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On October 27 2011 00:01 RHMVNovus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 23:47 rysecake wrote:On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote:
As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff.
Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? Look who the best players in the world right now (mvp, nestea, etc.) and guess what they were. *Gasp* Bw players! Wow I'm so smart. Julian was a Roman Emperor Julian was an Athenian Student - Therefore, Athenian Students are all Roman Emperors.
This doesn't work.... Anti logic doesn't work like that. For your argument to work that would have to mean that BW would have to be unrelated to sc2.
A closer better would be
Julian was a politician
Julian was a Roman emperor
Therefore all Roman emperors are politicians (which is not as black and white as your previous statement)
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On October 27 2011 03:28 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 03:26 SeaSwift wrote:On October 27 2011 03:23 jj33 wrote:On October 27 2011 03:19 SeaSwift wrote:On October 27 2011 03:14 backtoback wrote:
with july and nada dominating sc2 after its prime shows that it is possible to switch when you ARE at your prime like forGG is now. KT rolster better switch before HOTS comes out or it will be very very hard to adapt. Also, everyone knew that the switch from bw to sc2 is coming sooner or later. Neither July nor Nada are anything like "dominating" sc2 at the moment. Are they both Code S players? Yes. Are either of them considered the best players of their respective races? No. true, but point is JULY and NADA are completely washed up in bw standards and they would get completely rolled in bw. But in sc2, with minimal effort they are still competitive. I'd take you up on "minimal effort" - do you know their training schedule? Nor do I, so I won't make assertions about it. But yes, BW players are likely to do well in SC2. It was more his comment about July and Nada specifically. You;re right, I don't know their schedule, but i meant minimal as in it didn't seem long for them to get into Code S. I mean they wouldn't sniff Code S in bw now, not even close was my point. But yes I concede maybe they do train alot, but from what I understand Nada is in college, so I doubt he trains all that much compared to how he should.
Nada has ALWAYS been in code S. So i guess your right, it didnt take him long to get there. He also has never been in the UP and DOWNS too. He plays a ton and this game means a lot to him. Just more BW elitism coming in to play.
On a topic actually worth mentioning, im happy to see forgg make it, from what i heard he is pretty beastly. I cannot wait to see him play!! ^_^
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I doubt Flash would transition to SC2, especially not in the next year or two. The man has a ridiculous understanding and sense of broodwar and to have to go through the whole process of understanding the dynamics of a new game would be unnecessary effort when he already has a game which he dominates. Not to mention the fact that his efforts spent on BW would probably net him a lot more cash than if he had to practice for both or switch completely.
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On October 27 2011 03:33 IMSmooth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 03:28 jj33 wrote:On October 27 2011 03:26 SeaSwift wrote:On October 27 2011 03:23 jj33 wrote:On October 27 2011 03:19 SeaSwift wrote:On October 27 2011 03:14 backtoback wrote:
with july and nada dominating sc2 after its prime shows that it is possible to switch when you ARE at your prime like forGG is now. KT rolster better switch before HOTS comes out or it will be very very hard to adapt. Also, everyone knew that the switch from bw to sc2 is coming sooner or later. Neither July nor Nada are anything like "dominating" sc2 at the moment. Are they both Code S players? Yes. Are either of them considered the best players of their respective races? No. true, but point is JULY and NADA are completely washed up in bw standards and they would get completely rolled in bw. But in sc2, with minimal effort they are still competitive. I'd take you up on "minimal effort" - do you know their training schedule? Nor do I, so I won't make assertions about it. But yes, BW players are likely to do well in SC2. It was more his comment about July and Nada specifically. You;re right, I don't know their schedule, but i meant minimal as in it didn't seem long for them to get into Code S. I mean they wouldn't sniff Code S in bw now, not even close was my point. But yes I concede maybe they do train alot, but from what I understand Nada is in college, so I doubt he trains all that much compared to how he should. Nada has ALWAYS been in code S. So i guess your right, it didnt take him long to get there. He also has never been in the UP and DOWNS too. He plays a ton and this game means a lot to him. Just more BW elitism coming in to play. On a topic actually worth mentioning, im happy to see forgg make it, from what i heard he is pretty beastly. I cannot wait to see him play!! ^_^
Agreed, I can't wait to see FORgg as well. He's a beast.
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On October 27 2011 03:30 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 03:11 MonkSEA wrote:On October 27 2011 03:09 Moa wrote:On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote:
As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff.
Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? Yes, it just happened. forgg just switched over and he is already in code A on what I believe was his first attempt. The proof is RIGHT HERE. forgg has been playing forever.. He hasn't 'just' switched. By "forever" you mean since what...June? Lol
He's been playing since last december i think
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I really don't think all of KT is going to just switch over to sc2. For one, there is still a lot more money in BW, and what is the point in practicing for WoL when they could put all their efforts into dominating HotS?
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Lol now it seems like all the BW hipsters are trying to show who knows more about him...
I think it would be awesome if the KT house switches.. I want to see if they can switch easily or if the metagame advantage the current players have will be enough to keep it even. Maybe when HOTS comes out, it will be a sort of leveled playing field so maybe the BW will be more quick to change over?
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On October 27 2011 03:47 LXR wrote:
Lol now it seems like all the BW hipsters are trying to show who knows more about him...
I think it would be awesome if the KT house switches.. I want to see if they can switch easily or if the metagame advantage the current players have will be enough to keep it even. Maybe when HOTS comes out, it will be a sort of leveled playing field so maybe the BW will be more quick to change over?
Mvp's first GSL was the second one I think, he got eliminated in the second and third, but he trained with NesTea to help him prepare his final against MarineKing, then he dominated for december to january, so it took him 2-3 months to become "great", even if he was scary as the top 1 on ladder since GSL 2 (or 3?).
So it can take some time even for good players
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On October 27 2011 03:30 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 03:11 MonkSEA wrote:On October 27 2011 03:09 Moa wrote:On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote:
As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff.
Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? Yes, it just happened. forgg just switched over and he is already in code A on what I believe was his first attempt. The proof is RIGHT HERE. forgg has been playing forever.. He hasn't 'just' switched. By "forever" you mean since what...June? Lol
He started being visible at the tope of the ladders around January/February.
Since I'm sure he didn't start out there, it's safe to assume he's been playing a bit before that as well. So he's been playing at a high level for at least 10 months now. Tbh, it's suprising he took this long to make it :s
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Korea win Gold, Silver and Bronze in future WCG in SC2 if all the bw ex-progamers changes game
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He beat both Flash & Jaedong on his way to a championship. He's a Champion, and a more recent one at that, so I expect big things from him.
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Anyone know why ForGG's TLPD isnt updated?
Shows no games played or won, but he won several games in the ESV Weekly/Monthly, and the Code A qualifiers. Should be fixed.
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On October 27 2011 04:23 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 03:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On October 27 2011 03:11 MonkSEA wrote:On October 27 2011 03:09 Moa wrote:On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote:
As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff.
Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? Yes, it just happened. forgg just switched over and he is already in code A on what I believe was his first attempt. The proof is RIGHT HERE. forgg has been playing forever.. He hasn't 'just' switched. By "forever" you mean since what...June? Lol He started being visible at the tope of the ladders around January/February. Since I'm sure he didn't start out there, it's safe to assume he's been playing a bit before that as well. So he's been playing at a high level for at least 10 months now. Tbh, it's suprising he took this long to make it :s
Nope, he started playing in Gold in January and got top Master in a week, he didn't treat the game seriously until he joined oGs.
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On October 27 2011 04:33 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 04:23 Vorenius wrote:On October 27 2011 03:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On October 27 2011 03:11 MonkSEA wrote:On October 27 2011 03:09 Moa wrote:On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote:
As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff.
Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? Yes, it just happened. forgg just switched over and he is already in code A on what I believe was his first attempt. The proof is RIGHT HERE. forgg has been playing forever.. He hasn't 'just' switched. By "forever" you mean since what...June? Lol He started being visible at the tope of the ladders around January/February. Since I'm sure he didn't start out there, it's safe to assume he's been playing a bit before that as well. So he's been playing at a high level for at least 10 months now. Tbh, it's suprising he took this long to make it :s Nope, he started playing in Gold in January and got top Master in a week, he didn't treat the game seriously until he joined oGs.
That depends on your definition of seriously. I doubt anyone can get three accounts into GM, if they don't work for it.
I also doubt that after training so long and hard in brood war he'd not bring some of that with him when playing SC2.
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I do not understand why there exists a link in the original post between ForGG making it through the preliminaries to compete in GSL Code A and Brood War players transitioning to StarCraft II.
That is to say, I do understand it in the sense that a lot of people think that the latter will happen in the near future, but for what reason is this something that belongs in the Community News and Headlines section of Team Liquid? The qualification of ForGG might by itself be noteworthy enough, he has a fairly large fanbase and it is an interesting point to make, also in light of him being the only Terran to make the cut on the first day of the qualifiers.
But honestly, it would be a lot more sensible to keep the topics separate. I would imagine a lot of people will have an interest in the qualification, only to be thrown into another silly Brood War versus StarCraft II e-sports discussion.
Edit: Mixed up Spotlight and Community News and Headlines.
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Can't wait to watch him play. Are there vods to his games up anywhere?
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On October 27 2011 03:33 IMSmooth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 03:28 jj33 wrote:On October 27 2011 03:26 SeaSwift wrote:On October 27 2011 03:23 jj33 wrote:On October 27 2011 03:19 SeaSwift wrote:On October 27 2011 03:14 backtoback wrote:
with july and nada dominating sc2 after its prime shows that it is possible to switch when you ARE at your prime like forGG is now. KT rolster better switch before HOTS comes out or it will be very very hard to adapt. Also, everyone knew that the switch from bw to sc2 is coming sooner or later. Neither July nor Nada are anything like "dominating" sc2 at the moment. Are they both Code S players? Yes. Are either of them considered the best players of their respective races? No. true, but point is JULY and NADA are completely washed up in bw standards and they would get completely rolled in bw. But in sc2, with minimal effort they are still competitive. I'd take you up on "minimal effort" - do you know their training schedule? Nor do I, so I won't make assertions about it. But yes, BW players are likely to do well in SC2. It was more his comment about July and Nada specifically. You;re right, I don't know their schedule, but i meant minimal as in it didn't seem long for them to get into Code S. I mean they wouldn't sniff Code S in bw now, not even close was my point. But yes I concede maybe they do train alot, but from what I understand Nada is in college, so I doubt he trains all that much compared to how he should. Nada has ALWAYS been in code S. So i guess your right, it didnt take him long to get there. He also has never been in the UP and DOWNS too. He plays a ton and this game means a lot to him. Just more BW elitism coming in to play. On a topic actually worth mentioning, im happy to see forgg make it, from what i heard he is pretty beastly. I cannot wait to see him play!! ^_^
He really doesn't play a ton. It has been confirmed that he plays much less than others because of university.
On October 27 2011 04:23 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 03:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On October 27 2011 03:11 MonkSEA wrote:On October 27 2011 03:09 Moa wrote:On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote:
As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff.
Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2? Yes, it just happened. forgg just switched over and he is already in code A on what I believe was his first attempt. The proof is RIGHT HERE. forgg has been playing forever.. He hasn't 'just' switched. By "forever" you mean since what...June? Lol He started being visible at the tope of the ladders around January/February. Since I'm sure he didn't start out there, it's safe to assume he's been playing a bit before that as well. So he's been playing at a high level for at least 10 months now. Tbh, it's suprising he took this long to make it :s
It didn't take him this long to make it. This is the first time he tried to.
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fOrGG FIGHTING, and more importantly TERRANS FIGHTING!
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I think a lot of people are overhyping fOrGG, yes he beat Jaedong in a bo5 but when was this? People saying "RECENT". This was 2008, more than 3 years ago.
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