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On December 21 2011 00:05 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 23:57 kitaman27 wrote:The traitor will obviously be trying to alert the mafia to his presence so if we cut down the flavor, its a lot less likely they will be able to slip in a post about the Eggs Benedict they were eating during the Hey Arnold! marathon. Plus it means GMarshal can't hide his fraudulent arguments in a wall of nonsense  Also, ##Vote Liquid`Sheth Or the Mafia are alerting the traitor to them. Could go either way.
I don't think there is any reason for the mafia to risk outing themselves in the thread in an attempt to communicate with the traitor. The traitor doesn't need to know the mafia to be able to help out, however the traitor has plenty of reason to make himself known to the mafia because he wants to avoid being shot by the mafia.
Which could be the only upside of Chezinu's play assuming he actually is the traitor, but I don't think he really was in any danger of being shot with just his normal play.
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And yes I understand the whole "Chezinu is Chezinu" aspect but he is obviously capable of strong play. There are certain players where you see them do something completely worthless but you know they aren't capable of any more than that (not going to name any names); Chezinu is obviously not such a case. Yes he's entertaining and yes he's a bit crazy but there should be no reason that he isn't held to the standard of play that he is perfectly capable of.
The entire flavour of the game is for people to play to their best. The player list was tailored in the interest of promoting strong play, we shouldn't have to deal with people posting things that are obviously detrimental to Town but still entertain the worry that they are Town. I can't be the only one to have gone through the frustrations of having a Town where you can't tell people trolling/being insanely dense from Mafia. It shouldn't be an issue in this game.
Keeping the quality of posts high places pressure on Mafia since they have to elevate their play or face exposure. Inserting a bit of personality or fun into your posts is hardly detrimental as long as you put actual content and effort into them.
Aside from Chezinu I have the most issue with bum's posts so far. He's spent the game miring his posts in confusion with the excuse that he's trying to draw Mafia actions or trigger blue roles which shouldn't be the primary concern of any Townie. His accusation is paper-thin and focuses entirely around one question that I asked with the reasoning that forcing a response out of someone is somehow scummy. He accuses me of not following up on my question when I made it very clear that I thought Chezinu's posts were a Traitor claim. The rest of the "case" is two big paragraphs talking about L then he concludes it with a vote on me.
/Curu
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On December 21 2011 00:55 SamuelLJackson wrote:
And yes I understand the whole "Chezinu is Chezinu" aspect but he is obviously capable of strong play. There are certain players where you see them do something completely worthless but you know they aren't capable of any more than that (not going to name any names); Chezinu is obviously not such a case. Yes he's entertaining and yes he's a bit crazy but there should be no reason that he isn't held to the standard of play that he is perfectly capable of.
The entire flavour of the game is for people to play to their best. The player list was tailored in the interest of promoting strong play, we shouldn't have to deal with people posting things that are obviously detrimental to Town but still entertain the worry that they are Town. I can't be the only one to have gone through the frustrations of having a Town where you can't tell people trolling/being insanely dense from Mafia. It shouldn't be an issue in this game.
Keeping the quality of posts high places pressure on Mafia since they have to elevate their play or face exposure. Inserting a bit of personality or fun into your posts is hardly detrimental as long as you put actual content and effort into them.
Aside from Chezinu I have the most issue with bum's posts so far. He's spent the game miring his posts in confusion with the excuse that he's trying to draw Mafia actions or trigger blue roles which shouldn't be the primary concern of any Townie. His accusation is paper-thin and focuses entirely around one question that I asked with the reasoning that forcing a response out of someone is somehow scummy. He accuses me of not following up on my question when I made it very clear that I thought Chezinu's posts were a Traitor claim. The rest of the "case" is two big paragraphs talking about L then he concludes it with a vote on me.
/Curu
You see Jack,
When it comes to bums, That is were you and I differ. At large, I find the bum to be posting the most content. He is a hero. He started off this game risking his life to save this town. He has been inspirational. He gave me the encouragement to not fear death and the Ver. He is leading this town by example. Fearless triggering the hidden mechanics that make the roles go round. Not only this, he points out the scum that are painted in red. Right now, he is my closest ally that has spoken. I find myself in the same plane as this bum. However, I will admit that I have not cross all the trip wire that I can think of. I am somewhat holding back. For now, the specific trip wire will remain nameless.
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On December 20 2011 21:39 GMarshal wrote:quote fail. Lets try again Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 18:59 L wrote:
RE: The hydra
I have no idea what/who this is, but I think I happened across it twice reading the thread. Is this someone's nickname? I haven't kept up with the last few (months of) games, so hook a brother up.
A hydra is an account shared by two players, in this case SamuelLJackson shared by Curu and Sandroba. They are, of course the ideal target for a day one lynch! As they have the issue of being extremely difficult to read, because of the two heads. ##Vote: SamuelLJackson Also, as much as I love Chezinu, is anyone up for either policy lynching him or teaching me how the hell you get a grasp on his alignment? I enjoy his insanity, but its hardly conducive to figuring out his alignment.
Nah, you are only as strong as your weakest link. I'd be more scared of them as mafia using that logic. They have twice the time to analyze and I know they are both decent players, sandroba particularly can be a good scum hunter sometimes.
I am a bit curious how my name got into your first post gman <3 and that's the thing about chezinu. You never know and the mafia will rarely hit him because hes always a potential wasted lynch because he plays weird as shit and it becomes hard to actually develop a proper behavioral read off of him. If I was to policy lynch anyone it would be him because I find his play discernible either way which helps the mafia way more. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he was actually the traitor right now, seems like something he might do to try to draw a quick mafia recruit on him and its not even that bad of an idea.
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Alright, can you guys please stop speculating on the set up and "triggers". Does this look like insane mafia? Does it look like closed casket mafia? It isn't a themed game, it's normal. You aren't going to say anything that's going to trigger some ridiculous mechanic that blows up half the town. I doubt there is anything anyone can do apart from activity queues that going to trigger some divine intervention.
We all know that role claiming is stupid though and can never be trusted. The mafia know what possible roles there are and how claiming only giving more information to them because they know whether your role exists or not. Inversely the mafia know which roles they can claim that likely exist and might get them support from other people who actually have the role. IE: IF I am getting lynched, I claim the specific medic role I know to exist, hopefully the other actual medics that are likely in the game realize that role exists and therefore believe I must have it.
So the only other punishable thing I could think of we should never have a need for, which is role claiming since it only hurts us. The mafia will never know if they killed a blue or not and I'd rather we kill the blue and the mafia are still scared of the potential of that blue still being alive, than know more likely than not that someone claimed medic before they were lynched, and they are likely to actually be a medic, meaning better chance sniping prominent figures isn't blocked.
So don't be dumb, if I fistpound palmar a nuke isn't going to go off somewhere.
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On December 21 2011 01:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright, can you guys please stop speculating on the set up and "triggers". Does this look like insane mafia? Does it look like closed casket mafia? It isn't a themed game, it's normal. You aren't going to say anything that's going to trigger some ridiculous mechanic that blows up half the town. I doubt there is anything anyone can do apart from activity queues that going to trigger some divine intervention.
1.This game is insane.
2. It is themed.
3. There are triggers.
4.Just wait til tonight to see the triggers in work, muahhahaha.
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On December 20 2011 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:17 SamuelLJackson wrote:On December 20 2011 14:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
I tried to get a straight answer from Ace about this in the game I played with him, but he was...not willing to play with me. What good does an RNG vote do for town? Honestly, if we all decide that's how we start off, no one is going to be dumb enough to try and derail the lynch if it happens to land on scum, so really, what information can possibly be gained? I'm serious, this has been bugging me ever since that game because he flipped town and I don't understand the motivation. It's essentially the same start to the game as the random voting stage that takes place on mafiascum (you play there don't you?). It's something to kick the game off and generate discussion. bum your first post is beyond bad. You're deciding that we should be the subject of any impasse in votes with justification which is the exact opposite of RNG (while still trying to disguise it as RNG). I hope you put more thought and logic into your next posts. I get RVS, but the results wouldn't be "random" because it would involve trusting a "random" member of town to produce "unbiased random" results, which is not possible. And on MafiaScum, the votes in RVS are rarely "random", that's a pretty common misnomer over there. Anyway, I don't condone it. I can't get past the 'no information' aspect of RNG voting D1.
Why in the world are we discussing day 1 RNG? It has never happened and never will happen -.-
On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches.
Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything.
I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess.
There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch.
On December 20 2011 21:39 GMarshal wrote:quote fail. Lets try again Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 18:59 L wrote:
RE: The hydra
I have no idea what/who this is, but I think I happened across it twice reading the thread. Is this someone's nickname? I haven't kept up with the last few (months of) games, so hook a brother up.
A hydra is an account shared by two players, in this case SamuelLJackson shared by Curu and Sandroba. They are, of course the ideal target for a day one lynch! As they have the issue of being extremely difficult to read, because of the two heads. ##Vote: SamuelLJackson Also, as much as I love Chezinu, is anyone up for either policy lynching him or teaching me how the hell you get a grasp on his alignment? I enjoy his insanity, but its hardly conducive to figuring out his alignment.
I swear I played with normal Chez once, but then again he was mafia that time... iirc. Not like that helps make the decision. I'll put him under the category of "hard to read".
Lynching someone who is hard to read is a bad idea because 1) it is a useless lynch so we don't get that much discussion / information. 2) hard to read =/= mafia. Actually it probably means useless town.
I'll just wait for chez to regain his sanity
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That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance.
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On December 20 2011 22:55 bumatlarge wrote:A post I feel displays scummy instigation - Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:31 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Chezinu I wanna ask you something.
How would you feel about lynching the Traitor day 1? Things to note: Speaking directly to an individual in a single post. Nearly forces some kind of a response. Also, implications of something else. I see no reference to what you are trying to do here. If you are pushing a cheznu lynch, then do it, and take the responsibility. Once you gain responsibility, I feel you gain the right to force other to make others do so as well. This could technically avoid triggers in the game if you word it improperly, or should I say properly? That leads me into the next method.
1) This speculates on word triggers. Are they actually in the game? We have no idea, and even if there are any, it doesn't necessarily mean the person is mafia.
2) What's wrong with talking to one specific person...
Avoidance: Purposefully with-holding aspects you would normally include in your posts to decrease chances of effects. Making as little interaction with the mechanic as you can. Again, it's neutral, a strong townie or strong blue can have just as much reason to stay alive as scum. Straying from your habits can be the best way to practice avoidance. Avoidance post: Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:30 L wrote:
Alright, straight off the bat people are saying that we need good posts.
No shit.
Not only is the concept of the game surrounding the idea that poor play will be punished, but there's also the notion that we've got relatively few players. in the game. 5 to 15 or so. This means that best case scenario, we can win day 5 through lynches alone, but that's a rather long timeframe to close out a game. So poor play seems to be some form of game accelerant, and the 'poorer' the play, the less in our favor it seems to be.
So! What do we do? Post with content and condense your points. Keep your short posts to yourself and clump them up to make substantive comments. I'd say that posts between 6 and 15 lines are large enough to be substantive, but short enough to be read. But that shit is obvious. There's a bigger question here, however, which is what we're going to do with the first vote.
RNG is probably the worst possible idea; gives us next to zero information regarding how people argue and its practically an excuse for people to not post anything because there's no element of responsibility attached to it. Either way, we're going to want ideas down on the table asap. And not like dicks, either. Cut it out bum/prplhz. Things to note: L's personality is often abrasive but he gets the job done. I feel he's put in effort into to make this post different from an opening post he would make in an open set-up. He does mention interesting tid-bits that I feel we should discuss, and if it must be through me rather then L, I will take that responsibility for him. Responsibility is an accelerant in the same way power roles are accelerant. It's just that regular townies have sway. I think L brings up a good point here and I would like if he expounds on it. He also makes a good point on RNG preventing sources of responsibility. I definitely agree, but to what point can we rely that all responsibility held will benefit town? I think further speculation on that is useless without information, so this made me think that responsibility is a method in and of itself a way to garner information. Thanks for making me realize this L. I'd definitely disagree with palmar's claim that L's first post is "bad". I think a proper term is "hindered".
Won't argue with you here. I agree the post doesn't say much
So that gives us method number three...
Responsi-Probe: Purposefully lining your posts with the intention to trigger effects. I have been doing this in every one of my posts, initially with the notion that there must be protective and investigative roles that have requirements, so I'm willing to make myself an option, while also drawing some unfriendly fire. I'm not claiming anything, just that there are a lot of vets to take inito account, so I would have no issue being the target of a mafia ability if it would have been another town player. With L's post, I also realized that putting myself out there and tripping wires, I might be able to gain whatever little information I can through whatever Ver reveals. Someone should take a hefty amount of responsibility so we can learn something. A noble cause in my book.
For the lynch, I'm going to vote the hydra. No, it isn't RNG, it's his use of instigation with-out much follow up. Chezinu's style is not unknown, and I have no reason to think he's claiming anything. You are shoving words in his mouth, and I don't completely know the reasoning. You are attempting to open him up to take responsibility and your explanations are not sufficient. Let chezinu decide how much responsibility he will take.
##Vote: SamuelLJackson
Again.... what's up with you and triggers.... Just because someone has a trigger doesn't mean they are mafia.
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On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance.
Or we could just ignore roles and work on analysis, since in a half flip setup with completely unknown mechanics its going to be hard to sort out truth from lies.
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On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance.
So you are saying we should all role claim right now?
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On December 21 2011 01:59 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. Or we could just ignore roles and work on analysis, since in a half flip setup with completely unknown mechanics its going to be hard to sort out truth from lies.
There is no reason why we can't do both and we it shouldn't be that difficult given that we get alignment flips. Are you going to answer why you voted for curu/sandroba hydra over chezinu on the grounds of hydra being difficult to read and then proceeded to say chezinu can't be read
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On December 21 2011 02:00 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. So you are saying we should all role claim right now?
No, are you saying you can't read?
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On December 21 2011 02:02 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:59 GMarshal wrote:On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. Or we could just ignore roles and work on analysis, since in a half flip setup with completely unknown mechanics its going to be hard to sort out truth from lies. There is no reason why we can't do both and we it shouldn't be that difficult given that we get alignment flips. Are you going to answer why you voted for curu/sandroba hydra over chezinu on the grounds of hydra being difficult to read and then proceeded to say chezinu can't be read
Sure, it is because I hate hydras, with a burning passion.
Also how is Chezinu going to react to being voted? He's going to do something like talk about how the word responsibility triggers the end of time or something, our many headed friend however might yield something more interesting.
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On December 21 2011 02:02 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 02:00 LSB wrote:On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. So you are saying we should all role claim right now? No, are you saying you can't read?
I'm very confused. When you are saying
On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect
Is it in response to this statement?
On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch.
If not, what statement is it in response to?
If it is, are you defending chez's statement that people should straight out claim right now? Or are you introducing an obvious yet irrelevant point?
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On December 21 2011 02:23 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 02:02 syllogism wrote:On December 21 2011 02:00 LSB wrote:On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. So you are saying we should all role claim right now? No, are you saying you can't read? I'm very confused. When you are saying Is it in response to this statement? Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 01:52 LSB wrote:On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches. Just knowing the roles doesn't mean anything. I can tell you there is probably a cop, doc, sk, vig, ect ect. What does that help you with? Night actions I guess. There is a big difference between knowing who has who's role, and just knowing the list of roles. For example, if we knew that there was a traitor, we wouldn't do much. However if we knew that Chez was the traitor, that would be an easy day 1 lynch. If not, what statement is it in response to? If it is, are you defending chez's statement that people should straight out claim right now? Or are you introducing an obvious yet irrelevant point?
It was a response to RebirthOfLeGenD, who seemed to be advocating not claiming, ever
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On December 21 2011 02:23 LSB wrote:
chez's statement that people should straight out claim right now
uhh where did you see that?
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On December 21 2011 02:32 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 02:23 LSB wrote:
chez's statement that people should straight out claim right now uhh where did you see that?
On December 20 2011 19:15 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 19:04 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it is.
Chezinu played just fine as Town in Personality, enough to make him a night 1 shot. IIRC he was playing fine in Closed Casket as Town as well.
The one game I remember him nonstop trolling and posting nothing but nonsense was LSB's game where he was 3rd party SK and claimed it day 1. Yeah it's early in day 1 and most people haven't even posted yet which is why I said if this is just some random nonsensical idea from him as Town then the onus is on him to start actually playing the game. Listen Jack, Town doesn't know the roles. Mafia does. What does this mean? If you have a crazy role to play, the mafia knows this. The town doesn't. However! There are some black roles out there and quite a few.. them mafia don't know about them except for that traitor other there. Here we are day 1 and it is so dark you might as well call it night and its going to be a long night for many of us are going to die. It bound to come up. Role claiming. As much as I would love to claim a bank, I'm not. If people claim blue the mafia can spot lying townies. or lying blues claiming to be other blues.. oh wait.. thats a great idea! How about I act like a blue role claiming to be a different blue role to make the mafia think I'm a green or black claiming blue? yeah thats good. Ok guys. I got the nazi role.. if your grammar is so bad, I cna kills yous! But watch out, if you correct someone's grammar in the thread. There may be a role that is hunting them grammar nazis.. Ver is trying to turn us into professionals. Its his secret plan. so type dull proper structured formal long writings guys! oh and don't forget to have fun adhering to these rules to avoid certain deaths.. but don't forget you still have to deal with the lynches.
Whatever you are trying to say here. I'm still trying to understand your posts and what you are getting at
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On December 20 2011 23:57 kitaman27 wrote:The traitor will obviously be trying to alert the mafia to his presence so if we cut down the flavor, its a lot less likely they will be able to slip in a post about the Eggs Benedict they were eating during the Hey Arnold! marathon. Plus it means GMarshal can't hide his fraudulent arguments in a wall of nonsense Also, ##Vote Liquid`Sheth
Don't do it!
Chezinu its fine to keep acting weird for a bit, but realize your not helping town by confusing things.
I'm not down for killing the hydra, curu and me are buds.
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On December 21 2011 02:05 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 02:02 syllogism wrote:On December 21 2011 01:59 GMarshal wrote:On December 21 2011 01:53 syllogism wrote:
That is incorrect; for instance information roles have to role claim because the lack of role flips prevents us from just going through their post history in order to figure out their investigation results and such. Indeed the threat of night kill might make claiming relatively early worth considering, even if you only have town results. Similarly if a medic protects someone and gets lynched without claiming the protection, mafia can later on gamble and claim the protection. The latter is a bit far fetched scenario, but a strict no claiming strategy is not good. Actually another advantage is that it will be easier later on to determine whether certain claims make sense in terms of balance. Or we could just ignore roles and work on analysis, since in a half flip setup with completely unknown mechanics its going to be hard to sort out truth from lies. There is no reason why we can't do both and we it shouldn't be that difficult given that we get alignment flips. Are you going to answer why you voted for curu/sandroba hydra over chezinu on the grounds of hydra being difficult to read and then proceeded to say chezinu can't be read Sure, it is because I hate hydras, with a burning passion.
Pushing a policy you announced pre-game doesn't help us determine where you stand. Even if you do hate hydras, you have to do better than that and actually make a case why they are scummy, rather than stating that they are just hard to read.
On December 21 2011 02:46 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Don't do it!
Chezinu its fine to keep acting weird for a bit, but realize your not helping town by confusing things.
I'm not down for killing the hydra, curu and me are buds.
You were more than willing to freely share your opinion in election mafia. I'd like to see more of that this game.
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