EPTMrZentor (1): prplhz
prplhz (0):
Probulous (0):
marvellosity (3): VisceraEyes, Probulous,
von Klaust II (1): risk.nuke
risk.nuke (1): rastaban
rastaban (1): Snarfs
Not voted yet (6): Zephirdd, Mattchew, marvellosity, Shraft, slOosh, MrZentor
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
MrZentor (1): prplhz prplhz (0): Probulous (0): marvellosity (3): VisceraEyes, Probulous, von Klaust II (1): risk.nuke risk.nuke (1): rastaban rastaban (1): Snarfs Not voted yet (6): Zephirdd, Mattchew, marvellosity, Shraft, slOosh, MrZentor | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On June 23 2012 02:36 Snarfs wrote: Also, I'm still waiting for Mattchew to come back and explain this: I figured that of all people he would have more insight as to his differences and tells in his scum/town play, he would have the most information. It was extremely early in the game and was what I thought a good time to go into a self meta analysis that if he were town, he would gladly bestow upon us the things that he would use to set himself apart from scum. Instead, he sidesteps the question completely, not leaving us with anything to hold him accountable or help us get a read on him. Then he says that he knew this answer would be viewed as scummy, which if something is scummy, it is anti-town. I don't see why he would post like that knowing it would not help town. On June 22 2012 16:46 rastaban wrote: Second, the focus of Marv makes me think of karma after seeing him do it to Gonzaw in our last game together. We need to be careful with tunneling though, when you push someone so hard day1, they will often come across as scum no matter what since the only content you have is them trying to defend themselves against accusations. He could be scum but I just want to say that we need to be cautious, as I feel the case against him is a bit biased. Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate but I feel like there is too much discussion on him this early in our day. Remember we have 48 hours, half that time hasn't even passed yet so I don't like the band wagoning on Marv so quickly. That said I have a hard time getting anything from his filter right now. Some people analyze best when their quarry is under pressure but for me that introduces too many variables so I like to read posts where they aren't defending themselves. So marv would you mind answering the original question ( as leading as it may be) about what you feel are your tells, and second who do you feel is most likely scum? (big post by post case on Risk.Nuke that I am not quoting) On June 23 2012 03:47 rastaban wrote: When I review MrZentor I see someone who hasn't contributed much, which, while scummy, isn't enough to lynch yet in my opinion.,Especially when he commits to delivering something tomorrow. I have seen players like Foolishness say the same thing so I am inclined to give him till tomorrow before I make my Judgment on him. This all feels extremely middle of the road, I am ready to jump on a bandwagon but don't want to commit to anything scum play. He also contradicts himself about the talks about Marv, then contradicts his we have 48 hours post, by posting a case that he is pretty deadset on, about risk.nuke. Overall I just feel like Rastaban's posting has been flaky and his case on Risk is bad. To answer his question to the thread, I read his vote switch that he was not confident in a Marv lynch, and that he wanted to pressure a lurker with no content. Also, his first 30ish hour case doesn't take into account that Risk.nuke has played many many games before ##Vote: rastaban | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Something in the back of my mind is still clicking everytime I read Snarfs. Can you cool cats reread his last post and tell me your thoughts? It would be great to get some discussion particularly from marv, prplhz and risk.nuke. And as for now here will be my preliminary vote to hold me accountable. ##Vote: Snarfs | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On June 23 2012 04:25 slOosh wrote: Rastaban looks townish to me; the main case against him right now looks like "he is playing bad", rather than "he is playing like scum". Something in the back of my mind is still clicking everytime I read Snarfs. Can you cool cats reread his last post and tell me your thoughts? It would be great to get some discussion particularly from marv, prplhz and risk.nuke. And as for now here will be my preliminary vote to hold me accountable. ##Vote: Snarfs All I read from his last post is "there is no difference between Zentor and risk.nuke". The only way this would be a scum tell if risk was scum. idk, snarfs looks null to me. Well, the most glaring scum tell so far(for me) is rastaban, but if you think about it he's just playing as his town meta(based on bang bang) and all he's done is a bad case, not a scummy case. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Obviously, I still love where my vote is, and I encourage anyone who hasn't to go read over Marv's filter and join me in lynching him for the good of the town! | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On June 23 2012 04:47 Zephirdd wrote: All I read from his last post is "there is no difference between Zentor and risk.nuke". The only way this would be a scum tell if risk was scum. idk, snarfs looks null to me. Well, the most glaring scum tell so far(for me) is rastaban, but if you think about it he's just playing as his town meta(based on bang bang) and all he's done is a bad case, not a scummy case. No, that's not quite it. Something about his approach seems off. I'll clarify after giving people some opportunity to contribute on this point. Aside from that, compare his filter to mine, taking note of timestamps. Notice something? | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On June 23 2012 03:47 rastaban wrote: When I review MrZentor I see someone who hasn't contributed much, which, while scummy, isn't enough to lynch yet in my opinion.,Especially when he commits to delivering something tomorrow. I have seen players like Foolishness say the same thing so I am inclined to give him till tomorrow before I make my Judgment on him. I feel like Nuke hasn't just been a null, like MrZentor, by not contributing, but that his actions further scum agendas. There are legitimate reasons a town player may not contribute day 1, but I can't find legitimate town reasons for Risks actions. His "lol, ok #1 scum response ##Vote: marvellosity" Seems like such a cop out to get a vote on marv, instead of finding for a reason himself or even investigating it. It is the combination of not contributing but still trying to push a lynch that I find very questionable and seperated him from MrZ. What does town gain by him voting Klaust later, but not mentioning why he is doing it? The huge time gap, is so strange as well. I can see not being caught up and posting a quick one liner, but to be aware enough that one of the players still needs to post, to take your vote off someone you said was scummy, and yet not take even a moment to say something seems strange to me. I would like to hear from him on these actions and why he did it, maybe I am missing something but I feel that his actions make him extremely suspicious. This honestly seems like standard risk.nuke play. I wouldn't call it a scum tell to come in and vote with no or little reasoning - it draws way too much attention. On the flip side though, it is that type of behaviour which scum often attempt to pick up on and make a case out of. Hence why I, and a couple others, find your case scummy. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Could you explain to me why rastaban is specifically scummy rather than a poor town player? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On June 23 2012 06:00 slOosh wrote: No, that's not quite it. Something about his approach seems off. I'll clarify after giving people some opportunity to contribute on this point. Aside from that, compare his filter to mine, taking note of timestamps. Notice something? Where exactly are you going with this, slOosh? If you could be more clear I could address your concerns. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On June 23 2012 06:11 slOosh wrote: Oh hey Snarfs, you are here! Could you explain to me why rastaban is specifically scummy rather than a poor town player? I'm actually still trying to figure out if he's just a poor town player. Hence my engagement with him in dialogue. My thoughts so far on his opening post and his case are here: On June 23 2012 02:36 Snarfs wrote: Also notice how the general feeling of the second paragraph is that we should back off marv a bit so that we can get some better reads and not waste the entire 48 hours, but then the third paragraph is him coming right back to marv and pushing him? Now, granted he does appear to be trying to ask more "nicely", but why not try focusing on someone else if you feel too much time is being wasted on marv? Pre-Edit: Noticed rastaban has posted a "case" on risk.nuke after slOosh also commented on his post. I really don't like rastaban's case as it is quite exaggerated. It feels to me as it was a quick case he made as he noticed he was getting flak for not commenting on anyone besides marv. risk.nuke's actions have been quite clear as marv and shraft explained here: [click] On June 23 2012 06:03 Snarfs wrote: This honestly seems like standard risk.nuke play. I wouldn't call it a scum tell to come in and vote with no or little reasoning - it draws way too much attention. On the flip side though, it is that type of behaviour which scum often attempt to pick up on and make a case out of. Hence why I, and a couple others, find your case scummy. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 23 2012 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv do you think I'm scum? Because your last post is very sarcastic and I honestly can't tell what you're actually thinking. This is what I'm talking about when I say you're not playing a townie game this game sir. Obviously, I still love where my vote is, and I encourage anyone who hasn't to go read over Marv's filter and join me in lynching him for the good of the town! Yep, you're currently my #1 read re: rastaban - he posted rather fluffily in Bang bang and gonzaw caught him being flippity floppity about him (i agreed with gonzaw's case in hindsight... having shot him first of course :/) he was a scumread for me then but as the game went on he became more townie. Not really comfortable lynching him at this stage | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Anyway, here are my Snarf On June 23 2012 02:36 Snarfs wrote: I don't think we should lynch marv today. He's been attacked the entire day and hasn't had a chance to do anything but react to other people's pressure. This is a terrible reason not to lynch someone. You don't lynch someone only if there is a scummier candidate or if he looks town. Snarf's reasoning why we shouldn't lynch marv is that he has been busy defending himself. He didn't say "there isn't enough here to lynch marv" - he said "I don't think we should lynch marv today", and this is before even the D1 halfway mark. The reason and the conclusion does not match. And when things like that don't match it indicates anti-town agenda. People I'd be fine lynching today, at this point: rastaban, MrZentor. I think rastaban is more likely scum so that's where my vote is going. ##Vote rastaban Snarfs fricken doctored his own quotes in the post above me. The heck make sure you see this. On June 23 2012 02:36 Snarfs wrote: I agree, this post is very scummy. Also notice how the general feeling of the second paragraph is that we should back off marv a bit so that we can get some better reads and not waste the entire 48 hours, but then the third paragraph is him coming right back to marv and pushing him? Now, granted he does appear to be trying to ask more "nicely", but why not try focusing on someone else if you feel too much time is being wasted on marv? He isn't considering that rastaban could be bad town or scum - he makes it very clear that he originally thought he was scum, and now that I've called him out on why, he backtracks and says he is debating, when it is clear that his words say otherwise. Again, a mismatch of words and actions. On June 22 2012 15:23 Snarfs wrote: I'm actually interested in hearing marv explain exactly what his little shitstorm has revealed: Apparently it's given him some useful information and I wouldn't mind hearing what exactly he thinks that is. For now, I'll reserve judgement. He says here he will reserve judgement. However, this post precedes the quote that I used in point one. Again, his actions and words misalign. He reserves judgement on the basis of he wants to hear what marv's reads / conclusions from the scrap he had were. That's fine. Yet when he says we shouldn't lynch marv, it isn't because marv's findings were legit / useful. It's because he has been "under attack", and portrays marv as a victim. Contradictions. On top of that there's some blatant plagiarism, which is a cheap way to look like you are contributing without actually doing so. On June 23 2012 00:00 slOosh wrote: I really liked Shraft's first post on catching rastaban's fluff, and I'm surprised no one else bothered to comment on it. There is general neutral fluff and allusions to games that don't really help us find scum here. Post in question: Says we have too much discussion on Marv. Concludes his first post by asking marv more questions. On June 23 2012 02:36 Snarfs wrote: I agree, this post is very scummy. Also notice how the general feeling of the second paragraph is that we should back off marv a bit so that we can get some better reads and not waste the entire 48 hours, but then the third paragraph is him coming right back to marv and pushing him? Now, granted he does appear to be trying to ask more "nicely", but why not try focusing on someone else if you feel too much time is being wasted on marv? Yea, I'm suspicious of Snarfs. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Basically he picked up on something that shouldn't have been *that* important, and crusaded/tunneled on it ad infinitum. He hasn't paused to look for the alternative explanation, he's just blindly going down the same alley. I think a townplaying VE would be more actively considering the idea that I was town rather than pushing me like he is. Gonna get a bit egotistical for a minute - it feels like he's trying to get rid of me at an opportune moment on the back of something that he's exploded out of proportion. I got tunneled into oblivion by Blazinghand in LI and I get a totally different feeling about it now. There I had a clear townread on BH because of the nature of it. Every time I see VE post I see him try to twist my words a little. I said this about meapak in bang bang - it's either weak ass townie play or it's scummy play, and I think it's scummy play. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
LOL Like, honestly. Marvel is much better than this. He knows that me targeting him if he's town does not automatically make me scum. This is literally the DEFINITION of OMGUS. He literally just said "I know I'm town, so because VE is targeting me, he's scum" and has fabricated some kind of fantasy to justify calling me such. Marv is definitely my preference for lynch. He knows better. He's acting like he doesn't, but he does. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I'm clearly saying that the manner you've gone about going after me is what I find bad, not the fact taht you've gone after me. For example Probulous I see only honest motivations logically explained. This post is once again you twisting what I'm saying, and hopefully people can see this. Try considering I'm town, yes? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
I said that I have the unique perspective of knowing my alignment where others do not. Just that subtle little twisting of my words into negative connotations. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
*where did I say the fact I was town and you were targetting me therefore makes you scum | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
your posts are just littered with insidious phrases like this. | ||
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