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The discussion about skill and manner aside, I have to give props to Kas for wanting to show entertaining games more than wanting to win. He's been saying so since the very first set and has tried in most games (BC rush, mech build suggested by stream viewers etc.). Well played, deserved win.
Thanks to Endrey for this event  .
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On July 14 2011 07:10 MrCon wrote:
Well, Endrey choosing steppes when Kas allow him to pick any map is also a dumb move for the players and the viewers.
well, CatZ wanted steppes
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On July 14 2011 06:24 mechavoc wrote:
Overall in reading this and the Drewbie thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.
I always thought the production small minded xenophobic BM filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.
Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)
So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not
That's a bit silly. You'll find the same idiots everywhere in the world. There might be a slight difference in how they express their stupid opinions (American ones like to wave flags and talk about freedom, Italian ones are plain ol' racists and the Germans just seem to want some lebensraum) but they're basically the same.
I imagine most Europeans find it quite cringeworthy to read these EU»US comments. I know I do.
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On July 14 2011 07:10 MrCon wrote:
Well, Endrey choosing steppes when Kas allow him to pick any map is also a dumb move for the players and the viewers.
afaik Catz picked steppes not Endrey? but I could be wrong
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Catz, although is a known player and a respected figure in the community might not be the best representation of "America". I don't know why people turn this into an US vs EU thing like in the drewbie thread. Drewbie was simply outclassed and if Catz wants to play vs top in EU, he will sadly lose more then win =\.
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catz/drewbie vs europe: 4-23
catz doubled their map score today. Probably wouldnt have happened in a real series though :D
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On July 14 2011 07:15 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 06:24 mechavoc wrote:
Overall in reading this and the Drewbie thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.
I always thought the production small minded xenophobic BM filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.
Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)
So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not That's a bit silly. You'll find the same idiots everywhere in the world. There might be a slight difference in how they express their stupid opinions (American ones like to wave flags and talk about freedom, Italian ones are plain ol' racists and the Germans just seem to want some lebensraum) but they're basically the same. I imagine most Europeans find it quite cringeworthy to read these EU»US comments. I know I do.
Nah we don't.
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On July 14 2011 06:24 mechavoc wrote:
Overall in reading this and the Drewbie thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.
I always thought the production small minded xenophobic BM filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.
Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)
So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not
Xenophobia existed in Europe thousands of years before America was even discovered. Also, your opinion is automatically shit for not liking David Hasselhoff in "Hooked on a Feeling".
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On July 14 2011 07:15 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 06:24 mechavoc wrote:
Overall in reading this and the Drewbie thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.
I always thought the production small minded xenophobic BM filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.
Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)
So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not .... I imagine most Europeans find it quite cringeworthy to read these EU»US comments. I know I do.
I do aswell. Everytime I read a topic about it in any kind of forum, there's always trolling and hating.
Many of the replies in this thread is worthless. It's not about which continent is better, it's a couple of showmatches for your entertainment. Let CatZ play against a few top EU players and enjoy, discuss the games etc. No need for the negativity.
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Results+ Show Spoiler + Drewbie 1-4 White-Ra  Drewbie 0-3 BeastyQt Drewbie 1-3 Dimaga  Drewbie 0-3 Kas Drewbie 0-3 GoOdy CatZ 0-3 GoOdy CatZ 2-4 Kas Drewbie / CatZ 4-23 Europe
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On July 14 2011 07:16 alphafuzard wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 07:10 MrCon wrote:
Well, Endrey choosing steppes when Kas allow him to pick any map is also a dumb move for the players and the viewers. afaik Catz picked steppes not Endrey? but I could be wrong
In the chat Endrey said "You asked me to pick any map, so assume the consequences :p"
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On July 14 2011 07:37 HaRxTears wrote:
Diabolus Spoiler it -_-
done, sry.
CatZ vs Socke
next plz!
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Thank you Diabo.
Catz vs a Protoss next ShowMatch? Sase? Socke? Mana? Hasu? Tod? Nani? Grubby? Adel?
Maybe ZvZ? Stephano? Nerchio? Dimaga? Naugrim? Darkforce? XLord? Moman? Delphi?
OR another Terran? Beastyqt? Thorzain? BratOk? Tarson? Sjow? Merz? Happy?
I think a match against Grubby would be nice
GoGo endrey!
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Yeah Socke would be awesome.....also i find Sase to be intresting aswell....dunno if he likes showmatches though....but White-ra is ofc the ideal
also pick "normal" maps.....steppes? cmon
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On July 06 2011 23:41 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 23:36 Linwelin wrote:On July 06 2011 23:31 BansheeDK wrote:On July 06 2011 23:16 Linwelin wrote:On July 06 2011 23:11 BansheeDK wrote:Even though every series was pretty one-sided (Awesome last game though), you did a great job last time Endrey Definitely looking forward to this. Is it possible that you could get some less good players this time? I mean Drewbie got completely man-handled last time and i think a lot of people would like to see more even games. I love seeing games with Kas, but he is too good for both Drewbie and CatZ. Is it possible to get a mid-GM player for the next series instead of a top-player? Either way, I will be tuning in! Drewbie and Catz might not be as good as Kas or White-Ra but saying that it would be good to invite a ''mid GM'' player in order to give them a chance is insulting to both Catz and Drewbie How is that insulting? Drewbie is currently ranked 84 on NA GM ladder which I would say is around mid-GM level. Why should he be expected to beat a player like Kas who is consistently top10 on EU ladder. Especially if we consider the general consensus that EU > NA (Even Drewbie said so after his vs. EU showmatch series). Besides, being mid-level in grandmasters still means that you are a very good player. I wasn't trying to insult CatZ or Drewbie. I have just seen a lot of comments asking for more even opponents instead of EU's finest. Ladder points =/= how good a player is Slush is ranked 74th, yet he did very well last MLG. Destiny is 48th, does that mean he's a better player than slush? I don't think so some ppl play ladder, some dont. dont judge players who do not play ladder on their ladder ranking oO drewbie is ez top 20 NA player.
And what does that say about NA players...
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On July 14 2011 12:22 Rylaji wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2011 23:41 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 06 2011 23:36 Linwelin wrote:On July 06 2011 23:31 BansheeDK wrote:On July 06 2011 23:16 Linwelin wrote:On July 06 2011 23:11 BansheeDK wrote:Even though every series was pretty one-sided (Awesome last game though), you did a great job last time Endrey Definitely looking forward to this. Is it possible that you could get some less good players this time? I mean Drewbie got completely man-handled last time and i think a lot of people would like to see more even games. I love seeing games with Kas, but he is too good for both Drewbie and CatZ. Is it possible to get a mid-GM player for the next series instead of a top-player? Either way, I will be tuning in! Drewbie and Catz might not be as good as Kas or White-Ra but saying that it would be good to invite a ''mid GM'' player in order to give them a chance is insulting to both Catz and Drewbie How is that insulting? Drewbie is currently ranked 84 on NA GM ladder which I would say is around mid-GM level. Why should he be expected to beat a player like Kas who is consistently top10 on EU ladder. Especially if we consider the general consensus that EU > NA (Even Drewbie said so after his vs. EU showmatch series). Besides, being mid-level in grandmasters still means that you are a very good player. I wasn't trying to insult CatZ or Drewbie. I have just seen a lot of comments asking for more even opponents instead of EU's finest. Ladder points =/= how good a player is Slush is ranked 74th, yet he did very well last MLG. Destiny is 48th, does that mean he's a better player than slush? I don't think so some ppl play ladder, some dont. dont judge players who do not play ladder on their ladder ranking oO drewbie is ez top 20 NA player. And what does that say about NA players...
That he lost to all top 20 Euro players as well?
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On July 14 2011 13:03 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 12:22 Rylaji wrote:On July 06 2011 23:41 DiaBoLuS wrote:On July 06 2011 23:36 Linwelin wrote:On July 06 2011 23:31 BansheeDK wrote:On July 06 2011 23:16 Linwelin wrote:On July 06 2011 23:11 BansheeDK wrote:Even though every series was pretty one-sided (Awesome last game though), you did a great job last time Endrey Definitely looking forward to this. Is it possible that you could get some less good players this time? I mean Drewbie got completely man-handled last time and i think a lot of people would like to see more even games. I love seeing games with Kas, but he is too good for both Drewbie and CatZ. Is it possible to get a mid-GM player for the next series instead of a top-player? Either way, I will be tuning in! Drewbie and Catz might not be as good as Kas or White-Ra but saying that it would be good to invite a ''mid GM'' player in order to give them a chance is insulting to both Catz and Drewbie How is that insulting? Drewbie is currently ranked 84 on NA GM ladder which I would say is around mid-GM level. Why should he be expected to beat a player like Kas who is consistently top10 on EU ladder. Especially if we consider the general consensus that EU > NA (Even Drewbie said so after his vs. EU showmatch series). Besides, being mid-level in grandmasters still means that you are a very good player. I wasn't trying to insult CatZ or Drewbie. I have just seen a lot of comments asking for more even opponents instead of EU's finest. Ladder points =/= how good a player is Slush is ranked 74th, yet he did very well last MLG. Destiny is 48th, does that mean he's a better player than slush? I don't think so some ppl play ladder, some dont. dont judge players who do not play ladder on their ladder ranking oO drewbie is ez top 20 NA player. And what does that say about NA players... That he lost to all top 20 Euro players as well?
Keep telling yourself that 
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On July 14 2011 07:28 busbarn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 07:15 flodeskum wrote:On July 14 2011 06:24 mechavoc wrote:
Overall in reading this and the Drewbie thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.
I always thought the production small minded xenophobic BM filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.
Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)
So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not .... I imagine most Europeans find it quite cringeworthy to read these EU»US comments. I know I do. I do aswell. Everytime I read a topic about it in any kind of forum, there's always trolling and hating. Many of the replies in this thread is worthless. It's not about which continent is better, it's a couple of showmatches for your entertainment. Let CatZ play against a few top EU players and enjoy, discuss the games etc. No need for the negativity.
i agree, its the most useless discussion ever EU vs NA. It's been like that in all games i assume (personally experienced it a lot in CS, but MOST in WoW) and its retarded lol. Especially if they start bringing in work situations and social service etc...
Can't we just enjoy some fun games, which both players tried to bring to the audience, instead of bitching just for the sake of bitching.
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On July 14 2011 16:01 Mithriel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 07:28 busbarn wrote:On July 14 2011 07:15 flodeskum wrote:On July 14 2011 06:24 mechavoc wrote:
Overall in reading this and the Drewbie thread my view of Euro posters has changed significantly.
I always thought the production small minded xenophobic BM filled troll posters was primarily an American phenomena. Apparently European posters poses the same capacity and, like the adoration of David Hasselhoff, have adopted this sad bit of American "culture" as well.
Players are people not machines they have good days and bad days. They go through up cycles and down cycles SC2 is a hard game to master and as a result people go through rough losing streaks. Jinro for example was the best of the best for a while and now is back to the drawing board with recent struggles. Does that mean he is a horrible player? (Obviously not)
So in the future perhaps people can attempt to recognize the difference between criticizing specific game play and criticizing a player? One is constructive the other is not .... I imagine most Europeans find it quite cringeworthy to read these EU»US comments. I know I do. I do aswell. Everytime I read a topic about it in any kind of forum, there's always trolling and hating. Many of the replies in this thread is worthless. It's not about which continent is better, it's a couple of showmatches for your entertainment. Let CatZ play against a few top EU players and enjoy, discuss the games etc. No need for the negativity. i agree, its the most useless discussion ever EU vs NA. It's been like that in all games i assume (personally experienced it a lot in CS, but MOST in WoW) and its retarded lol. Especially if they start bringing in work situations and social service etc... Can't we just enjoy some fun games, which both players tried to bring to the audience, instead of bitching just for the sake of bitching.
NO. US R BEST.
Note: Fun series. Endrey is a coooool person.
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