On October 27 2011 05:06 Trizz wrote: I think a lot of people are overhyping fOrGG, yes he beat Jaedong in a bo5 but when was this? People saying "RECENT". This was 2008, more than 3 years ago.
Wasn't Jaedong super super good around that time, at least compared to now?
On October 27 2011 05:12 Alejandrisha wrote: im more excited about creator tbh :p
Creator is gosu! He's good but he's going to be freaking scary once he gains more experience/matures some more. He's only 14 @_@!
exactly my point! he could become so good really quickly. it's hard to believe he is so young. i'm definitely a big fan of his and can't wait to see what he can do in a year or 2.. or even sooner!
Yes! His play in ESV Korean Weekly was very impressive! I can't wait to see more of him in GSL!! Also Creator!! A very promising player, I hope both of them do well!
On October 27 2011 03:14 backtoback wrote: with july and nada dominating sc2 after its prime shows that it is possible to switch when you ARE at your prime like forGG is now. KT rolster better switch before HOTS comes out or it will be very very hard to adapt. Also, everyone knew that the switch from bw to sc2 is coming sooner or later.
Neither July nor Nada are anything like "dominating" sc2 at the moment. Are they both Code S players? Yes. Are either of them considered the best players of their respective races? No.
true, but point is JULY and NADA are completely washed up in bw standards and they would get completely rolled in bw.
But in sc2, with minimal effort they are still competitive.
I'd take you up on "minimal effort" - do you know their training schedule? Nor do I, so I won't make assertions about it.
But yes, BW players are likely to do well in SC2. It was more his comment about July and Nada specifically.
You;re right, I don't know their schedule, but i meant minimal as in it didn't seem long for them to get into Code S. I mean they wouldn't sniff Code S in bw now, not even close was my point.
But yes I concede maybe they do train alot, but from what I understand Nada is in college, so I doubt he trains all that much compared to how he should.
Nada has ALWAYS been in code S. So i guess your right, it didnt take him long to get there. He also has never been in the UP and DOWNS too. He plays a ton and this game means a lot to him. Just more BW elitism coming in to play.
On a topic actually worth mentioning, im happy to see forgg make it, from what i heard he is pretty beastly. I cannot wait to see him play!! ^_^
He really doesn't play a ton. It has been confirmed that he plays much less than others because of university.
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff.
Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2?
Yes, it just happened. forgg just switched over and he is already in code A on what I believe was his first attempt. The proof is RIGHT HERE.
forgg has been playing forever.. He hasn't 'just' switched.
By "forever" you mean since what...June? Lol
He started being visible at the tope of the ladders around January/February.
Since I'm sure he didn't start out there, it's safe to assume he's been playing a bit before that as well. So he's been playing at a high level for at least 10 months now. Tbh, it's suprising he took this long to make it :s
It didn't take him this long to make it. This is the first time he tried to.
It was also confirmed that he would break out this summer because he didnt have to focus on university. Although he has stayed consistent he hasnt made any huge strides over the course of the summer.
On October 27 2011 03:14 backtoback wrote: with july and nada dominating sc2 after its prime shows that it is possible to switch when you ARE at your prime like forGG is now. KT rolster better switch before HOTS comes out or it will be very very hard to adapt. Also, everyone knew that the switch from bw to sc2 is coming sooner or later.
Neither July nor Nada are anything like "dominating" sc2 at the moment. Are they both Code S players? Yes. Are either of them considered the best players of their respective races? No.
true, but point is JULY and NADA are completely washed up in bw standards and they would get completely rolled in bw.
But in sc2, with minimal effort they are still competitive.
I'd take you up on "minimal effort" - do you know their training schedule? Nor do I, so I won't make assertions about it.
But yes, BW players are likely to do well in SC2. It was more his comment about July and Nada specifically.
You;re right, I don't know their schedule, but i meant minimal as in it didn't seem long for them to get into Code S. I mean they wouldn't sniff Code S in bw now, not even close was my point.
But yes I concede maybe they do train alot, but from what I understand Nada is in college, so I doubt he trains all that much compared to how he should.
Nada has ALWAYS been in code S. So i guess your right, it didnt take him long to get there. He also has never been in the UP and DOWNS too. He plays a ton and this game means a lot to him. Just more BW elitism coming in to play.
On a topic actually worth mentioning, im happy to see forgg make it, from what i heard he is pretty beastly. I cannot wait to see him play!! ^_^
You guys do realize that Nada/July/Boxer started playing not soon after SC2 was out right? You're making it sound like, Nada just instantly appeared and got into GSL, well you know what? So did everyone else in the GSL back then because the game was new so it didn't take anyone "long" to get into Code S. If he had started playing a year after the game was released and other progamers actually had an advantage on him then what you're saying might mean something.
On October 27 2011 05:06 Trizz wrote: I think a lot of people are overhyping fOrGG, yes he beat Jaedong in a bo5 but when was this? People saying "RECENT". This was 2008, more than 3 years ago.
Wasn't Jaedong super super good around that time, at least compared to now?
jaedong is still just as good if not better; other people have improved too though. His skill is the same, and his results are still amazing. Jaedong's peak was after the forgg finals as well (at least in tournament results; I don't know ELO stuff off-hand).
To put in perspective, the 8 msls that happenedafter he lost to Never_V (forgg), jaedong made the finals in 3, and would have won all 3 if not for flash (1 gold, 2 silvers for JD). Making almost half the msl finals after losing to forgg certainly does not indicate falling off at all ("compared to now"). As well as winning 2 osl golds after losing to forgg.
He isn't as dominant in results as he was in 2009 (where he beat flash in msl and won two osl golds back-to-back, all after forgg), but skill wise he is as good as ever.
On October 27 2011 03:14 backtoback wrote: with july and nada dominating sc2 after its prime shows that it is possible to switch when you ARE at your prime like forGG is now. KT rolster better switch before HOTS comes out or it will be very very hard to adapt. Also, everyone knew that the switch from bw to sc2 is coming sooner or later.
Neither July nor Nada are anything like "dominating" sc2 at the moment. Are they both Code S players? Yes. Are either of them considered the best players of their respective races? No.
true, but point is JULY and NADA are completely washed up in bw standards and they would get completely rolled in bw.
But in sc2, with minimal effort they are still competitive.
I'd take you up on "minimal effort" - do you know their training schedule? Nor do I, so I won't make assertions about it.
But yes, BW players are likely to do well in SC2. It was more his comment about July and Nada specifically.
You;re right, I don't know their schedule, but i meant minimal as in it didn't seem long for them to get into Code S. I mean they wouldn't sniff Code S in bw now, not even close was my point.
But yes I concede maybe they do train alot, but from what I understand Nada is in college, so I doubt he trains all that much compared to how he should.
Nada has ALWAYS been in code S. So i guess your right, it didnt take him long to get there. He also has never been in the UP and DOWNS too. He plays a ton and this game means a lot to him. Just more BW elitism coming in to play.
On a topic actually worth mentioning, im happy to see forgg make it, from what i heard he is pretty beastly. I cannot wait to see him play!! ^_^
He really doesn't play a ton. It has been confirmed that he plays much less than others because of university.
On October 27 2011 04:23 Vorenius wrote:
On October 27 2011 03:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 27 2011 03:11 MonkSEA wrote:
On October 27 2011 03:09 Moa wrote:
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff.
Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2?
Yes, it just happened. forgg just switched over and he is already in code A on what I believe was his first attempt. The proof is RIGHT HERE.
forgg has been playing forever.. He hasn't 'just' switched.
By "forever" you mean since what...June? Lol
He started being visible at the tope of the ladders around January/February.
Since I'm sure he didn't start out there, it's safe to assume he's been playing a bit before that as well. So he's been playing at a high level for at least 10 months now. Tbh, it's suprising he took this long to make it :s
It didn't take him this long to make it. This is the first time he tried to.
It was also confirmed that he would break out this summer because he didnt have to focus on university. Although he has stayed consistent he hasnt made any huge strides over the course of the summer.
That is not very relevant. He might have played more during the summer but that doesn't mean he is playing or has played a ton. Moreover, beside him struggling against protoss he took out quite a few of the very best of foreigners and Puma before losing to DRG in MLG Raleigh. Perhaps not waves, but quite impressive nonetheless.
QUOTE]On October 27 2011 05:49 fraktoasters wrote:
On October 27 2011 03:14 backtoback wrote: with july and nada dominating sc2 after its prime shows that it is possible to switch when you ARE at your prime like forGG is now. KT rolster better switch before HOTS comes out or it will be very very hard to adapt. Also, everyone knew that the switch from bw to sc2 is coming sooner or later.
Neither July nor Nada are anything like "dominating" sc2 at the moment. Are they both Code S players? Yes. Are either of them considered the best players of their respective races? No.
true, but point is JULY and NADA are completely washed up in bw standards and they would get completely rolled in bw.
But in sc2, with minimal effort they are still competitive.
I'd take you up on "minimal effort" - do you know their training schedule? Nor do I, so I won't make assertions about it.
But yes, BW players are likely to do well in SC2. It was more his comment about July and Nada specifically.
You;re right, I don't know their schedule, but i meant minimal as in it didn't seem long for them to get into Code S. I mean they wouldn't sniff Code S in bw now, not even close was my point.
But yes I concede maybe they do train alot, but from what I understand Nada is in college, so I doubt he trains all that much compared to how he should.
Nada has ALWAYS been in code S. So i guess your right, it didnt take him long to get there. He also has never been in the UP and DOWNS too. He plays a ton and this game means a lot to him. Just more BW elitism coming in to play.
On a topic actually worth mentioning, im happy to see forgg make it, from what i heard he is pretty beastly. I cannot wait to see him play!! ^_^
You guys do realize that Nada/July/Boxer started playing not soon after SC2 was out right? You're making it sound like, Nada just instantly appeared and got into GSL, well you know what? So did everyone else in the GSL back then because the game was new so it didn't take anyone "long" to get into Code S. If he had started playing a year after the game was released and other progamers actually had an advantage on him then what you're saying might mean something. [/QUOTE]
Way to go forgetting about beta. Most people had had quite a bit of practise compared to Nada and Boxer. They quite literally just appeared and got into GSL. Now we have people arguing that guys like Grubby are still being handicapped despite starting not that much later than Nada and Boxer.
I honestly won't be surprised if he wins Code A, gets into code S, then wins code S. I wouldn't expect him to win code S today, but I would imagine that he will be capable of winning code A by the time the match comes around. Then once the next code S finals comes around, I think he will be in shape to win it.
And I mean, he plays Terran. He's destined for code S anyway.
On October 26 2011 21:11 Slyce wrote: As a non-BW player I find it hard to get excited about this stuff.
Do people genuinely think that really good BW players will just instantly be amazing at SC2?
Yes.
The skills translate from bw to sc2 seamlessly. MVP and Nestea I believe were the best bw players that have been playing sc2 and look at their success.
Guys like Puma, Idra, MC were just B teamers and look how good they are in sc2.
There is no reason on any level to think anybody who was good at bw would suck at sc2.
Pretty sure you need to brush up on some history before you make posts like this.
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Jaedong.
