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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
October 26 2011 21:21 GMT
#281
He'll be one of the people which nerves don't affect I would think. With so much stage experience behind him, he's unlikely to choke, and tbh, I've seen a lot of first timers in Code A choke.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
October 26 2011 21:33 GMT
#282
Not trying to be insensitive but I wish Blizzard would grant monetary incentives for more good Brood War pros to switch over, basically speed up the inevitable. Unless I'm mistaken, they practically built up the existing Sc2 scene in Korea by partnering with and probably subsidizing Gom. So I'm sure such a maneuver, other than being slightly more predatory, is not so far off the beaten path of what Blizzard is willing to do to ensure SC2's continued success.
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
October 26 2011 21:34 GMT
#283
How can ForGG ever do something more awesome than beating jaedong ? It will be impossible
Still, one of my favorite terrans. But why did he change his name :/
Where is my ACE flair
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
October 26 2011 21:35 GMT
#284
I doubt any other high-profile BW players will bother switching over until HotS. Why jump on WoL this late when everything is going to be turned upside down soon?
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
October 26 2011 21:35 GMT
#285
On October 27 2011 06:33 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Not trying to be insensitive but I wish Blizzard would grant monetary incentives for more good Brood War pros to switch over, basically speed up the inevitable. Unless I'm mistaken, they practically built up the existing Sc2 scene in Korea by partnering with and probably subsidizing Gom. So I'm sure such a maneuver, other than being slightly more predatory, is not so far off the beaten path of what Blizzard is willing to do to ensure SC2's continued success.


Can't think of any other reason for those 4 BW pros to have been at Blizzcon :X
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
October 26 2011 21:45 GMT
#286
On October 27 2011 06:21 Amui wrote:
He'll be one of the people which nerves don't affect I would think. With so much stage experience behind him, he's unlikely to choke, and tbh, I've seen a lot of first timers in Code A choke.


I think it is the opposite to be honest. He has a name to live up to but without the skill behind it (I'm sure he is really good, but not BW good). As such, I think he will be under more pressure than he is usually used to. Will be interesting to see how he does though. I'm more interested in his style than his results.
We talkin about PRACTICE
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
October 26 2011 22:00 GMT
#287
On October 26 2011 20:29 ThePhan2m wrote:
The end is now, for all the "semi pros" out there. Soon all currently Code A and most of Code S will be gone into Code B when the invation begins... :D


Not sure what an "invation" is...... but that's completely false.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
October 26 2011 22:04 GMT
#288
On October 27 2011 07:00 Mr Showtime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 20:29 ThePhan2m wrote:
The end is now, for all the "semi pros" out there. Soon all currently Code A and most of Code S will be gone into Code B when the invation begins... :D


Not sure what an "invation" is...... but that's completely false.

Yeah I'm sure you didn't know what he meant, right? -_-
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
October 26 2011 22:05 GMT
#289
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote:
As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff.

Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2?


even as a non BW player

yes I think that


ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1707 Posts
October 26 2011 22:13 GMT
#290
I uhhh.... just, damn. Shit. Damn. Fuck this.
EleGant[AoV]
LayZRR
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany449 Posts
October 26 2011 22:19 GMT
#291
i still want to see Grrrr playing for oGs....what happened with him?
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3616 Posts
October 26 2011 22:20 GMT
#292
I would say this makes fOrGG the 2nd-best "current" BW player to have switched over (after MVP who had finally broken through right before he switched). Maybe 3rd depending how good we all think NaDa was playing. I'm curious to see how he does.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Tsuycc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada269 Posts
October 26 2011 22:22 GMT
#293
fOrGG in the running for 'royal roader'
[Hoping spider mines are brought back in SC2] // MarineKing // Leta // Polt | Terran Pride "my girlfriend is the medivac" -Rain
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 26 2011 22:31 GMT
#294
fOrGG needs a staples easy button.
twitch.tv/medrea
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 23:27:13
October 26 2011 22:44 GMT
#295
There is an assumption in AI research called "the similarity assumption". It goes something like this: sometimes areas that seem superficially unrelated can have essential qualities in common - qualities that overlap in some way - such that similar experiences can guide future reasoning, problem solving and learning.

I have seen crude forms of this principle stated intuitively in this and other treads previously, so I am in no way inventing it (or even claiming it as my own), I am only trying to formulate it in a succinct way. Let me give it a try (and perhaps fail):

Would LeBron James be good at handball say, or Wayne Gretzky good at bandy? Who knows, but you would probably not be far of if you guessed that they indeed would. Just to give some perspective, here are a couple of analogy's that are probably not good at all: a grand master chess player good at playing Broodwar, or a celebrated architect equally good at Olympic swimming, a mathematical genius that is equally good at writing, a celebrated footballer equally good at skiing or an entrepreneur equally good at politics.

Can you see what I am getting at here .. what I am fumbling about to try to understand? Some people are of-course hilariously talented at almost everything they do - think Leonardo DaVinci, or Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz or Bertrand Russell say - but they are very rare.

Here is one analogy that I just made up, and think is more appropriate for comparing BW and SC2: would a celebrated musician be as good if he switched instrument, or dabbled in another musical genre .. or just played covers of songs by other people. It would seem to me that the skill-set required to be a good musician travels very well within the musical spectrum.

And this is exactly what the similarity assumption says: similar experiences can guide future reasoning, problem solving and learning. Jumping from BW to SC2 is not like jumping from Chess to skiing. It is more like switching instruments at the most, but probably in essence more like switching to another genre of music.

This is why I and many others look at the transition of real BW talent to SC2 with interest. The skill-set required is essentially the same. Mechanics are easier in SC2 but this in turn gives room for more of the rest of the skill-set these players have. And this skill-set is not like switching from painting to gymnastics.

fOrGG switching from BW to SC2 is a data-point for us to understand this process and appreciate the true talent of BW players. I think you are making a colossal mistake if you think Flash, Jaedong or Bisu would be behind the curve if they switched to SC2. Not every BW pro who switches will be successful of course, but if a large enough number of them switch, they will expose the mediocrity of a large number of those we today celebrate as near geniuses of SC2.

Edit: fixed some spelling and punctuation.
FanTaSy | Flash | Movie | Leta | Stork | Map:Destination[BW]
Toastmold
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada207 Posts
October 26 2011 22:53 GMT
#296
You really could have done without your moronic tag on the end.

User was warned for this post
hi.
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
October 26 2011 22:56 GMT
#297
On October 27 2011 07:53 Toastmold wrote:
You really could have done without your moronic tag on the end.


If that is the case .. I will remove it. Thanks for the feedback.
FanTaSy | Flash | Movie | Leta | Stork | Map:Destination[BW]
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
October 26 2011 22:57 GMT
#298
On October 27 2011 06:35 Hinanawi wrote:
I doubt any other high-profile BW players will bother switching over until HotS. Why jump on WoL this late when everything is going to be turned upside down soon?

Yup! Until LOV comes out no need to worry about BW going anywhere! The game is going to change so drastically with each expansion (not that thats a bad thing.. it just naturally will :D)
Jaedong.
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
October 26 2011 22:59 GMT
#299
On October 27 2011 07:05 ToguRo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote:
As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff.

Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2?


even as a non BW player

yes I think that



They're probably also gods at every other genre of video game ever..
hell...
they probably are the best at everything!!!!!!!!!!
MBAACC | SG | shit at fighting games
Pzar
Profile Joined August 2011
New Zealand46 Posts
October 26 2011 23:03 GMT
#300
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote:
As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff.

Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2?


Well, you have...
BW
WC3
SC2

I'm not actually sure of any other (there's probably some I missed) resource-based rts-style games (or I could just say blizzard-style =P) that people will have been playing in recent times.

Starting on one of these will have given you a little over 1 years experience at this point.
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