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Vote Analysis Time!
Votes for Team 2 (13)
Ace (Team 4)
stormtemplar (Team 8)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Votes for Team 7 (17)
Bill Murray (Team 2)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
bumatlarge (Team 3)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Divinek (Team 9)
Votes for Team 8 (3)
L (Team 6)
Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4)
As you can see from the Votes team 8 does not like me or BM.. Not sure which one they don't like or if they don't like either of us. Maybe they didn't like the fact that I voted for them at one point?
Not everyone has voted... this makes this early voting analysis hard.. wait a minute... Team 1 hasn't voted?
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On June 23 2010 14:18 YellowInk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 14:03 L wrote:Reviewing the three pages before your post, I see no reason for you conclude that the town is leaning towards those three groups. You even missed the few posts right before yours that mention team 7. I'm glad you can't read, and I'm glad you learned that larger posts take time to write. Good job! I'mma let you finish, but I just have to say that you used this same argument against me and that was the worst argument of all time. Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 11:45 L wrote:
Only Yellow really bothered to take the time, and given his post's location after mine it seems like he's more trying to patch up an obviously over-inflammatory push from his ally. Yup. I was writing a big post and it fell behind as other people posted quickly rather than the nefarious reasons you insinuated. Now, what do we call it when people hold double standards? If you were looking at this sort of thing from outside where you're sitting, what would you have to say about yourself?
No, when I mentioned you it had nothing to do with the time lag of your post. It had to do with you replying after durak started a shitstorm. You had expressly read what I had written because you would not have otherwise made a post. When writing a large post, if you take an hour to type things up, the previous hour worth of posts might not be included in what you're writing, hence the time lag.
Does my post say anything about yours being time lagged or having taken too much time to write? No. It refered to the fact that your post on the situation was a reaction to the position your ally put you in.
How you could confuse the two evades me.
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I hope you get modkilled.
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Caller don't do it! It isn't worth it! Just stay a little longer, it might all work out. I know you two have your trouble, but can't you work it out? I just don't want to see it end this way.. Please Caller! For the love of the game, don't do it! I know it seems unbearable at the moment, but I believe that once you two spend enough time together, you will see each other in a different Light. Well, maybe not Light... L wouldn't like that... Perhaps in Darkness you two will learn to live with eachother. Caller you end is not now... It is too soon. Please consider your ways!
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For the love of the game
Kevin Costner? lol
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I almost said for the love of Ace but I'm trying to bring him up too much..
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Voting for team 7 because I agree with YI: we need to get inactives to post. Also, because I might get banned from TL.
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Vote Analysis Time!
Votes for Team 2 (13)
Ace (Team 4)
stormtemplar (Team 8)
meeple (Team 7)
BrownBear (Team 8)
johnnyspazz (Team 8)
DCLXVI (Team 9)
Votes for Team 7 (20)
Bill Murray (Team 2)
Chezinu (Team 2)
LaXerCannon (Team 3)
bumatlarge (Team 3)
YellowInk (Team 5)
Divinek (Team 9)
Durak (Team 5)
Votes for Team 8 (3)
L (Team 6)
Votes for Team 9 (3)
DarthThienAn (Team 4)
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Not Voting:
Radfield(1)
Korynne(1)
Caller(6)
Nikon(7)
Zyrre(7)
MooCow (9)
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ebwop: unless you count caller's vote on himself and L.
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On June 23 2010 14:43 Durak wrote:
Voting for team 7 because I agree with YI: we need to get inactives to post. Also, because I might get banned from TL.
lol
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On June 23 2010 14:51 Bill Murray wrote:
Not Voting:
Radfield(1)
Korynne(1)
Caller(6)
Nikon(7)
Zyrre(7)
MooCow (9)
So really, we aren't killing anyone. We are just killing meeple who went afk anyways.. Not that anyone should switch votes and kill me... We should just kill meeple... yeah... uh oh... I spoke too much... how about team 8? What if team 1 shows up last minute? Its too late voting will end in like 8 hours, don't kill me! Just don't do it!
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Seriously, if I get killed while I'm sleeping one more time...
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
I still can't get used to the fact that Team logos do not show up in the Mafia forum.
Also Caller your vote is in the wrong place.
Also vote count updated.
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On June 23 2010 14:53 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 14:51 Bill Murray wrote:
Not Voting:
Radfield(1)
Korynne(1)
Caller(6)
Nikon(7)
Zyrre(7)
MooCow (9)
So really, we aren't killing anyone. We are just killing meeple who went afk anyways.. Not that anyone should switch votes and kill me... We should just kill meeple... yeah... uh oh... I spoke too much... how about team 8? What if team 1 shows up last minute? Its too late voting will end in like 8 hours, don't kill me! Just don't do it!
Honestly, the voting for inactives is for emphasis that we the town are unhappy with their work thus far.
If they're going to get 2/3 modkilled it may still be worth hanging the 1/3 remaining since they are clearly inactive. If mafia, that's still contributing to KP, but the voting influence is mostly eliminated. Is this something worth killing? It may be worth just considering other targets. We definitely still have plenty of time to discuss.
I havn't been altogether impressed by team 9's content. MooCow has regurgitated a bit of what others have said and provided no real content. MooCow has also had the time to post elsewhere on TL despite having only 3 posts in this game. DCLXVI has posted nothing of relevance except 'I agree with voting on BM' in his 4 posts. In Divinek's 11 posts he has gotten slightly involved with my and Durek's arguments, poking here, questioning there. But mostly he's just posted one liner 'hey look I'm here' and finished with an 'I don't know if I'll be posting tomorrow so I'll vote now'.
If team 7 is looking to get mostly modkilled, the last player is almost assuredly town and team 9 may just be a choice. If team 7 'suddenly shows up' at the end and posts no content, I'd probably want to lynch them for it. I do question the potential for partial team inactivity leading to strategic modkilling, but this probably isn't a road worth investigating. I really havn't decided one way or the other on this - I'm tired and headed to bed.
Bottom line is you all need to post more. I just don't understand how people can join these games and not want to get knee deep in the middle of it.
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On June 23 2010 12:16 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. @Ace: did you view the argument with YI being town on town earlier? Your argument with YI? I viewed it as you (my strongest scum read so far) arguing with someone I don't have a read on. Only thing I could say about YI was he was trying to start discussion.
just noticed this when re-reading over the thread. is there a term for when you want something to be so badly (you wanting me to be scum, and catch me) that you blindly try to create a scenario which doesn't exist?
I will do what noone else is doing this game, and propose an actual plan to our lynch
My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me.
So, we have the team list!
Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
I started a vote, and I have information about my role pm as to my alliance, so i am cleared
Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu - town-aligned
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
List of first votes: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 16:00 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote Team 1
On June 22 2010 11:57 johnnyspazz wrote:
##Vote L On June 22 2010 12:22 L wrote:
##Vote johnnyspazz On June 23 2010 03:20 YellowInk wrote:
##Vote: bumatlarge On June 23 2010 13:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
unvote
##Vote: Team 9
Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
Furthermore, Team 9 is split 3 ways. I don't know if this is inexperience or scumminess. They have someone voting for us, someone voting for slot 7, and someone abstaining. I am pretty sure I can dismiss them as VI. This leaves teams 7, 3, and 1. Since team 7 are voting with my team, and i know that we are not red, i am assuming they are either not scum or slot 7 isnt scum. To me this makes it either slot 3 or slot 7 that are scum, with me actually learning towards Zyrre for that post he made earlier seen here: On June 23 2010 05:20 Zyrre wrote:
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him.
his two other posts are in post 55 he is yet again worried about YI and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder...
Team 3 I am completely unaware of, but bumatlarge did raise minor FoS from me earlier
Team 1 has been very inactive. I cannot analyze Radfield for this as apparently he was inactive in his last game. Korynne is active, but a lot less than usual. No idea on my read on them, but they have yet to come up with their own idea on who to vote for which is scummy by my new theory
I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum
I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have.
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i'm still waiting for the explanation of your coded messages with chez
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I read the whole thread but this latest post catches my eye:
On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 12:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 12:12 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:30 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:26 L wrote:On June 23 2010 11:16 Ace wrote:On June 23 2010 11:08 Bill Murray wrote:On June 23 2010 11:06 Ace wrote:
L and BM: an OMGUS vote doesn't mean someone is scum. Newbie townies do it a lot. I agree with you on this depending on the person. L casting an OMGUS makes me view him as town moreso. I do the same thing. It is scummy until I am sure that the person does it as town imo. I'm at a loss in this game, but there is more information flowing around than you would expect zyrre for instance is drawing my fos well yes if someone is always known for revenge voting it may be a null tell but it also means they should probably be at the top of the suspect list. Also it depends on the nature of the vote: If you're doing it while building a case then it's fine. If you do it just because you have nothing else to do and crap reasoning then you come off looking squirmish and guilty. Also there isn't that much information flowing around. A lot of it is people poking holes around to see what people say. Like L claiming my team or Radfield's team must be Mafia because his top target sucks: thats ridiculous logic. I'm not sure if it's obnoxious L being sincere or he's faking it but either way it's dumb. They're not my top target at all. I didn't even post a target. I summarized what was going on in the thread. Yellow/Durak jumped out at me because I read Yellow's previous game and he seemed relatively 'in the game' and active, but his partner is a self admitted zero. Compare that to some of our other teams. We have literally zero teams at that level besides that one, which means that a host would likely have compensated. But seeing as you, durak and YI have all come out swinging against a post which is largely examining a random potential out of a much larger post, I think I got something right. So you accuse people of possibly being scum, they address your argument so therefore something must be fishy? Explain this more. Also you can't assume the host balanced teams. If that's the case then you and Caller would just as likely be Scum if we're going by experience and some level of skill here. It also hinges on the fact that YI/Durak have to flip red. If they don't then your entire argument falls to shambles and we've seen that happen before. @Ace: did you view the argument with YI being town on town earlier? Your argument with YI? I viewed it as you (my strongest scum read so far) arguing with someone I don't have a read on. Only thing I could say about YI was he was trying to start discussion. just noticed this when re-reading over the thread. is there a term for when you want something to be so badly (you wanting me to be scum, and catch me) that you blindly try to create a scenario which doesn't exist? I will do what noone else is doing this game, and propose an actual plan to our lynch My proposal: lynch a team that has not cast the first vote on someone. "Who who is without sin cast the first stone" right? I am therefore going to assume that people who voted on other people as the first voters = town. Stacking votes = scummy. This may not be the case, but it is an interesting theory to me. So, we have the team list! Show nested quote +Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek I started a vote, and I have information about my role pm as to my alliance, so i am cleared Show nested quote +Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu - town-aligned
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
List of first votes: + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2010 16:00 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote Team 1
On June 22 2010 11:57 johnnyspazz wrote:
##Vote L On June 22 2010 12:22 L wrote:
##Vote johnnyspazz On June 23 2010 03:20 YellowInk wrote:
##Vote: bumatlarge On June 23 2010 13:44 DarthThienAn wrote:
unvote
##Vote: Team 9 Show nested quote +Team List:
1. Radfield and Korynne
2. Bill Murray and Chezinu
3. LaXerCannon and bumatlarge
4. Ace and DarthThienAn
5. Durak and YellowInk
6. L and Caller
7. Nikon, Zyrre, and meeple
8. stormtemplar, johnnyspazz, and BrownBear
9. DCLXVI, MooCow and Divinek
Furthermore, Team 9 is split 3 ways. I don't know if this is inexperience or scumminess. They have someone voting for us, someone voting for slot 7, and someone abstaining. I am pretty sure I can dismiss them as VI. This leaves teams 7, 3, and 1. Since team 7 are voting with my team, and i know that we are not red, i am assuming they are either not scum or slot 7 isnt scum. To me this makes it either slot 3 or slot 7 that are scum, with me actually learning towards Zyrre for that post he made earlier seen here: Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 05:20 Zyrre wrote:
BM said several things that didn't make any sense, pointed out by YI.
I will hold off on voting just yet. But that combined with him trying to get YI lynched means that im right now leaning towards him. his two other posts are in post 55 he is yet again worried about YI and in his first post, post 16, he is worried about the roleblocker's function in the setup with 7 townies. It makes me wonder... Team 3 I am completely unaware of, but bumatlarge did raise minor FoS from me earlier Team 1 has been very inactive. I cannot analyze Radfield for this as apparently he was inactive in his last game. Korynne is active, but a lot less than usual. No idea on my read on them, but they have yet to come up with their own idea on who to vote for which is scummy by my new theory I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have.
ITT: Proposing an arbitrary method of quantifying the amount of scumness each team possesses in such a manner as to fit your OMGUS against Zyrre, and also to support lynching the target of "lynch the inactives" as well. But then again, you say yourself that team 1 has been very inactive so far - the same can be said for your team as well since a portion of your posts have been coded, then there's posts like this one, which are just grasping at straws, and then there's posts like
On June 23 2010 12:10 Bill Murray wrote:
THAT being said, we need to lynch someone. I know that you all are going to look down upon this, but to me i have a 25% chance to lynch another team and have them turn up scum...
my team to me isnt scum unless chezinu got the role pm that he was brown and didn't tell me... otherwise we are definitely with the town/townies. in that case, 1/4 of you other teams are mafia, which is where we get the 25% chance of a random hit on mafia... we cannot risk not lynching SOMEONE right now. If we hit that 25% chance and it's 7/8 people town-aligned then we nearly have the game won already. We can't afford to not have that and have a no-lynch or whatever. I don't expect that, nor do I have that good of targets other than that Zyrre guy.. but he may just be bad.
what do you better players think of who we should lynch?
Which is just blatantly wrong. Your numbers are off, and even if they weren't, they're based off an assumption that's not entirely verifiable. Moreover
On June 23 2010 15:59 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel like the teams that sit back and/or jump on bandwagons are more likely to be scum
I know that my team is not scum, and if we lynch one of these 4 teams I have highlighted, I guarantee we have a good chance of lynching scum, possibly higher than the 25% that could come from voting for a random team other than yourself with the information we have.
You guarantee us that something might happen? Shit, I guarantee you that it might rain tomorrow in Arizona.
I like how both you and YellowInk deal a preemptive strike at me, clearly if team 7 suddenly shows up after all the inactivity, that's a scumtell.
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From my POV, in this game lynching inactives is not such an effective strategy, given that each team is going to be far more active on average than a single player, and it would be wrong to lynch one semi-active guy cause his partner hasn't really posted yet. Thus, I'm going on my reads of people, and right now, L and Bill Murray are standing out, for reasons posted earlier. BM hasn't really contributed much, posted that goofy morse code thing that was either really really bad fishing or really really bad fake-roleclaiming, and hasn't really been quick to jump on people who question him. L has been actively confusing the town with a ton of mostly content-free posts that pretend to be content-filled through angry language and blatant overuse of the FoS. If we believe L, we have 4 mafia running teams around right now, which is silly. Some accusations are good on the first day, but when half the town is under suspicion, all it does is create confusion - which is what a scummy player would try to do.
I currently have my vote on the BM-Chez team, simply because they drew my attention first. BM or Chez, if you want to make a post saying why I shouldn't lynch you/why I should lynch Team Caller-L, feel free. Similarly, L or Caller, if you want to post saying why I should keep my vote where it is, go right ahead.
Given the weird nature of the game, I really don't see the merit of lynching Team 7, since it gives us no information to go on.
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