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ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
December 08 2011 04:05 GMT
#2521
Personally i prefer
26.Rc1
putting our Rook into action feels more important than taking a pawn that we can take later anyway. Plus things doesn't look very bleak to my superficial outlook :3
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hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
December 08 2011 04:24 GMT
#2522
26. Rb1
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HypertonicHydroponic
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
437 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 05:34:58
December 08 2011 05:15 GMT
#2523
I hope it is not too late to join in... I just remembered this thread today and saw how much it had progressed since the last time I looked. And... well, I was toying around with some knight moves for the last move which obviously wasn't (e4) but now that that's moot, I guess I'll have to reconsider the lines. From what I uh, "briefly" looked at during lunch I didn't like this move so I didn't explore it very deeply. Tbh, I think I see white playing for a draw at this point and hoping for a mistake. In any event, I'll chime in with my vote and maybe some analysis for the next move... when if the next deadline?

Edit: btw, someone mentioned not expecting c5... I was pretty convinced this would be the next move when another person even earlier mentioned fearing this move. In many of the lines I played out myself it put black in good position to win since the only real advantage white has right now is material. Busting open the center allows black to exploit the strength of the double bishops and the white king stuck in the corner which at this point is more of a danger than a refuge.
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dtvu
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia687 Posts
December 08 2011 05:21 GMT
#2524
26. Rc1
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
December 08 2011 05:32 GMT
#2525
On December 08 2011 13:24 hp.Shell wrote:
26. Rb1
+ Show Spoiler +
26...RxR 27. NxR dxe4 and Black has gotten a pawn for free.

'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
December 08 2011 06:17 GMT
#2526
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't see the problem with 26. exd5?
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mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
December 08 2011 06:25 GMT
#2527
I honestly feel like this game is lost for white, although I was one of the people who voted e4. Between working 50 hours a week, commuting back and fourth between towns twice a week, and skyrim, I ran out of time for chess I feel very bad now.
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ApocAlypsE007
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Israel1007 Posts
December 08 2011 07:11 GMT
#2528
Don't have the time to sit here on the move but for a glance Rc1 seem strong here. On the previous vote I did saw 25... c5 when I voted 25. e4 and I planned to follow up with 26. cxd5 but there was a hole in the analysis that I found only after the vote so I guess my bad...
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Befree
Profile Joined April 2010
695 Posts
December 08 2011 07:35 GMT
#2529
I wish I had noticed this thread earlier. I'd like to sign up and cast my vote for this move still if its okay.

26. Rc1

+ Show Spoiler +
I think the potential threat to the king and both the bishops make it our best move. With his pawn coming to d4 and ours eventually going to d5, I think we'll be looking good.

I think we have a pretty good shot at winning, or at least a draw, still the way it looks. With Rc1, and our Knight/Bishop positions it looks to me like we're in a more powerful position.
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
December 08 2011 11:24 GMT
#2530
On December 08 2011 15:25 mastergriggy wrote:
I honestly feel like this game is lost for white, although I was one of the people who voted e4. Between working 50 hours a week, commuting back and fourth between towns twice a week, and skyrim, I ran out of time for chess I feel very bad now.
I don't understand all the pessimism. Suppose 26. dxe5. Where do you see the loss for White here? Give me a line.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 20:02:00
December 08 2011 11:30 GMT
#2531
In the meantime: I've been deciding between 26. Rc1 and 26. dxe5exd5. While I think that they have potential to transpose, I'm going to cast my vote for 26. dxe5exd5
+ Show Spoiler +
because of 26. Rc1 Bd6

edited for dyslexia (thanks, mastergriggy!)
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loginn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France815 Posts
December 08 2011 12:54 GMT
#2532

This is how i see things going.

+ Show Spoiler +
26.Rc1-c4 which is really bad. We lose some more tempo or lose a pawn. His pawn is already passed so he doesn't need to take our pawn in d4 with it.

I don't like 26.dxe5 either. Afterwards we cannot do anything with our pawn anymore. It'll be stuck there forever until it dies.

I'm considering 26.Be3. What do you guys think ??


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TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 13:32:34
December 08 2011 13:29 GMT
#2533
EDIT: -nvm-
TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
December 08 2011 13:48 GMT
#2534
On December 08 2011 21:54 loginn wrote:

This is how i see things going.

+ Show Spoiler +
26.Rc1-c4 which is really bad. We lose some more tempo or lose a pawn. His pawn is already passed so he doesn't need to take our pawn in d4 with it.

I don't like 26.dxe5 either. Afterwards we cannot do anything with our pawn anymore. It'll be stuck there forever until it dies.

I'm considering 26.Be3. What do you guys think ??




Well it will be 26.Be3 cxd4 right ?
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
December 08 2011 13:58 GMT
#2535
On December 08 2011 21:54 loginn wrote:

This is how i see things going.

+ Show Spoiler +
26.Rc1-c4 which is really bad. We lose some more tempo or lose a pawn. His pawn is already passed so he doesn't need to take our pawn in d4 with it.

I don't like 26.dxe5 either. Afterwards we cannot do anything with our pawn anymore. It'll be stuck there forever until it dies.

I'm considering 26.Be3. What do you guys think ??


As I said above, I'm leaning against 26. Rc1 for a different reason + Show Spoiler +
26...Bd6
but in your line (which could easily transpose with 26. dxe5), I don't see what's wrong with + Show Spoiler +
26. Rc1 c4 27. dxe5


As for 26. Be3?, TheRidd has already addressed the problem with that.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
December 08 2011 16:59 GMT
#2536
On December 08 2011 20:24 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 15:25 mastergriggy wrote:
I honestly feel like this game is lost for white, although I was one of the people who voted e4. Between working 50 hours a week, commuting back and fourth between towns twice a week, and skyrim, I ran out of time for chess I feel very bad now.
I don't understand all the pessimism. Suppose 26. dxe5. Where do you see the loss for White here? Give me a line.


+ Show Spoiler +
Here is the line I see, 26. exd5 (I'm assuming this is what you meant) cxd4 27. Ne4 Bd3 28. Ng3 Bd6 is what I got so far. Black recovers both of his pawns and has a much better passed pawn than white. At worse I give an advantage to black. I'm looking over other variations to the line right now, and I will post them later.
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qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
December 08 2011 20:38 GMT
#2537
On December 09 2011 01:59 mastergriggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:24 qrs wrote:
On December 08 2011 15:25 mastergriggy wrote:
I honestly feel like this game is lost for white, although I was one of the people who voted e4. Between working 50 hours a week, commuting back and fourth between towns twice a week, and skyrim, I ran out of time for chess I feel very bad now.
I don't understand all the pessimism. Suppose 26. dxe5. Where do you see the loss for White here? Give me a line.


+ Show Spoiler +
Here is the line I see, 26. exd5 (I'm assuming this is what you meant) cxd4 27. Ne4 Bd3 28. Ng3 Bd6 is what I got so far. Black recovers both of his pawns and has a much better passed pawn than white. At worse I give an advantage to black. I'm looking over other variations to the line right now, and I will post them later.
Thanks for the correction--yes, exd5 is what I meant.
+ Show Spoiler +
I'm not sure what the goal behind Ne4 is--as your line shows, the Knight can be chased away without accomplishing very much. My mainline here is 27. Rc1, preventing 28...Bc5 (more robustly than 27. Ne4 does), threatening various pins and forks like Rc7+ or Rc6, and generally getting our Rook out of his defensive niche into an active position.

If 27....Bd6, I think we're fine playing 28. BxB.
If 27. Bxa3, we can play 28. Rc7+, which is interesting.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Mash2
Profile Joined February 2011
United States132 Posts
December 08 2011 20:50 GMT
#2538
exd5
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 20:57:45
December 08 2011 20:51 GMT
#2539
On December 09 2011 05:50 Mash2 wrote:
exd5


Why?

On December 09 2011 01:59 mastergriggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 20:24 qrs wrote:
On December 08 2011 15:25 mastergriggy wrote:
I honestly feel like this game is lost for white, although I was one of the people who voted e4. Between working 50 hours a week, commuting back and fourth between towns twice a week, and skyrim, I ran out of time for chess I feel very bad now.
I don't understand all the pessimism. Suppose 26. dxe5. Where do you see the loss for White here? Give me a line.


+ Show Spoiler +
Here is the line I see, 26. exd5 (I'm assuming this is what you meant) cxd4 27. Ne4 Bd3 28. Ng3 Bd6 is what I got so far. Black recovers both of his pawns and has a much better passed pawn than white. At worse I give an advantage to black. I'm looking over other variations to the line right now, and I will post them later.



I don't see how we can avoid the line mastergriggy has written here, therefore I am hesitant to play 26. exd5.

I'm not sure what move to vote atm, but at the very least I know that I will also vote to
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hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
December 08 2011 21:03 GMT
#2540
Switching to
Rc1
after further review.
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