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On August 01 2013 15:50 buckKeefe wrote:
this is a great example of your standard modus operandi when it comes to confrontation. i sent you that PM hours ago, you didnt respond. you made a post saying 'lets keep this to private channels' despite ignoring my private message. then you post it publicly. you sir are a gentleman and a scholar.
man, you are just shutting nanocloud down LOL. you should ask jake if he still has the screenshot of nanocloud harassing him on multiple accounts after he was blocked.
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Stuff like this is ridiculous gotta hate hearing things like this bottom line you can't trust anyone..... Sorry to hear about what happened guys If i could sponsor you I would! Nano Cloud I'll see you tonight! Micro Tourney Son you and me ! >.<
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This is too good. I still have no idea how the hell he was planning on scamming this team that has zero money. Also am confused on how desrow was involved.
Vote lynch ##nanocloud.
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When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry.
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I've read pretty much all the topic and still don't understand how this guy intended to scam money from a team, by posing as a sponsor.
If anything you do the opposite, and pose as a team. Really confused.
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On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote:
When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry.
Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...?
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Normally I am like, dont bring your drama onto TL!
BUT
I take this as a very good PSA.
If you run into these guys per chance in the future, obviously call them out on it!
(and do go into business with them)
Sadly this is esports.
People will always try to scam when they can.
Thats just life.
It also makes me mad that people can be so stupid.
If youre going to run a scam, RUN IT RIGHT.
I hate it(in a way) when, for example, the ex-M5(moscow 5 LoL team) is running this SUPER intricate creditcard scamming gig, and he gets caught because he was sending text messages like "LOL at nasdaq tomorrow)
If you going to scam, do it right.
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On August 01 2013 22:14 Aveng3r wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote:
When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry. Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...?
He never went over the top bragging about himself as that would attract too much attention. However, he does claim to be top EU and NA grandmasters, with both terran and protoss. Thing is no one knew who this guy was a year ago. He just randomly showed up earlier this year claiming top GM on EU. He also mentioned that he played on the DayNine and Tasteless account for a while, don't know if he still is standing by that statement.
Also, just to clarify, Nanocloud was not a bad person to our faces. Who knows what went on behind our backs. Most of us were torn on if we thought he was legit or not because of this. However, incidents occurred that brought his integrity as a player into question over and over. I'd go on but I feel like we are beating a dead horse here.
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I'm from the area.
Message me his address.
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On August 01 2013 22:14 Aveng3r wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote:
When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry. Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...?
http://www.sc2ranks.com/search/hots/global/1v1/all/all/exact/nanocloud
pretty sure it says GM there. There are even 2 replays for you to see for yourself.
oh and for those of you who said he always makes excuses and never practice with the team, you are wrong, I have a replay of him practicing builds with me.
http://ggtracker.com/matches/3798062
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I think this guy is going to get a Flaming bag o' Poo on his doorstep hahaha
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On August 01 2013 10:59 sMiAthena wrote:
there was no negative to the players or smi. the fact is there was a lot that happened behind the scenes w/ text or phone calls, and random fights within the team. they act as if i didnt take a hit as well. they act as if they are the only victims in this.
the sponsor: personally sponsored me and my LoL team himself. then i was in a bad car accident, i was forced to move back to texas, due to the fact i needed some help during my recovery state.
i do wish sMi the best of luck, but i think the actions that have taken place was out of line, especially targeting ME and ONLY me, when im not the one who did all of this. so what if i have 2 things on my "pending" record, people make mistakes. but i guess they are all perfect.
i personally did not make these promises to these players. this is what the sponsor and myself worked out and agreed on, so this is what i was able to offer to them.
of course maybe i didnt take pics or anything RIGHT away when they asked, im sorry but when i spend 8+ hours a day w/ the team and i choose to go out for a night or something, i think i have the right to do that.
anyways, GL sMi wish you the best.
i know things are not do good for you guys, nor me, but please keep in your heart that it wasnt ME who did this.
User was banned for this post.
This is a funny thread. It really takes a moron to think others would be this gullible.
In all fairness tho the team didn`t have all their judgement in this either... Well, luckily not much was lost but time.
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Wow, this was unexpected.
Reminds me of BW days when everything was very weird, including the King Ansandi which was hillarious. But at least he payed up.
Did not know the US scene was such a joke, as clans such as SCA are always playing with top teams.
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Well that sucks but I think as a lower level player you need to be very very suspicious of that stuff. There is hardly anyone who would truly sponsor a player with 0 results.
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this guy is incredibly sad
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On August 01 2013 22:37 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 22:14 Aveng3r wrote:On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote:
When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry. Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...? http://www.sc2ranks.com/search/hots/global/1v1/all/all/exact/nanocloudpretty sure it says GM there. There are even 2 replays for you to see for yourself. oh and for those of you who said he always makes excuses and never practice with the team, you are wrong, I have a replay of him practicing builds with me. http://ggtracker.com/matches/3798062
We never said he never practices, we said he waits for his leveler to get on and practice for him. I mean we all have replays with the Nanocloud account.
The fact is he still has never put forward a compelling argument in his defense. All he does is dodge and deflect.
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I'll know never to bring to light the fact that there is someone attempting to troll/scam teams again. Apparently we should let these kind of people roam the interwebs and SC2 scene screwing over teams and making big promises to players only to end up lying to them and hurting them in the end.
Does it look bad on us? Yes it does. Does it make us look stupid when everything is laid out in front of you without all of the other minor excuses and other tidbits that I left out of the post? Sure does. However, if I never posted this, someone would have posted something and then all of the actual facts would have never been brought to light and things would have probably ended up misconstrued. I wanted to post all of the facts and get all of this speculation over with.
No, he never received any money from us or got anything out from us, however he was planning to. He was planning to make the players pay him money from their tournament winnings. I never told anyone this because I wasn't going to let it happen, but it was mentioned to me by Anderson/Kelly that they were going to ask for a 15%-30% cut from all winnings once the players evaluation period was over. And who's to say he wouldn't have ended up asking people to do other things with promises they would get paid back?
As I've stated, multiple times already, I was suspicious of things right away, especially after I really got involved. I told my guys not to do anything before I had the chance to talk to these individuals and get them to sign contracts stating what they would be doing for the team, how long they would be doing, and what they wanted in return. However, they didn't really listen because they were obviously really excited to get something like this done. I didn't want us to end up making promises that we couldn't keep to players and end up wasting their time, which is exactly what happened. I made the introduction post because the players wanted the post to be done or some sort of public announcement done and also because I am the team's head manager.
I'm sure none of you would ever make the mistake to trust someone you consider a real friend after knowing them years like a few of my players did. I'm sure all of you check each of your friends backgrounds before ever engaging in any form of business. Be it meeting up to play games at a lan, buying them a headset or microphone, etc, we all do these sorts of things without really looking into who that person is.
I'm sorry we can't all be near as smart as all of you. You obviously would have done things a lot differently if you were in our shoes. I'm sorry we "wasted" your time with this. I'm sorry the players lost their time, energy, effort, ended up not being able to attend tournaments they probably would have been able to if they were with another team.
I was seriously dreading making a post on TL, but I knew that something was going to be posted and it would be better if all of the facts were laid out on the table instead of speculation, rumors, and hearsay. I'm now done with this thread.
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On August 01 2013 10:32 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 10:07 sMiAthena wrote:
the funny thing is, sMi takes what they want, and put it on blast on TL, and so i been arrested twice? its not end of the world? nor was a convicted of anything...
amd getting money out of the team? not once did i ask money from them, and rei even offered me $200 of his personal money to help w/ things and i rejected it.
THEN one of their members decided to log on my skype and message people saying rude / negative things. such as to desrow,days, and other players.
these statements : false, they only take the things they want and put it on blast.
GL-.-GG kinda off topic but why do u have a chix name? are u into all that falsifying identification/bondage stuff?
HAHAH
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On August 01 2013 23:22 MadVillian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 22:37 rei wrote:On August 01 2013 22:14 Aveng3r wrote:On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote:
When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry. Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...? http://www.sc2ranks.com/search/hots/global/1v1/all/all/exact/nanocloudpretty sure it says GM there. There are even 2 replays for you to see for yourself. oh and for those of you who said he always makes excuses and never practice with the team, you are wrong, I have a replay of him practicing builds with me. http://ggtracker.com/matches/3798062 We never said he never practices, we said he waits for his leveler to get on and practice for him. I mean we all have replays with the Nanocloud account. The fact is he still has never put forward a compelling argument in his defense. All he does is dodge and deflect.
well the person that played me on that replay is definitely him, because I didn't asked him for the practice, he asked me for it, and since i'm just a nobody who needed 700 games to just get out of diamond league there is no reason he needed someone else to play for him to kick my ass, you can see his micro and macro and multitasking ability matches that of a GM level. If you actually load that replay and compare to the two replay on sc2ranks you know what I meant.
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On August 01 2013 23:30 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 23:22 MadVillian wrote:On August 01 2013 22:37 rei wrote:On August 01 2013 22:14 Aveng3r wrote:On August 01 2013 21:58 MadVillian wrote:
When it rains it pours and let me tell you when it concerns Nanocloud's skill as a player there is none. He dodged practice until a leveler of his was available to play, he claimed he finished top 20 at an MLG last year (then says he was playing under eifer's name), and when asked to stream with webcam he just dodges. Dude claimed Athena was sketchy from the start but so was he. I am actually surprised at his response because most of the "shit" he has on SCA is either incorrect or he was a part of it.
Trying to push blame and mud sling to make the ones calling him out look worse and dodge the overall blame is so juvenile. Just defend yourself then you can go to reddit with your dirty laundry. Can anybody show evidence of this nanocloud figure claiming to be a top level gamer...? http://www.sc2ranks.com/search/hots/global/1v1/all/all/exact/nanocloudpretty sure it says GM there. There are even 2 replays for you to see for yourself. oh and for those of you who said he always makes excuses and never practice with the team, you are wrong, I have a replay of him practicing builds with me. http://ggtracker.com/matches/3798062 We never said he never practices, we said he waits for his leveler to get on and practice for him. I mean we all have replays with the Nanocloud account. The fact is he still has never put forward a compelling argument in his defense. All he does is dodge and deflect. well the person that played me on that replay is definitely him, because I didn't asked him for the practice, he asked me for it, and since i'm just a nobody who needed 700 games to just get out of diamond league there is no reason he needed someone else to play for him to kick my ass, you can see his micro and macro and multitasking ability matches that of a GM level. If you actually load that replay and compare to the two replay on sc2ranks you know what I meant.
Maybe you linked wrong game because it shows him with platinum SQ, which is actually very hard to pull off as even a diamond player. Also with less than 100 apm, are you sure you aren't agreeing with what I am saying?
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