On March 04 2006 12:32 tfeign wrote: I just went by what I read in the live report which did first say the game was gonna be played on Rush Hour. Mistake was later corrected and I didn't catch it.
But considering Rush Hour is oov's best map and he is 7-0 on it in Proleague I don't think July would have won on it if the series continued.
you dont even watch the games, dont comment on how good or bad someone is just by looking at scores. Someone could get destroyed or just barely lose in a close game and they both go down as a loss but are completely different from each other. All your dumb posts now make much more sense
On March 04 2006 12:32 tfeign wrote: I just went by what I read in the live report which did first say the game was gonna be played on Rush Hour. Mistake was later corrected and I didn't catch it.
But considering Rush Hour is oov's best map and he is 7-0 on it in Proleague I don't think July would have won on it if the series continued.
you dont even watch the games, dont comment on how good or bad someone is just by looking at scores. Someone could get destroyed or just barely lose in a close game and they both go down as a loss but are completely different from each other. All your dumb posts now make much more sense
What you say is true, but conveiniently for tfeign, July got fucking raped inside out.
On March 04 2006 12:32 tfeign wrote: I just went by what I read in the live report which did first say the game was gonna be played on Rush Hour. Mistake was later corrected and I didn't catch it.
But considering Rush Hour is oov's best map and he is 7-0 on it in Proleague I don't think July would have won on it if the series continued.
you dont even watch the games, dont comment on how good or bad someone is just by looking at scores. Someone could get destroyed or just barely lose in a close game and they both go down as a loss but are completely different from each other. All your dumb posts now make much more sense
What you say is true, but conveiniently for tfeign, July got fucking raped inside out.
i know he got raped, but tfeign is pretty annoying so = )
Um, I'd disagree on July getting raped. Especially game 3. Fuck July's strat was genious for 815. Never would have thought of it.
Game 1 was actually Oov picking the perfect time. Had he waited 5 seconds more, July would have had 3 lurkers ready to dened, and it would have been different. Oov just picked the perfect time.
Game 2 was not rape what-so-ever. Oov just made a nice comeback. Personally I think July should have gone 2 hatch lurk with speedling pressure. But Oov just played defensively when he needed to, got that nat running and again, timed his attack right before July got his lurkers in time. Oov's timing agian was amazing.
On March 04 2006 08:01 iamke55 wrote: Oov on a 7-0 streak vs July and IPX on a 7-0 streak vs Oov... What is Starcraft coming to? If you showed these stats to people in 2004, people would wonder if you mixed up the names IPXZerg and July.
On March 04 2006 12:32 tfeign wrote: I just went by what I read in the live report which did first say the game was gonna be played on Rush Hour. Mistake was later corrected and I didn't catch it.
But considering Rush Hour is oov's best map and he is 7-0 on it in Proleague I don't think July would have won on it if the series continued.
you dont even watch the games, dont comment on how good or bad someone is just by looking at scores. Someone could get destroyed or just barely lose in a close game and they both go down as a loss but are completely different from each other. All your dumb posts now make much more sense
I watched all 3 games. None of my opinions changed the slightest bit.
On March 04 2006 12:32 tfeign wrote: I just went by what I read in the live report which did first say the game was gonna be played on Rush Hour. Mistake was later corrected and I didn't catch it.
But considering Rush Hour is oov's best map and he is 7-0 on it in Proleague I don't think July would have won on it if the series continued.
you dont even watch the games, dont comment on how good or bad someone is just by looking at scores. Someone could get destroyed or just barely lose in a close game and they both go down as a loss but are completely different from each other. All your dumb posts now make much more sense
Haha that's just how tfeign is. He's all about numbers, stats, and percentages. Which is why he often has the technically correct opinion, even though most of us know that July got pre-raped by the maps. Would be boring not having him here though
As for the games, I just felt really sorry for July. It was like when Boxer lost the final game to Oov in EVER2k4 or Reach losing to July in Gillette final. Almost shed a tear after seeing his face-expression when he tapped gg the first game. You could see his confidence falling to zero right there and there. I think it was practically over after that. July grew impatient and you could see his decisionmaking in game2 were a result of that. As for third game I think he started out very well, but should have gotten drop earlier and cut down on his hydras, so he could have made more lurkers. Also fighting Oovs army face to face without enough lurkers lost him the game.
All in all not a impressive final, but hands down to Oov for his performance.
EDIT: What's with Oovs reaction btw ? I've never seen anyone go that apenuts after a OSL/MSL final. He was like out of the box even before July wrote gg Kingdom did it in Proleague finals, but I've never seen it in a individual league.
I think July played like shit. Or maybe it was Oov who just played amazing. Either way, July made somes serious mistakes in game 2 and 3, both game 2 and 3 he could of won, but in game 2 he wasted too many lings and game 3 idk wtf he was thinking after winning the first few battles then going almost pure hydra agaisnt Oov without even using defilers or even getting a hive...WTF... I was kind of dissapointed, even though I was rooting for Oov, this was just pure rape, and I wanted to see more games. Oh well.
As a matter of fact, more people thought July was going to win than oov was gonna win, even with the maps presented.
Saying that most of us know that July got pre-raped by the maps just totally do not agree with the numbers.
I also went even a step further and read the comments made by people in that liquibet page. Keep in mind here that everybody knew what the maps were going to be. On the first page:
6 people thought July was going to win the series 8 people thought oov was going to win series 3 people thought the series is going to be so close it could go unpredictably either way. Too tough to call.
On the second page:
7 people thought July is going to win the series 6 people thought oov is going to win the series 4 people thought the series is going to be so close it could go unpredictably either way. Too tough to call.
The third page forward had results, so we won't bother.
And all in all, 300 people thought July was going to win. 283 people thought oov would win. And yes, everybody knew what maps are going to be used before voting.
Honestly, it was never true that most people thought that July was pre-raped by the maps. None of the numbers here support your assumption.
The fact is that even with knowledge of maps usage, a majority of people thought oov will not be able to defeat July in this series. The fact that a majority of people thought July > oov even on bad maps like these just screams how much people are rating his ZvT beyond the level it actually is. Again, his ZvT is one of the best for sure, but it is nowhere near the level people are rating it to be.
the numbers there don't show as much as you say they do. not everyone voting necessarily votes for the player thinking they're going to win and factoring in the maps. you have to keep in mind most people have no idea when they're voting and that some people vote out of mere fanboyism (i vote for gorush and nada no matter who they're playing). i think most of the knowledgable people on the forum, minus the believers since they can be grouped with the fanboys, agreed that july was pre-raped by the maps. theres too many other variables in the liquibet to support your argument.
so while guybrush's assumption didnt have much base, it isn't too farfetched.
I understand fanboyism, that's why I went a step further and read the comments on that page.
I also went even a step further and read the comments made by people in that liquibet page. Keep in mind here that everybody knew what the maps were going to be. On the first page:
6 people thought July was going to win the series 8 people thought oov was going to win series 3 people thought the series is going to be so close it could go unpredictably either way. Too tough to call.
On the second page:
7 people thought July is going to win the series 6 people thought oov is going to win the series 4 people thought the series is going to be so close it could go unpredictably either way. Too tough to call.
The third page forward had results, so we won't bother.
These comments show the actual opinions from people, which is better as indication of who people think will win.
I'll give you an example, on the second page HnR)hT made this post:
head: oov heart: july went with july
I counted this post as him thinking oov will win, even though he voted for July through sheer fanboyism.
Finally I just want to note that fanboyism voting don't really affect votes that much. Look at the votes for the recent Reach vs IPX game:
I'm pretty sure there is a ton more Reach fanboys than IPXZerg fanboys in this forum. Still, IPX dominated in the votes (and on a balanced map too), and rightfully so. I think this liquibet example shows that vote results actually do reflect on people's opinions pretty accurately.
the few people who commented cannot represent the whole voting population, not to mention a lot of people voted july since he has a 'dominating' record over oov and is 'godly' zvt. but i guess if you count those people in, then the majority probably didn't agree that july was pre-raped by maps.
On March 05 2006 02:20 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: the few people who commented cannot represent the whole voting population
What a great quote. I should have said this earlier in response to Guybrush's statement. This is exactly the reason why Guybrush thought that July was pre-raped going into this series. Just because a few outspoken members of this forum thought that July was pre-raped coming into this series, it did not represent the whole population, which is exactly what I've been trying to say.
From the statistics, we can conclude that, as a whole population, maybe there were a bit more people who thought July was going to win before this series was played, or maybe a bit more people who thought oov was going to win. But saying that as a whole population, most people thought July was pre-raped coming into this series was just a result of a bias due to a few outspoken members of the forum who thought so, which as you state it, cannot represent the whole voting population.
On February 06 2006 22:15 Manifesto7 wrote: My bet is that it will be oov taking out boxer and Pusan raping boring old Midas. This will set up a oov vs July final with oov taking the win.
On February 06 2006 22:15 King Manifesto wrote: My bet is that it will be oov taking out boxer and Pusan raping boring old Midas. This will set up a oov vs July final with oov taking the win.
EPT
