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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
he is a possiblity and you have good point about his activity considering he wanted to break the record he helped to make. His voting of BC was pure sheeping of marv and ve who pointed out that post by bc was extremly scummy considering the general feeling of the thread and it seemed purely disconnected at the time. i would want to see more from him but at least his filter isnt pure setup speculation like it was when he was scum last time i remember. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I understand your concerns, but it goes all down to a time-constraint problem from my side ^^ 1)My activity is bigger in all my other games, regardless of my alignment. I was scum in Witchcraft, Mario Mini and Looney Mini and I've been pretty active as scum in these games. Here I was in the plane coming back to Korea when the game started, and I had a lot of work to do because they didn't wait for me when I was on vacation back in France. I was also jet-lagged and super tired. Like, it's 5am here, and I'm fucking awake... And I'm not usually very active on week-ends ") 2)Yeah, you cannot read  Also I didn't have so much time to take a decision at that time3)I didn't have time to push him, I was reading the thread again to see if I didn't miss anything important. I woke up in the middle of the night to follow the game, I remind you 4)Again, lack of time from my part | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:16 Toadesstern wrote: Unless WBG was completly wrong about his reads besides Jackal there's no reason to let a townie run around, giving away his reads as a confirmed townie while they're somewhat correct. From a mafia perspective that is. Again, if WBG was completly wrong like he was last game, sure whatever. Let him survive, let the confirmed townie defend every single mafia in the game and tell everyone how townish they are and watch while he posts bullshit everyone takes for granted. This does not seem to be the case, so obviously mafia shoots him quickly to deny information. The timing of that shot probably speaks for itself as well, as it was rather quick. Doesn't look like mafia needed a lot of discussion on this one so I'd say there's someting WBG said that was right besides Jackal being mafia that made them insta-vig him instead of, idk, waiting an hour to discuss wether they want him alive a bit longer to let him time to get is wrong reads across. Toad, don't overthink these shots... ;-) They probably were in panic or the guy with the gun was too late and they wanted to shoot him instantly... whether he was wrong or right is pure wifom. but i'll take a look... | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:25 Djodref wrote: @ debears I understand your concerns, but it goes all down to a time-constraint problem from my side ^^ 1)My activity is bigger in all my other games, regardless of my alignment. I was scum in Witchcraft, Mario Mini and Looney Mini and I've been pretty active as scum in these games. Here I was in the plane coming back to Korea when the game started, and I had a lot of work to do because they didn't wait for me when I was on vacation back in France. I was also jet-lagged and super tired. Like, it's 5am here, and I'm fucking awake... And I'm not usually very active on week-ends ") 2)Yeah, you cannot read Also I didn't have so much time to take a decision at that time3)I didn't have time to push him, I was reading the thread again to see if I didn't miss anything important. I woke up in the middle of the night to follow the game, I remind you 4)Again, lack of time from my part seems legit plus he used two smiley's probably would have put more in if he was scum. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
The person I'm currently masoned to is proving less than useful (maybe afk) I really wish they would get on IRC with me because I'm starting to become really suspicious due to their complete lack of communication or presence in the thread. In the meantime I'll vote Jackal. Everything else is waiting for the person to get back to me. It'd be foolish to lynch me today. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: oi supersoft I'm gonna mason you during the night cycle so we can just talk things out on IRC. The person I'm currently masoned to is proving less than useful (maybe afk) I really wish they would get on IRC with me because I'm starting to become really suspicious due to their complete lack of communication or presence in the thread. In the meantime I'll vote Jackal. Everything else is waiting for the person to get back to me. It'd be foolish to lynch me today. who did you mason? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:28 iamperfection wrote: seems legit plus he used two smiley's probably would have put more in if he was scum. There were 3 smileys in this post | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:25 Djodref wrote: @ debears I understand your concerns, but it goes all down to a time-constraint problem from my side ^^ 1)My activity is bigger in all my other games, regardless of my alignment. I was scum in Witchcraft, Mario Mini and Looney Mini and I've been pretty active as scum in these games. Here I was in the plane coming back to Korea when the game started, and I had a lot of work to do because they didn't wait for me when I was on vacation back in France. I was also jet-lagged and super tired. Like, it's 5am here, and I'm fucking awake... And I'm not usually very active on week-ends ") 2)Yeah, you cannot read Also I didn't have so much time to take a decision at that time3)I didn't have time to push him, I was reading the thread again to see if I didn't miss anything important. I woke up in the middle of the night to follow the game, I remind you 4)Again, lack of time from my part djo does lack of time prevent you from forming scumreads? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:23 iamperfection wrote: @debars he is a possiblity and you have good point about his activity considering he wanted to break the record he helped to make. His voting of BC was pure sheeping of marv and ve who pointed out that post by bc was extremly scummy considering the general feeling of the thread and it seemed purely disconnected at the time. i would want to see more from him but at least his filter isnt pure setup speculation like it was when he was scum last time i remember. Yeah, but it is filled with worthless stuff, such as this: On January 05 2013 06:38 Djodref wrote: Working and sleeping mostly. Also I had to get back to my korean life ^^ Things at my job went crazy when I was in holidays in France, and Koreans don't take work lightly. Christmas and New Year are not real holidays over there so I had to get back all thing I was late on when I was not here while being jet-lagged. I went directly to sleep when I came back from work last night. I have my week-end right now though Do you have any breadcrumb by the way ? On January 05 2013 09:54 Djodref wrote: @ Kei What do you make out of kush this game ? Especially from a meta point of view... I found this one extremely odd since he had gone through such lengths to declare kush as town based on meta all d1. Why does he need keir's input if he is an expert on it? On January 05 2013 23:02 Djodref wrote: Because he would post better cases. Because he would know what to look for. As scum, he would also defend townies. Because this guy loves being right above all. That's the real meta read on scum kush. see? and then posts like this On January 05 2013 22:41 Djodref wrote: @ Clarity How a replacement would be "mod-confirmed townie" if marv is town ? This really doesn't look like town Djo to me | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
Day 1 With his first post he comes in with a bunch of reasonable sounding fluff about all the policy lynches he doesn't agree with. He is ok with a lurker lynch, but there is nobody he thinks is scum. His next post was a defense of tunkeg... still djo doesn't have a scumread. His thrid post comes during he marv wagon, and he disagrees with the marv lynch,and lynches bc because bc is the counterwagon. (and now we know bc is town) He does not have any scumreads for all of d1 and ends up parking his vote on a townie to save another townie.... Here is what djo has to say about bc when he votes: On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote: I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself  + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck? Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day. People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion. ##vote palmar I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC and that's the entirety of he scumhuning djo did on day 1, up until he justifies his vote for BC (a townie) Continuation of D1's non scumhunting After D1 djo talks about a lot of random stuff and gets into random conversations, non of them related to scumhunting. It starts with this post and ends right before this one: On January 05 2013 23:37 Djodref wrote: I could lynch among Hopeless, Sentinel and MZ tomorrow. I have yet to see them do proper scumhunting. I don't think they are all scum though. I'll see how they react to the pressure. What I really like in Clarity's case against Sentinel is how Sentinel is promising to read the thread, without delivering. For example, this was totally unnecessary. And reading Adam's filter takes like less than 5 minutes, so he could have given us his insight instead of saying this. One other thing I didn't like is this post I don't think Sentinel should feel any fear of being killed tonight. It's again another indirect way to hint that he is town, when he doesn't really need to. That's 13 posts where he isn't scumhunting, just 'participating' in the thread. And in that post where he finally calls people out as people he'd want to lynch, 2 of them (hopeless and mz) dont show up anywhere else in his filter so far. The obvious trend here is that djo hasn't been doing any scumhunting but will randomly have person(s) he wants to lynch who he's said nothing about so far. Everything Else Everything after the post where he calls out sentinel, mz, and hopeless is a lot like the rest of his filter. He'll get into conversations but never seems to be scumhunting or pressing reads. A lot of the time he's just arguing and giving people town reads. I also think this could be a scumslip: On January 05 2013 22:44 Djodref wrote: I have to look it up for marv. I've heard somewhere sometime that he had been bussing almost his whole scumteam in one game. But it's definitively true for kush, and it's also true for me. That's why I really don't think kush is scum in this game by the ay. He says he doesn't think kush is scum, because kush would be bussing.... how does he know kush isn't bussing? + Show Spoiler + also, smiley levels are at all time lows TLDR: he doesn't scumhunt, ever | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
oh lol. okay that sounds great. pff you fool, is that masonstuff the great stuff you had in mind? :D okay yeah sure, but beware i'll analyze the shit out of our dialogue... | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
I still want to talk to this person in peace without having to publicly make statements about them. I'll post who at the beginning of the night since that's when my mason with them ends. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:30 debears wrote: Yeah, but it is filled with worthless stuff, such as this: I found this one extremely odd since he had gone through such lengths to declare kush as town based on meta all d1. Why does he need keir's input if he is an expert on it? see? and then posts like this This really doesn't look like town Djo to me I was asking Keir his view on Kush because Keir replaced Adam, which I was suspicious of, given his low participation. Also Keir is supposed to have a good use of meta. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: oi supersoft I'm gonna mason you during the night cycle so we can just talk things out on IRC. The person I'm currently masoned to is proving less than useful (maybe afk) I really wish they would get on IRC with me because I'm starting to become really suspicious due to their complete lack of communication or presence in the thread. In the meantime I'll vote Jackal. Everything else is waiting for the person to get back to me. It'd be foolish to lynch me today. We have 30 ppl in this game. I'd say 6-8 blues is a good number for expected amount of blues With your claim: 7 total Our current list of power roles: Slow Alignment Cop Slow Cop One-time Alignment Cop Vengeful Vigilante Role Cop x1 *one time mason* (iamp) *full game mason* (MZ) That's 7. We are tredding on dangerous territory with this number of claims | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
MZ LOGS NOW | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:29 thrawn2112 wrote: @debears I agree about djo djo does lack of time prevent you from forming scumreads? At that time, yes... I could first catch up with the thread when all the talk was about policy lynch, and the second time around the end of D1. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Why do you claim now ? Also why you don't want to claim everything ? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: actually read what I wrote debears, and no I'm not posting logs. You can post logs from early d1 dude. Are you kidding me? | ||
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