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jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
February 17 2012 23:44 GMT
#241
On February 18 2012 08:14 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 07:27 Steveling wrote:
Gumshoe what's your view on jaj22?

Hes hostile very hostile, but doesn't seem like mafia.

I just don't like day 1, because I can't read anyone who doesn't have a decent post count. That's why I'm concentrating on trying to make people post better. If I'm sounding hostile I should correct that because it's likely to put people off posting.

All these things can be interpreted as good mafia play though. What really seals the deal for me in thinking hes town is his efforts to communicate with other mafia semish veterans.

Actually I thought I was mostly ignoring them because they had a decent post output and hadn't done anything daft


My one complaint is that jaj keeps virtually all his findings to himself so far. I expect a case out of him at least before vote just because It seems almost certain that he's picking up a lot on almost everyone here.

Nah, there's no-one that I really want to lynch yet. Hopefully that'll change as the post count increases.

Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
February 17 2012 23:47 GMT
#242
A couple reads
DoYouHas: Pretty strong towny feel to me. He's been willing to call people out and promoting real discussion from the town.
Sloosh: Still on the neutral side, BUT probably leaning toward the town side of things. Since defending himself from Echelon, he's been trying to clear the thread of fluffy responses, to allow for real discussion, which is also what he did in NMM3.
Alderan: Feeling a bit towny to me. He was the first to provide a full-on case against someone, which is usually a pro-town action.
Gumshoe: I still think he may just be a real newbie town, but his posts are clogging up the thread. His post on Jaj22 was pretty unhelpful in my opinion, and seemed kinda wishy-washy and pretty WIFOM at the end.
DimmuKlok: As mentioned by Alderan, he seems scummy. I await his resonse to the case.


gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 17 2012 23:53 GMT
#243
On February 18 2012 08:44 jaj22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 08:14 gumshoe wrote:
On February 18 2012 07:27 Steveling wrote:
Gumshoe what's your view on jaj22?

Hes hostile very hostile, but doesn't seem like mafia.

I just don't like day 1, because I can't read anyone who doesn't have a decent post count. That's why I'm concentrating on trying to make people post better. If I'm sounding hostile I should correct that because it's likely to put people off posting.

Show nested quote +
All these things can be interpreted as good mafia play though. What really seals the deal for me in thinking hes town is his efforts to communicate with other mafia semish veterans.

Actually I thought I was mostly ignoring them because they had a decent post output and hadn't done anything daft

Show nested quote +

My one complaint is that jaj keeps virtually all his findings to himself so far. I expect a case out of him at least before vote just because It seems almost certain that he's picking up a lot on almost everyone here.

Nah, there's no-one that I really want to lynch yet. Hopefully that'll change as the post count increases.



I know you see more than you let on, but I don't mind you waiting till a few hours before vote to let us in on your grand scheme. Furthermore the conversation with the decent posters seemed like a good way to get a few better players talking without provoking them like several other players did to get certain posters talking(including yourself at one point in the case of blae) so it struck me as constructive. Good townies build towns.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
DimmuKlok
Profile Joined June 2010
United States225 Posts
February 17 2012 23:56 GMT
#244
Hey guys,

I'm currently posting from my phone. I have seen the case agaisnt me but it's really hard for me to reply right now. I plan to make a response tonight because I should be able get on my laptop. If I'm not able to get to my laptop, I'll be making a response via my mobile, regardless as to how long it takes me.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 17 2012 23:58 GMT
#245
On February 18 2012 08:47 Janaan wrote:
A couple reads
DoYouHas: Pretty strong towny feel to me. He's been willing to call people out and promoting real discussion from the town.
Sloosh: Still on the neutral side, BUT probably leaning toward the town side of things. Since defending himself from Echelon, he's been trying to clear the thread of fluffy responses, to allow for real discussion, which is also what he did in NMM3.
Alderan: Feeling a bit towny to me. He was the first to provide a full-on case against someone, which is usually a pro-town action.
Gumshoe: I still think he may just be a real newbie town, but his posts are clogging up the thread. His post on Jaj22 was pretty unhelpful in my opinion, and seemed kinda wishy-washy and pretty WIFOM at the end.
DimmuKlok: As mentioned by Alderan, he seems scummy. I await his resonse to the case.




Sorry Jaj hasn't posted much so there aint much to read yet but I don't get a scummy vibe off him so take my opinion for what you will.


gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
February 18 2012 00:09 GMT
#246
On February 18 2012 08:58 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 08:47 Janaan wrote:
A couple reads
DoYouHas: Pretty strong towny feel to me. He's been willing to call people out and promoting real discussion from the town.
Sloosh: Still on the neutral side, BUT probably leaning toward the town side of things. Since defending himself from Echelon, he's been trying to clear the thread of fluffy responses, to allow for real discussion, which is also what he did in NMM3.
Alderan: Feeling a bit towny to me. He was the first to provide a full-on case against someone, which is usually a pro-town action.
Gumshoe: I still think he may just be a real newbie town, but his posts are clogging up the thread. His post on Jaj22 was pretty unhelpful in my opinion, and seemed kinda wishy-washy and pretty WIFOM at the end.
DimmuKlok: As mentioned by Alderan, he seems scummy. I await his resonse to the case.




Sorry Jaj hasn't posted much so there aint much to read yet but I don't get a scummy vibe off him so take my opinion for what you will.

No need to apologize, if that's what you really thought, then there's nothing to apologize for. The part that really kinda bugged me was
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 18 2012 08:14 gumshoe wrote:
All these things can be interpreted as good mafia play though. What really seals the deal for me in thinking hes town is his efforts to communicate with other mafia semish veterans. None of the other frequentish players have really done this. It gives me a sense that Jaj is trying to create a community of individuals he trusts, which he wouldn't have to do if he was mafia. He's also forcing those same people to talk, because they can also turn out to be the biggest threats having already played the game a bit

Jaj is trying to make friends not by pointing fingers or discrediting someone, but by calling out to the players he knows. That seems like really strong positive play to me and sorta dispels his scumish vibe.

It just seemed like a VERY WIFOM argument to me, saying that you know what he's trying to do. That's all, really. I was just a bit confused by it.
Alderan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
February 18 2012 00:10 GMT
#247
On February 18 2012 08:20 jaj22 wrote:
MannerKiss, Zelblade, TKHawkins and EchelonTee haven't shown up yet today. That's going to make it tough to get a majority lynch if they keep the same hours tomorrow. The first three of those have lurked hardcore so far and really need to post.




These guys are really putting us in a tough spot. Can't make reads without posts. Look forward to Steveling and Dimmu's post though.
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
February 18 2012 00:31 GMT
#248
Ok, screw it. I'm making a case.

MidnightGladius:

1. Starts off with a number of completely useless posts on setup. Didn't even do the probability.
2. Makes the usual post on ET vs Sloosh and Gumshoe's poll. Yeah, so did everyone else.
3. Votes the easy target (MannerKiss) with an elaborate lurker-lynch reasoning.
4. Votes the easy target (Gumshoe) because he spams and sucks at statistics.

That's it. Low post count apart from the setup filler. No interest in anyone in except the easy targets, and contributing next to nothing to town as a result. I don't think he posted much more in Newbie Mini III, but he had the excuse of being blue there, and it was a slower game (too damn slow). He should know better.

Probably much too early to be putting people in bold red, but I'm bored waiting for all the lurkers to post.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
February 18 2012 00:31 GMT
#249
I'm going out tonight, so I can't post substantively at the moment.

Someone asked me about the people I was aggressive towards.

DoYouHas? Uhh I don't remember being aggresive towards him, I simply responded to his FoS.

slOosh? needs more info

gumshoe? he's the bastard stepchild of Sinensis and Bluelightz (from my normal mini game). That means, making bad, complicated plans, and posting lists of stuff. Does not mean he's scum. Not very helpful, but not scum at this point. I directly accused him because I thought he would panic if he was mafia.

FoS: DimmuKlok

Why? In his first post, he agrees with gumshoe's list posting thing (which is not optimal, fyi), but doesn't post as such with the excuse that he has no suspicions yet. not overly suspicious, and does hint that these list should be private, but this feels to me like he is asking people to post lists, while giving an excuse for him not to. This is anti-town.

Next, he accuses MannerKiss and gumshoe, who are the most obvious and easy to pick on targets. Scum love to target 1. obvious noobs 2. people acting rly strangely, because they can post "logic" about how said person is scummy, even though they are just picking on sub-optimal play, not necessarily scummy play. I did this repeatedly in my past games as scum. This makes me suspicious.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
February 18 2012 00:34 GMT
#250
On February 18 2012 09:31 jaj22 wrote:
Probably much too early to be putting people in bold red, but I'm bored waiting for all the lurkers to post.


Never too early to do so, unless you're making wild, baseless claims. And if this kind of activity maintains through the game, town is in good shape.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
MannerKiss
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2398 Posts
February 18 2012 00:42 GMT
#251
Sorry i've been absent, work related stuff. Trying to catch up on the thread.

Doyouhas pretty strong townie feeling to me.

gumshoe - trying my best to overcome some scummy feeling from the earliest post, but it seems to have cleared up a little since the poll.

Dimmuklok giving me the strongest scum vibe of all so far, (and not just because he's aggressive toward me).

ET - also giving off a townie feeling

i'll catch up on everyone else when i get home this evening
I want an igloo.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
February 18 2012 00:43 GMT
#252
On February 18 2012 05:20 Steveling wrote:
Ok, just woke up and caught on the action.

So, my view on the whole thing is that we should push for a no lynch day 1.



No. I will eat a baby if that happens.

+ Show Spoiler +
not really, but seriously, no.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
February 18 2012 00:44 GMT
#253
On February 18 2012 09:42 MannerKiss wrote:
Sorry i've been absent, work related stuff. Trying to catch up on the thread.

Doyouhas pretty strong townie feeling to me.

gumshoe - trying my best to overcome some scummy feeling from the earliest post, but it seems to have cleared up a little since the poll.

Dimmuklok giving me the strongest scum vibe of all so far, (and not just because he's aggressive toward me).

ET - also giving off a townie feeling

i'll catch up on everyone else when i get home this evening


don't buddy to me, I don't like that. Talk about my points, if you agree with me.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 18 2012 00:45 GMT
#254
On February 18 2012 09:31 jaj22 wrote:
Ok, screw it. I'm making a case.

MidnightGladius:

1. Starts off with a number of completely useless posts on setup. Didn't even do the probability.
2. Makes the usual post on ET vs Sloosh and Gumshoe's poll. Yeah, so did everyone else.
3. Votes the easy target (MannerKiss) with an elaborate lurker-lynch reasoning.
4. Votes the easy target (Gumshoe) because he spams and sucks at statistics.

That's it. Low post count apart from the setup filler. No interest in anyone in except the easy targets, and contributing next to nothing to town as a result. I don't think he posted much more in Newbie Mini III, but he had the excuse of being blue there, and it was a slower game (too damn slow). He should know better.

Probably much too early to be putting people in bold red, but I'm bored waiting for all the lurkers to post.


You're not even going to vote for me?
Trust in Bayes.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 18 2012 00:47 GMT
#255
On February 18 2012 09:42 MannerKiss wrote:
Sorry i've been absent, work related stuff. Trying to catch up on the thread.

Doyouhas pretty strong townie feeling to me.

gumshoe - trying my best to overcome some scummy feeling from the earliest post, but it seems to have cleared up a little since the poll.

Dimmuklok giving me the strongest scum vibe of all so far, (and not just because he's aggressive toward me).

ET - also giving off a townie feeling

i'll catch up on everyone else when i get home this evening


Welcome back! The last we saw you, DYH was your first scumread. Now, he's "pretty strong townie"?
Trust in Bayes.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
February 18 2012 00:49 GMT
#256
On February 18 2012 09:47 MidnightGladius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 09:42 MannerKiss wrote:
Sorry i've been absent, work related stuff. Trying to catch up on the thread.

Doyouhas pretty strong townie feeling to me.

gumshoe - trying my best to overcome some scummy feeling from the earliest post, but it seems to have cleared up a little since the poll.

Dimmuklok giving me the strongest scum vibe of all so far, (and not just because he's aggressive toward me).

ET - also giving off a townie feeling

i'll catch up on everyone else when i get home this evening


Welcome back! The last we saw you, DYH was your first scumread. Now, he's "pretty strong townie"?


He was trolling, most likely. You are not.

##Vote MidnightGladius

more after these messages!
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
February 18 2012 00:51 GMT
#257
EBWOP:

##Vote: MidnightGladius

Apologies for posting in a spammy style. I am literally changing into a suit while watching people post this stuffz
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 18 2012 00:51 GMT
#258
Finally some excitement! Or are you just going to run some of that point-by-point analysis with the red numbers?
Trust in Bayes.
DoYouHas
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1140 Posts
February 18 2012 00:51 GMT
#259
Here is my thinking on gumshoe so far. I think he is a townie.

gumshoe has done a number of things that are not helping the town. The have been pointed out quite a few times so I won't go into depth about them now. Things like derailing, cluttering, unclear-ness, lying, a few inconsistencies. Yet in spite of this my intuition keeps pulling me towards a townie read for him. Here are a few of the things that are informing this stance:

First and foremost is gumshoe's reckless and active posting style. I just don't see him as someone who is checking his posts with team members or even as someone who is going to a mafia QT and discussing his moves. He strikes me as playing by the seat of his pants, which is something I would not expect of scum on day1. This is supported by the little inconsistencies in his posting (I am thinking specifically about the one trackd00r pointed out)

Secondly, gumshoe has both continued to defend himself about the poll while admitting that it makes him look scummy. I would expect a couple things from a scum put in a similar situation. Either he would play it off as a ploy and a joke in order to get people talking (which he did somewhat) and then try to put it behind him, or he would take some early shots at throwing suspicion onto someone else. He did not try to put it behind him, he even says that you would be crazy not to be suspicious of him for the poll. He took a long long time to start throwing actual suspicions around which I think is a long time to wait when you are scum and in the spotlight early.

Like I said at the start, this is a stance based on intuition, not solid logic. So feel free to pick at it.

I'll leave you with a bit of information that I've been keeping track of.

People who have been defending/supporting gumshoe (soft or otherwise): + Show Spoiler +
struck out names are for those who have switched

DoYouHas, Alderan, Janaan, TKHawkins, MidnightGladius

People who have been attacking/suspicious of gumshoe:
MidnightGladius, blae000, ET, Steveling(kinda), trackd00r, sl0osh, Dimmuklok, jaj22, DoYouHas




Guts? Determination? $5?
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
February 18 2012 00:54 GMT
#260
On February 18 2012 09:51 MidnightGladius wrote:
Finally some excitement! Or are you just going to run some of that point-by-point analysis with the red numbers?


you're hilarious.


DoYouHas, I'm soft defending gumshoe now. I guess you were writing up your post without seeing the updates. We have the same thoughts though. Let's lynch MidnightGladius. Or DimmuKloK

no seriously, I gtg. I love the activity though, so refreshing
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
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