GMT
#263
On July 14 2011 06:24 mechavoc wrote:
Overall in reading this and the Drewbie thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.

I always thought the production small minded xenophobic BM filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.

Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)

So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not

That's a bit silly. You'll find the same idiots everywhere in the world. There might be a slight difference in how they express their stupid opinions (American ones like to wave flags and talk about freedom, Italian ones are plain ol' racists and the Germans just seem to want some lebensraum) but they're basically the same.

I imagine most Europeans find it quite cringeworthy to read these EU»US comments. I know I do.
IdrA: " my fans are kinda retarded"
alphafuzard
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1610 Posts
July 13 2011 22:16 GMT
#264
On July 14 2011 07:10 MrCon wrote:
Well, Endrey choosing steppes when Kas allow him to pick any map is also a dumb move for the players and the viewers.

afaik Catz picked steppes not Endrey? but I could be wrong
more weight
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
July 13 2011 22:18 GMT
#265
Catz, although is a known player and a respected figure in the community might not be the best representation of "America". I don't know why people turn this into an US vs EU thing like in the drewbie thread. Drewbie was simply outclassed and if Catz wants to play vs top in EU, he will sadly lose more then win =\.
https://twitter.com/quanticfograw
vilg
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark413 Posts
July 13 2011 22:19 GMT
#266
catz/drewbie vs europe: 4-23

catz doubled their map score today. Probably wouldnt have happened in a real series though :D
whaty0uwant
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand346 Posts
July 13 2011 22:25 GMT
#267
On July 14 2011 07:15 flodeskum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 06:24 mechavoc wrote:
Overall in reading this and the Drewbie thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.

I always thought the production small minded xenophobic BM filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.

Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)

So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not

That's a bit silly. You'll find the same idiots everywhere in the world. There might be a slight difference in how they express their stupid opinions (American ones like to wave flags and talk about freedom, Italian ones are plain ol' racists and the Germans just seem to want some lebensraum) but they're basically the same.

I imagine most Europeans find it quite cringeworthy to read these EU»US comments. I know I do.


Nah we don't.
Amlitzer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States471 Posts
July 13 2011 22:27 GMT
#268
On July 14 2011 06:24 mechavoc wrote:
Overall in reading this and the Drewbie thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.

I always thought the production small minded xenophobic BM filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.

Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)

So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not


Xenophobia existed in Europe thousands of years before America was even discovered. Also, your opinion is automatically shit for not liking David Hasselhoff in "Hooked on a Feeling".
"Not even justice, I want to get truth!"
busbarn
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden984 Posts
July 13 2011 22:28 GMT
#269
On July 14 2011 07:15 flodeskum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 06:24 mechavoc wrote:
Overall in reading this and the Drewbie thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.

I always thought the production small minded xenophobic BM filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.

Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)

So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not

....

I imagine most Europeans find it quite cringeworthy to read these EU»US comments. I know I do.

I do aswell. Everytime I read a topic about it in any kind of forum, there's always trolling and hating.

Many of the replies in this thread is worthless. It's not about which continent is better, it's a couple of showmatches for your entertainment. Let CatZ play against a few top EU players and enjoy, discuss the games etc. No need for the negativity.
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 22:38:50
July 13 2011 22:35 GMT
#270

Results

+ Show Spoiler +


Drewbie 1-4 White-Ra
Drewbie 0-3 BeastyQt
Drewbie 1-3 Dimaga
Drewbie 0-3 Kas
Drewbie 0-3 GoOdy
CatZ 0-3 GoOdy
CatZ 2-4 Kas

Drewbie / CatZ 4-23 Europe


European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
July 13 2011 22:37 GMT
#271
On July 14 2011 07:16 alphafuzard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 07:10 MrCon wrote:
Well, Endrey choosing steppes when Kas allow him to pick any map is also a dumb move for the players and the viewers.

afaik Catz picked steppes not Endrey? but I could be wrong

In the chat Endrey said "You asked me to pick any map, so assume the consequences :p"
HaRxTears
Profile Joined January 2011
141 Posts
July 13 2011 22:37 GMT
#272
Diabolus Spoiler it -_-
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 22:40:54
July 13 2011 22:40 GMT
#273
On July 14 2011 07:37 HaRxTears wrote:
Diabolus Spoiler it -_-


done, sry.


CatZ vs Socke

next plz!
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
HaRxTears
Profile Joined January 2011
141 Posts
July 13 2011 22:55 GMT
#274
Thank you Diabo.

Catz vs a Protoss next ShowMatch? Sase? Socke? Mana? Hasu? Tod? Nani? Grubby? Adel?

Maybe ZvZ? Stephano? Nerchio? Dimaga? Naugrim? Darkforce? XLord? Moman? Delphi?

OR another Terran? Beastyqt? Thorzain? BratOk? Tarson? Sjow? Merz? Happy?

I think a match against Grubby would be nice
GoGo endrey!
provrorsbarn
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden766 Posts
July 13 2011 23:32 GMT
#275
Yeah Socke would be awesome.....also i find Sase to be intresting aswell....dunno if he likes showmatches though....but White-ra is ofc the ideal

also pick "normal" maps.....steppes? cmon
Im just a zerg
Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
July 14 2011 03:22 GMT
#276
On July 06 2011 23:41 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 23:36 Linwelin wrote:
On July 06 2011 23:31 BansheeDK wrote:
On July 06 2011 23:16 Linwelin wrote:
On July 06 2011 23:11 BansheeDK wrote:
Even though every series was pretty one-sided (Awesome last game though), you did a great job last time Endrey

Definitely looking forward to this.

Is it possible that you could get some less good players this time? I mean Drewbie got completely man-handled last time and i think a lot of people would like to see more even games. I love seeing games with Kas, but he is too good for both Drewbie and CatZ. Is it possible to get a mid-GM player for the next series instead of a top-player?

Either way, I will be tuning in!


Drewbie and Catz might not be as good as Kas or White-Ra but saying that it would be good to invite a ''mid GM'' player in order to give them a chance is insulting to both Catz and Drewbie

How is that insulting? Drewbie is currently ranked 84 on NA GM ladder which I would say is around mid-GM level. Why should he be expected to beat a player like Kas who is consistently top10 on EU ladder. Especially if we consider the general consensus that EU > NA (Even Drewbie said so after his vs. EU showmatch series).

Besides, being mid-level in grandmasters still means that you are a very good player. I wasn't trying to insult CatZ or Drewbie. I have just seen a lot of comments asking for more even opponents instead of EU's finest.


Ladder points =/= how good a player is
Slush is ranked 74th, yet he did very well last MLG. Destiny is 48th, does that mean he's a better player than slush? I don't think so



some ppl play ladder, some dont. dont judge players who do not play ladder on their ladder ranking oO
drewbie is ez top 20 NA player.


And what does that say about NA players...
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SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 04:03:17
July 14 2011 04:03 GMT
#277
On July 14 2011 12:22 Rylaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 23:41 DiaBoLuS wrote:
On July 06 2011 23:36 Linwelin wrote:
On July 06 2011 23:31 BansheeDK wrote:
On July 06 2011 23:16 Linwelin wrote:
On July 06 2011 23:11 BansheeDK wrote:
Even though every series was pretty one-sided (Awesome last game though), you did a great job last time Endrey

Definitely looking forward to this.

Is it possible that you could get some less good players this time? I mean Drewbie got completely man-handled last time and i think a lot of people would like to see more even games. I love seeing games with Kas, but he is too good for both Drewbie and CatZ. Is it possible to get a mid-GM player for the next series instead of a top-player?

Either way, I will be tuning in!


Drewbie and Catz might not be as good as Kas or White-Ra but saying that it would be good to invite a ''mid GM'' player in order to give them a chance is insulting to both Catz and Drewbie

How is that insulting? Drewbie is currently ranked 84 on NA GM ladder which I would say is around mid-GM level. Why should he be expected to beat a player like Kas who is consistently top10 on EU ladder. Especially if we consider the general consensus that EU > NA (Even Drewbie said so after his vs. EU showmatch series).

Besides, being mid-level in grandmasters still means that you are a very good player. I wasn't trying to insult CatZ or Drewbie. I have just seen a lot of comments asking for more even opponents instead of EU's finest.


Ladder points =/= how good a player is
Slush is ranked 74th, yet he did very well last MLG. Destiny is 48th, does that mean he's a better player than slush? I don't think so



some ppl play ladder, some dont. dont judge players who do not play ladder on their ladder ranking oO
drewbie is ez top 20 NA player.


And what does that say about NA players...


That he lost to all top 20 Euro players as well?
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
July 14 2011 06:17 GMT
#278
On July 14 2011 13:03 SniXSniPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 12:22 Rylaji wrote:
On July 06 2011 23:41 DiaBoLuS wrote:
On July 06 2011 23:36 Linwelin wrote:
On July 06 2011 23:31 BansheeDK wrote:
On July 06 2011 23:16 Linwelin wrote:
On July 06 2011 23:11 BansheeDK wrote:
Even though every series was pretty one-sided (Awesome last game though), you did a great job last time Endrey

Definitely looking forward to this.

Is it possible that you could get some less good players this time? I mean Drewbie got completely man-handled last time and i think a lot of people would like to see more even games. I love seeing games with Kas, but he is too good for both Drewbie and CatZ. Is it possible to get a mid-GM player for the next series instead of a top-player?

Either way, I will be tuning in!


Drewbie and Catz might not be as good as Kas or White-Ra but saying that it would be good to invite a ''mid GM'' player in order to give them a chance is insulting to both Catz and Drewbie

How is that insulting? Drewbie is currently ranked 84 on NA GM ladder which I would say is around mid-GM level. Why should he be expected to beat a player like Kas who is consistently top10 on EU ladder. Especially if we consider the general consensus that EU > NA (Even Drewbie said so after his vs. EU showmatch series).

Besides, being mid-level in grandmasters still means that you are a very good player. I wasn't trying to insult CatZ or Drewbie. I have just seen a lot of comments asking for more even opponents instead of EU's finest.


Ladder points =/= how good a player is
Slush is ranked 74th, yet he did very well last MLG. Destiny is 48th, does that mean he's a better player than slush? I don't think so



some ppl play ladder, some dont. dont judge players who do not play ladder on their ladder ranking oO
drewbie is ez top 20 NA player.


And what does that say about NA players...


That he lost to all top 20 Euro players as well?


Keep telling yourself that
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
July 14 2011 07:01 GMT
#279
On July 14 2011 07:28 busbarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 07:15 flodeskum wrote:
On July 14 2011 06:24 mechavoc wrote:
Overall in reading this and the Drewbie thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.

I always thought the production small minded xenophobic BM filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.

Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)

So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not

....

I imagine most Europeans find it quite cringeworthy to read these EU»US comments. I know I do.

I do aswell. Everytime I read a topic about it in any kind of forum, there's always trolling and hating.

Many of the replies in this thread is worthless. It's not about which continent is better, it's a couple of showmatches for your entertainment. Let CatZ play against a few top EU players and enjoy, discuss the games etc. No need for the negativity.


i agree, its the most useless discussion ever EU vs NA. It's been like that in all games i assume (personally experienced it a lot in CS, but MOST in WoW) and its retarded lol. Especially if they start bringing in work situations and social service etc...

Can't we just enjoy some fun games, which both players tried to bring to the audience, instead of bitching just for the sake of bitching.
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
July 14 2011 07:07 GMT
#280
On July 14 2011 16:01 Mithriel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 07:28 busbarn wrote:
On July 14 2011 07:15 flodeskum wrote:
On July 14 2011 06:24 mechavoc wrote:
Overall in reading this and the Drewbie thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.

I always thought the production small minded xenophobic BM filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.

Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)

So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not

....

I imagine most Europeans find it quite cringeworthy to read these EU»US comments. I know I do.

I do aswell. Everytime I read a topic about it in any kind of forum, there's always trolling and hating.

Many of the replies in this thread is worthless. It's not about which continent is better, it's a couple of showmatches for your entertainment. Let CatZ play against a few top EU players and enjoy, discuss the games etc. No need for the negativity.


i agree, its the most useless discussion ever EU vs NA. It's been like that in all games i assume (personally experienced it a lot in CS, but MOST in WoW) and its retarded lol. Especially if they start bringing in work situations and social service etc...

Can't we just enjoy some fun games, which both players tried to bring to the audience, instead of bitching just for the sake of bitching.


NO. US R BEST.

Note: Fun series. Endrey is a coooool person.
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