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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
On March 04 2006 10:57 gulii wrote: When he won vs Pusan, PvZ was imba. When he lose vs oov, he suck? He doesn't even need to beat Pusan for me to say that his ZvP is great. My point is his ZvT is overrated. His ZvT is good, no doubt, but overrated like hell in this forum. I can hardly believe more people actually voted for July to win than oov in the liquibet. | ||
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puLs.ReADy
Bulgaria1301 Posts
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
On March 04 2006 11:30 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: while i agree wthat july's zvt is overrated, you forget that july raped nada 2-0 in KT-KTF. he did, after all, WIN the tournament. i don't agree with your opinion on the maps though. there was more than 1 terran-favoring map, and that was in 815. also the fact that cultivation period was played twice gives oov a huge advantage, especially because the first game is so psychologically important. you could tell july was mentally broken after being run over so easily the first game. as much of a champion as he is, i can imagine it'd be hard to keep a positive attitude being down 0-1 and having 815 and cultivation period again later. this might be the fanboy in me speaking, but i believe gorush's zvt was almost as dominant as savior's during his run. he beat nada in a very important series, something i dont think a zerg has ever done to an in-form nada throughout all of starcraft history. I didn't mean to write KT-KTF. I meant Snickers League where Nada raped July again. Typo. I know that 815 is not a great map for ZvT, but they never even got to play on this map. The maps that they played on were Cultivation Period, RoV, and Rush Hour. Out of these 3 maps, one was terran favored, one was zerg favored, and one was pretty much balanced. The mind games may have played a part in it, but it's not just only being 0-3'ed by oov that makes me think July is overrated in ZvT (in this forum). It's an accumulation of many over the past year and the fact more people believed July would win than oov would as apparent in the liquibet. As for Gorush, at his peak Gorush's ZvT is about as good as July's ZvT at his peak imo, maybe slightly better or worse depending on how you judge importance of certain series. I don't think he's at Savior's level yet. What zerg in the world can 7-0 oov in important games? He just beat Nada too today in MBC Mini. | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
But considering Rush Hour is oov's best map and he is 7-0 on it in Proleague I don't think July would have won on it if the series continued. | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
savior's zvt is amazing, but the only problem i could see with it is that so far hes only seemed to play with 1 build, and while its proven very effective so far, i'm not sure what'll happen to him once terrans find the counter to his play. who knows though, maybe he has many other builds he hasn't shown yet. i was also surprised at how many people voted for july over oov. i think it might've been more to do with fanboyism though. | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On March 04 2006 12:32 tfeign wrote: I just went by what I read in the live report which did first say the game was gonna be played on Rush Hour. Mistake was later corrected and I didn't catch it. But considering Rush Hour is oov's best map and he is 7-0 on it in Proleague I don't think July would have won on it if the series continued. i think july would be the heavy underdog with any map set, but i just think that the maps played more of a role than they should've, although you could argue july had a nice path to the finals playing only protosses on z>p maps. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
July is a very different kind of player than GoRush. It's hard to say which is better, but I don't think you can say his ZvT isn't as strong. Different styles, different ways of winning. Besides, Savior, there is no other real contention for best ZvT right now against July. Oh man the next OSL woulda been perfect is Rock was replaced by Reach, Iris by Boxer, Zergman with Jju, and... yeah... As long as someone beats Oov for Yellow, it's his OSL! I believe storm zerg will rise from ashes one last time and lay down one last smackdown and put him finally back on top where he belongs... -_-;; Oh man I miss that sucker. | ||
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puLs.ReADy
Bulgaria1301 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
But, 1000 won (korean money) = 1$ (US), so it's 10 000$ (ie 2nd place prize). | ||
Corinthos
Canada1842 Posts
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puLs.ReADy
Bulgaria1301 Posts
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iOi
Canada1255 Posts
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On March 04 2006 12:07 tfeign wrote: He doesn't even need to beat Pusan for me to say that his ZvP is great. My point is his ZvT is overrated. His ZvT is good, no doubt, but overrated like hell in this forum. I can hardly believe more people actually voted for July to win than oov in the liquibet. I don't think it's overrated man. July was raped by maps before he started here. It's hard to play a series like that knowing you're going to have to 3-0 the guy on the maps where winning is possible. -_- His lack luster performance in the 2nd and 3rd games can be attributed to that I think. ...oh yeah, and Oov is a machine. Something we're forgetting there.  | ||
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
But to offer some more meaningless qualitative commentary: It's not like July's ZvT is bad, it's just that Oov is the human incarnation of Rape. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On March 04 2006 04:33 Silent_Marine wrote: oh my ;; Iloveoov connected to Golden Mouse ;; someone stop him ( Anytime ? ) , let boxer get Golden Mouse Cant wait to watch VOD ;; please... anytime is the most overrated protoss since zeus --;; it will be pusan or stork that stops oov... probably pusan | ||
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Vo-
United States435 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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