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@BC:
Hi Palmar. You wanted to trade 1 for 1 with ace, he flipped town. As such you should flip red.
No you.
Again you repeat that you are expecting to die, almost as if your fine with it. He flipped town and now your instantly backstepping your position. Blatant scum move to never intent on upholding a deal you had struck originally. A townie would realize his mistake and appear almost sorry for the mistake made instead you respond with
What has that got to do with anything. Both alignments benefit from not being lynched. Stop being an asshole.
Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 02:04 Palmar wrote:
First of all, I'm leaning town on sandroba now, especially after syllogism flipped. This means I put more value into any case presented by sandroba. He did ask me during the night about Zeks, to which I responded newbie town after skimming very fast over the Zeks's posts. When sandroba pointed out he wasn't a newbie, I re-classified him as null read.
I don't lynch null reads.
I don't lynch solely on clues.
I don't lynch lurkers for lurking.
But when someone does nothing to look town, has clues pointing against him, and just disappears off the face of the earth for the entire night, I think I have a reason to vote for him. When you combine three reasons who might not be individually be enough to lynch someone,
He has done nothing to prove his alignment either way and has only 1 clue pointing at him.. THIS IS A NULL READ. You are literally doing exactly what you said you don't do. Jesus Palmar. If it wasn't for the fact you hid gems like this in giant posts near no one reads you you'd get away with it. Once you kill the few people who can read you might be able to just type your red alignment repeatedly in your long posts.
Gems, what? The entire point of the post was to outline that individually the reasons aren't good enough for lynching, however when all of them are found together in one person, it is.
You're just pulling shit out of context.
anyone look above to my posts. He says here that he did not expect ace to be modkilled. Meanwhile he was going to force the hosts to choose between them as players. This is not the attitude of someone you want to keep alive. You asked EVERY MED to protect him rather than just say "sheriff jail this guy". Why ask for all meds to do a job when 1 player can protect fully for a night?
My stance on rules has nothing to do with my alignment. Editing posts can ONLY affect yourself. What Ace did affected me. So I don't put them at equal value. But I don't want to discuss the rules in the thread.
I didn't ask every medic to protect him, I gave a general notion towards medics in the game that Ace was deserving of a protection. Stop trying to make up stuff that isn't there.
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On November 30 2011 00:54 supersoft wrote:
sandroba, kurumi, syllogismus, ace, palmar, BC, jackal, kita, redFF and wbg are the only players in this game that are fun to play with and half of them are dead and palmar is scum :-(
Stuff like this makes newbies hold back on posting, resulting in less contributing , resulting in the statement above.
Hard to contribute when there is so much insta-spam between old vets and angry zombies posting from the death.......
I know i'm sure on my votes for Risen and Hier will result in two dead scummies.
As for the rest, im clueless at the moment as im not even sure who is modkilled or gonna be modkilled..........
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On November 30 2011 00:59 supersoft wrote:
look at your filter. it's so sad.
Compared to your filter, which is nothing but you whining, bitching, moaning, and name-calling. It's no wonder new players don't like to play here when "veteran" players such as yourself act like immature ten year olds.
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btw, i'll post some reasons why i decided to vote palmar.
mostly because of his passive behaviour and aces vigflip.
i think BC really jailed ace and saved him, while palmar is scum and wanted to doublestack him through the medprotection.
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On November 30 2011 01:03 supersoft wrote:
btw, i'll post some reasons why i decided to vote palmar.
mostly because of his passive behaviour and aces vigflip.
i think BC really jailed ace and saved him, while palmar is scum and wanted to doublestack him through the medprotection.
I give up on humanity.
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Wait..when was Palmar passive? He's the most active person in this game
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On November 30 2011 01:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 01:03 supersoft wrote:
btw, i'll post some reasons why i decided to vote palmar.
mostly because of his passive behaviour and aces vigflip.
i think BC really jailed ace and saved him, while palmar is scum and wanted to doublestack him through the medprotection. I give up on humanity.
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I don't get how ace's Flo says anything about Palmer. The way it really would is if they were both scum and since one flipped town we can safely say there is no conclusion to be drawn.
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On November 30 2011 01:03 supersoft wrote:
btw, i'll post some reasons why i decided to vote palmar.
mostly because of his passive behaviour and aces vigflip.
i think BC really jailed ace and saved him, while palmar is scum and wanted to doublestack him through the medprotection.
More support for my accusation of supersoft. Palmar has been anything but passive this game. Your false analyses and outright stupid reasoning, coupled with the fact that 90% of your posts in this game have been talking shit to people...
You're completely worthless in this game in addition to being scummy since the beginning. Either way you're worth a lynch or a vig shot.
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On November 30 2011 01:10 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 01:03 supersoft wrote:
btw, i'll post some reasons why i decided to vote palmar.
mostly because of his passive behaviour and aces vigflip.
i think BC really jailed ace and saved him, while palmar is scum and wanted to doublestack him through the medprotection. More support for my accusation of supersoft. Palmar has been anything but passive this game. Your false analyses and outright stupid reasoning, coupled with the fact that 90% of your posts in this game have been talking shit to people... You're completely worthless in this game in addition to being scummy since the beginning. Either way you're worth a lynch or a vig shot.
Rofl, I think I like you.
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you're off my invisible list, for lulz
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Serejai: It's great that you're so confident in posting the names of fifty different people (unofficial count) in red, but that doesn't really consist as evidence by itself. Plus, as someone who actually has a red name, I feel slighted that I haven't been given my due.
Palmar: Get a grip on yourself, take off the tunnel vision glasses, and start doing what you said you would do in your mayor campaign. Step back and start doing the legwork of analysis that you promised. You campaigned on your ability to detect mafia, and all you've done is get your feelings hurt. It'd be great to hear you respond to BC's post on the following page, and explain why we should not take your offered 1 for 1 trade seriously, and second, a list of who you think is mafia supported by clues or real post based analysis. I think those two things are in your best interest as well as the town's. I never remember anyone who played like you did being mafia back when I used to play, so you don't have my vote, but you seem to have the votes of quite a few other people.
Dead People: Get out of the game.
Everyone else, I'm keeping my two votes on Risen and WBG because I find their scumslips pretty devastating. I'm a little confused that everyone buys their explanations. At best, we have half clues right now, the chance of getting someone on those is probably... 20-30%? At best? I feel like clues become much more useful if we have a body of evidence to consider. But if someone screws up? That's like 60-70% at least. I guess it's conceivable that somehow they made a really pathetic mistake, but two people? I feel like we should a great shot at getting 1, and very likely 2 if we lynch the people we have the best evidence (imo) against.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Palmar, since I was typing, you've responded to BC, but you didn't address anything he said. Are you trying to dig a hole for yourself? What's your game?
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On November 30 2011 01:13 tree.hugger wrote:
Serejai: It's great that you're so confident in posting the names of fifty different people (unofficial count) in red, but that doesn't really consist as evidence by itself. Plus, as someone who actually has a red name, I feel slighted that I haven't been given my due.
Palmar: Get a grip on yourself, take off the tunnel vision glasses, and start doing what you said you would do in your mayor campaign. Step back and start doing the legwork of analysis that you promised. You campaigned on your ability to detect mafia, and all you've done is get your feelings hurt. It'd be great to hear you respond to BC's post on the following page, and explain why we should not take your offered 1 for 1 trade seriously, and second, a list of who you think is mafia supported by clues or real post based analysis. I think those two things are in your best interest as well as the town's. I never remember anyone who played like you did being mafia back when I used to play, so you don't have my vote, but you seem to have the votes of quite a few other people.
Dead People: Get out of the game.
Everyone else, I'm keeping my two votes on Risen and WBG because I find their scumslips pretty devastating. I'm a little confused that everyone buys their explanations. At best, we have half clues right now, the chance of getting someone on those is probably... 20-30%? At best? I feel like clues become much more useful if we have a body of evidence to consider. But if someone screws up? That's like 60-70% at least. I guess it's conceivable that somehow they made a really pathetic mistake, but two people? I feel like we should a great shot at getting 1, and very likely 2 if we lynch the people we have the best evidence (imo) against.
Despite your red name, I do not feel you are mafia.
It's rather simple, actually. Your icon reminds me of Wilford Brimley and that man is a hero to diabeetus patients everywhere. I highly doubt he would be anything but town.
As it currently stands you don't seem very scummy to me. You're also against wherebugsgo, who I am certain is mafia because of his scummy posting and his scumslip. I have no reason to doubt you at this point in time.
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On November 30 2011 01:13 tree.hugger wrote:
Palmar: Get a grip on yourself, take off the tunnel vision glasses, and start doing what you said you would do in your mayor campaign. Step back and start doing the legwork of analysis that you promised. You campaigned on your ability to detect mafia, and all you've done is get your feelings hurt. It'd be great to hear you respond to BC's post on the following page, and explain why we should not take your offered 1 for 1 trade seriously, and second, a list of who you think is mafia supported by clues or real post based analysis. I think those two things are in your best interest as well as the town's. I never remember anyone who played like you did being mafia back when I used to play, so you don't have my vote, but you seem to have the votes of quite a few other people.
I already replied to a couple of BC's points ( clicky ). Remember, while I am the most active player in town I do not have infinite time to play this game.
The reason you should not take my offered 1 for 1 trade seriously is the fact I made an 1 for 1 trade. I thought there was no chance either of us would flip any time soon, and at the time I was very frustrated with the way Ace was behaving. He was using invented logic and nonsensical traps to try and pull off a lynch on me.
I'm not going to produce a list of who I think is mafia, that's pretty much useless at the moment. Maybe once we have had lurker banes and vigis do their work I can start narrowing it down. For now I suggest the best course of action is to not kill off active or experienced people at all, because those are already being massacred by the mafia. Lynching me, sandroba or bugs, and having us flip town would be really bad for town.
I have already provided reasons as to why I think Zeks is scum, and I am considering supporting a Risen lynch too. He did slip up massively.
I'm exhausted from this game, it's frustrating to play. I can't even summon the will to start reading filters again. I'm just responding to what's going on in the thread at the moment.
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Well, it looks like Palmar is going to be lynched tonight D:
It literally matters 0% if he is scum or not: he is using the double lynches. Without double lynches, town has 1/8th of mafia KP. Mafia is 1/5 of town. Do the math. We need the double lynches. By lynching him, we take the risk that BC is scum, denying us the double lynches.
Some of you are afraid of his triple vote. Let's assume that Palmar is scum. Scum currently have 18 votes. Town has 54. And, there's no way that scum can point all 18 votes at one target without it being a clear scumbuddy circlejerk. His triple vote shouldn't matter until turn 4 at the soonest, later if we manage to hit good lynches.
Remember the chart earlier, if we land every lynch on scum, but have no double lynches, we lose. Palmar is using doubles; why replace him.
Assuming that Palmar is scum, lynching him denies scum 1/2 of a KP and denies town 1 whole KP.
Now, as far as voting. Zeks is gonna hang tonight, that's set in stone. The real question is second place. Currently, it is Palmar. This is bad. Out of the three candidates for second place (Palmar, Risen, and WBG), WBG is the only one I am really comfortable lynching. He has done a small amount of mudflinging, but I don't have a totally solid scumread on him. Risen made his "slip", but I don't buy it. Assuming he was trying to mislead town, he put an awful lot of thought into it to blow it by posting it early. It just doesn't add up. The rest of his posts have been neutral/pro-town, and a little newby. It makes more sense to believe that he doesn't understand dayposts than he tried an elaborate scheme and botched it by not understanding dayposts.
Palmar is probably my strongest scumread, but even that is not particularly strong. We also cannot afford to lynch him. This leaves WBG as my only potential vote. ##Vote: wherebugsgo
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Palmar, why do you think lynching WBG would be bad for town? I don't think he's being helpful to town at all.  And you don't think he slipped up as badly as Risen did? He very clearly distinguished himself as not being town-aligned, it seemed to me.
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On November 30 2011 01:27 tree.hugger wrote:Palmar, why do you think lynching WBG would be bad for town? I don't think he's being helpful to town at all. And you don't think he slipped up as badly as Risen did? He very clearly distinguished himself as not being town-aligned, it seemed to me.
Because he's not as dumb as the rest of people in town.
Even if he's mafia he's making more sense than anyone in the game, barring maybe sandroba.
The fact that there are like 15 votes on me is a clear sign of stupidity, I have done nothing this game but play the absolute most townie game I have ever played. But I can't deal with people trolling, lurking and being stupid.
BC is scum btw.
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I would like to call attention to Lemonwalrus and coagulation.
Both are lurking and being 100% useless for town and should be killed tonight by a lurker bane or a vigi.
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