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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On January 07 2013 04:46 Clarity_nl wrote: iamp how do you feel about palmar, given recent flips. Not very good considering he is now more interested in defending himself while being afk then figuring out who the mafia is the flips really don't concern me at all with palmar his actions do | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On January 07 2013 04:46 iamperfection wrote: say debars if you actually think im mafia we are going to take away your newbie coaching privileges because your absolutely terrible if you think that. Save your insults they aren't needed in this thread | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
The 1-shot thing fits into the set-up... and he claimed a shot... no scumteam does all that with one guy... i don't know... the obvious explanation is: he's a 1shot mason who got shot, because scum thought he's almost confirmed. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On January 07 2013 04:50 supersoft wrote: it might be a theoretical possibility, however as i already pointed out, why would the scumteam send iamp to palmar... The 1-shot thing fits into the set-up... and he claimed a shot... no scumteam does all that with one guy... i don't know... the obvious explanation is: he's a 1shot mason who got shot, because scum thought he's almost confirmed. although the point is why not just day vig if thats the case unless there is some sort of restriction that we are not aware of. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
during the night you were the only one who fits in that pattern. Shoot confirmed townies... not the worst strategy... | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
Listin to me You obviously have some need to try to explain yourself or whatever it is but why not a simple direct explanation of what you want or seek. Why these games? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On January 07 2013 04:55 supersoft wrote: scum obviously aims for almost confirmed townies like keirathi and wbg. during the night you were the only one who fits in that pattern. Shoot confirmed townies... not the worst strategy... But im a mason what other threat do i pose? Why not just save it all for day vigs? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On January 07 2013 04:55 supersoft wrote: scum obviously aims for almost confirmed townies like keirathi and wbg. during the night you were the only one who fits in that pattern. Shoot confirmed townies... not the worst strategy... The problem is they would shoot the obvious save when they can nk iamp 2 minutes later without being blocked | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Anyway I don't think speculating on it will do us any good. Maybe we can revisit it closer to lylo, but right now there's no point since if you take away setup stuff iamp is town, and if you look at setup stuff then iamp is super town. It's just something that doesn't really make sense, but not really something that makes iamp scum. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On January 07 2013 04:59 supersoft wrote: i don't know? maybe we're unlucky and you took a vigshot and they have one dayvig left? That's dumb. That is so dumb. Iamp has looked town, he was an early mason claim with palmar if you actually read back and see how they rode each other. No way a town vig would shoot that | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
especially over all the lurkers | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On January 07 2013 04:59 supersoft wrote: i don't know? maybe we're unlucky and you took a vigshot and they have one dayvig left? I refuse to consider this for my own sanity, what townie in their right mind would vig iamp. No the simply explanation is either scum fucked up or they had/have some sort of plan/reason that we don't know. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
You asked about other possibilities than that. I still believe, that mafia just shot him because he's pretty blue on everyones list. Protection is always a gamble. You never know who's medic and what he's doing. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
I have noticed a few things that are alarming 1) His indifference to taking the helm in this game. His activity is much greater in his town games. 2) His weak reasoning for voting BC. He hides it among all the other stuff in this post, and says that the quoted post "serves mafia interest" without explaining On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote: I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself  + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck? Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day. People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion. ##vote palmar I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC 3) He never pushes BC after that 4) He brings up others, yet no real reasoning On January 05 2013 23:37 Djodref wrote: I could lynch among Hopeless, Sentinel and MZ tomorrow. I have yet to see them do proper scumhunting. I don't think they are all scum though. I'll see how they react to the pressure. What I really like in Clarity's case against Sentinel is how Sentinel is promising to read the thread, without delivering. For example, this was totally unnecessary. And reading Adam's filter takes like less than 5 minutes, so he could have given us his insight instead of saying this. One other thing I didn't like is this post I don't think Sentinel should feel any fear of being killed tonight. It's again another indirect way to hint that he is town, when he doesn't really need to. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 07 2013 04:52 iamperfection wrote: although the point is why not just day vig if thats the case unless there is some sort of restriction that we are not aware of. I already told Toad about this, but the little downside of dayvigs for the mafia is that they could get shot before getting their shot. For example, I don't think that Jackal is a dayvig today, because he was potentially a town vig target. I assume it was the same for other mafia members. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 07 2013 05:03 supersoft wrote: honestly, as scum i would have shot WBG during the night... Unless WBG was completly wrong about his reads besides Jackal there's no reason to let a townie run around, giving away his reads as a confirmed townie while they're somewhat correct. From a mafia perspective that is. Again, if WBG was completly wrong like he was last game, sure whatever. Let him survive, let the confirmed townie defend every single mafia in the game and tell everyone how townish they are and watch while he posts bullshit everyone takes for granted. This does not seem to be the case, so obviously mafia shoots him quickly to deny information. The timing of that shot probably speaks for itself as well, as it was rather quick. Doesn't look like mafia needed a lot of discussion on this one so I'd say there's someting WBG said that was right besides Jackal being mafia that made them insta-vig him instead of, idk, waiting an hour to discuss wether they want him alive a bit longer to let him time to get is wrong reads across. | ||
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