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On October 10 2011 04:54 IzieBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:43 nazR wrote:On October 10 2011 04:40 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:36 yowza wrote:On October 10 2011 04:27 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:24 EsMuyVien wrote:
I'm so angry. Another spine and a queen blocking the ramp = Idra in semis.
Fucking STC... Can't blame him for not playing a longer game, though. Idra would have beaten him easy. Hope Idra recovers well so he can play full condition in MLG! IdrA should have known StC was gonna cheese him. Cheese is what desperate players do, and StC was about to be eliminated by IdrA. So it's not a surprise to see StC go for the most underhanded moves. Cheese? Desperate? Underhanded? Wow.. can you be any more biased? It was a calculated timingattack, based on FE + reactored hellions. It was no cheese, he had stim, factory and starport up and was already switching to marines + medivacs to counter possible mutas. He didn't cut his economy in any way, he was still producing scv's and he had his expo up. Also why is everyone disregarding the fact that idra was denied scouting by hellions and instead of playing it safe by adding a blocking evo + another spine he blindly spammed drones and tried to go for fast mutas? Srsly, the last few posts have been embarrassing. He cut a little bit of his economy. But imagine, everytime the terran players builds 4 hellions you have to blindly produce mass zerglings because "maybe he could attack", the zerg would always be behind economically. Idra was a bit greedy but you're often forced to be as zerg, a lot of guess game due to the lack of scouting tools It's cheese when the attack fails if scouted. If IdrA prepared for it, he would have demolished StC's army then base. Yea, if IdrA saw more hellions coming, he could have made roaches to eliminate them then use drone/ling surround to kill the marauders. Or he would have done something even more epic since he's IdrA. Anyways, I think I'm going to do StC's marauder/hellion on the ladder, rinse and repeat. :D Hellions to deny scouting and to guard my stimmed marauders will be so epic. Toss in a medivac and an scv for repair and just ownage. Marauder/hellion into expand into medivac and cloaked banshees will be so epic.
I'd BM you soooo bad if you did that to me XD
Idra really only needs to think a little about his ZvT early game, like better building position etc.
Then he's free to work on his ZvP ^^ If this really is how he plays jetlagged, I can see him go 8-1 in Orlando :D (the 1 loss being the traditional loss to a cute Boxer strategy( Or TLO)
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On October 10 2011 04:59 RJGooner wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:54 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:43 nazR wrote:On October 10 2011 04:40 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:36 yowza wrote:On October 10 2011 04:27 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:24 EsMuyVien wrote:
I'm so angry. Another spine and a queen blocking the ramp = Idra in semis.
Fucking STC... Can't blame him for not playing a longer game, though. Idra would have beaten him easy. Hope Idra recovers well so he can play full condition in MLG! IdrA should have known StC was gonna cheese him. Cheese is what desperate players do, and StC was about to be eliminated by IdrA. So it's not a surprise to see StC go for the most underhanded moves. Cheese? Desperate? Underhanded? Wow.. can you be any more biased? It was a calculated timingattack, based on FE + reactored hellions. It was no cheese, he had stim, factory and starport up and was already switching to marines + medivacs to counter possible mutas. He didn't cut his economy in any way, he was still producing scv's and he had his expo up. Also why is everyone disregarding the fact that idra was denied scouting by hellions and instead of playing it safe by adding a blocking evo + another spine he blindly spammed drones and tried to go for fast mutas? Srsly, the last few posts have been embarrassing. He cut a little bit of his economy. But imagine, everytime the terran players builds 4 hellions you have to blindly produce mass zerglings because "maybe he could attack", the zerg would always be behind economically. Idra was a bit greedy but you're often forced to be as zerg, a lot of guess game due to the lack of scouting tools It's cheese when the attack fails if scouted. If IdrA prepared for it, he would have demolished StC's army then base. Yea, if IdrA saw more hellions coming, he could have made roaches to eliminate them then use drone/ling surround to kill the marauders. Or he would have done something even more epic since he's IdrA. Anyways, I think I'm going to do StC's roach/hellion on the ladder, rinse and repeat. :D Hellions to guard my stimmed marauders seems so epic. Toss in a medivac and an scv for repair and just ownage. Lol oh god no I hate it when someone sees the pros do an abusive build and then someone does it to me on ladder
Lol, I've got to ask about the BO on it.
Is it:
12 rax
13 gas
Reactor when enoough gas
Factory @ 100 gas
Lift-off rax
Build tech lab at lifted rax
???
Win.
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On October 10 2011 05:11 KvltMan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:59 RJGooner wrote:On October 10 2011 04:54 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:43 nazR wrote:On October 10 2011 04:40 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:36 yowza wrote:On October 10 2011 04:27 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:24 EsMuyVien wrote:
I'm so angry. Another spine and a queen blocking the ramp = Idra in semis.
Fucking STC... Can't blame him for not playing a longer game, though. Idra would have beaten him easy. Hope Idra recovers well so he can play full condition in MLG! IdrA should have known StC was gonna cheese him. Cheese is what desperate players do, and StC was about to be eliminated by IdrA. So it's not a surprise to see StC go for the most underhanded moves. Cheese? Desperate? Underhanded? Wow.. can you be any more biased? It was a calculated timingattack, based on FE + reactored hellions. It was no cheese, he had stim, factory and starport up and was already switching to marines + medivacs to counter possible mutas. He didn't cut his economy in any way, he was still producing scv's and he had his expo up. Also why is everyone disregarding the fact that idra was denied scouting by hellions and instead of playing it safe by adding a blocking evo + another spine he blindly spammed drones and tried to go for fast mutas? Srsly, the last few posts have been embarrassing. He cut a little bit of his economy. But imagine, everytime the terran players builds 4 hellions you have to blindly produce mass zerglings because "maybe he could attack", the zerg would always be behind economically. Idra was a bit greedy but you're often forced to be as zerg, a lot of guess game due to the lack of scouting tools It's cheese when the attack fails if scouted. If IdrA prepared for it, he would have demolished StC's army then base. Yea, if IdrA saw more hellions coming, he could have made roaches to eliminate them then use drone/ling surround to kill the marauders. Or he would have done something even more epic since he's IdrA. Anyways, I think I'm going to do StC's roach/hellion on the ladder, rinse and repeat. :D Hellions to guard my stimmed marauders seems so epic. Toss in a medivac and an scv for repair and just ownage. Lol oh god no I hate it when someone sees the pros do an abusive build and then someone does it to me on ladder Lol, I've got to ask about the BO on it. Is it: 12 rax 13 gas Reactor when enoough gas Factory @ 100 gas Lift-off rax Build tech lab at lifted rax ??? Win.
Build is VERY hard to scout. ( hellions deny all scouting )
if the zerg looks like he will have enough to defend it, then you can just pull back and restart scv production. switch tech lab with reactor, start marine and tank production and have fine infrastructure for the mid game.
t.t, sadist does this build to me all the time.
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so how much money did idra get at ipl?
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On October 10 2011 05:17 integrity wrote:
so how much money did idra get at ipl?
i think 3000
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On October 10 2011 05:17 integrity wrote:
so how much money did idra get at ipl?
4k USD, I think?
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On October 10 2011 05:17 integrity wrote:
so how much money did idra get at ipl?
$3,000
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On October 10 2011 05:17 integrity wrote:
so how much money did idra get at ipl?
3000$
Edit: OH, so many ninjas @_@
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On October 10 2011 04:21 VashTS wrote:
I only caught the last few minutes on Shattered Temple... But wouldn't an Evo Chamber at the bottom of his ramp have stopped the Hellions?
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Given the circumstances, I'm really happy with the way IdrA played in IPL3.
I'm also not so much frustrated with the Marauder/Hellion push as I am with the bunker push on Tal'Darim. Just feels so classless when I see players do that play.
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On October 10 2011 05:23 LiGhtoftheSwaRm wrote:
Given the circumstances, I'm really happy with the way IdrA played in IPL3.
I'm also not so much frustrated with the Marauder/Hellion push as I am with the bunker push on Tal'Darim. Just feels so classless when I see players do that play.
Yea I agree, tough to see him lose to a somewhat abusive style (not calling it an all-in just a bit abusive) like that. But to be fair he won 3 thousand dollars and frankly I thought his play throughout the tournament (exception of pool play where he could barely stay awake) was fantastic. Very WP throughout.
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now we need him to go 8-0 at mlg in groups
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Hellion openings in general are pretty powerful vs Zerg in general. Terran can literally do anything after that opening and will deny all scouting.
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On October 10 2011 05:45 Micket wrote:
Hellion openings in general are pretty powerful vs Zerg in general. Terran can literally do anything after that opening and will deny all scouting.
Well, Lucky pretty much stomped MMA with his Roach play. The problem with IdrA is: He wants to save up an insane amount of gas for his Muta play and often plays on the edge. Maybe next time he has enough to defend and 1 min after that he gets out his 10 Mutas. But that makes his game risky and fragile. When I watch Stephano I never have that feeling that this guy is really as vulnerable as IdrA early game to early midgame.
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On October 10 2011 05:59 Punti wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 05:45 Micket wrote:
Hellion openings in general are pretty powerful vs Zerg in general. Terran can literally do anything after that opening and will deny all scouting. Well, Lucky pretty much stomped MMA with his Roach play. The problem with IdrA is: He wants to save up an insane amount of gas for his Muta play and often plays on the edge. Maybe next time he has enough to defend and 1 min after that he gets out his 10 Mutas. But that makes his game risky and fragile. When I watch Stephano I never have that feeling that this guy is really as vulnerable as IdrA early game to early midgame.
Idra's mid and late game is better than Stephano though. Imo at least
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On October 10 2011 06:12 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 05:59 Punti wrote:On October 10 2011 05:45 Micket wrote:
Hellion openings in general are pretty powerful vs Zerg in general. Terran can literally do anything after that opening and will deny all scouting. Well, Lucky pretty much stomped MMA with his Roach play. The problem with IdrA is: He wants to save up an insane amount of gas for his Muta play and often plays on the edge. Maybe next time he has enough to defend and 1 min after that he gets out his 10 Mutas. But that makes his game risky and fragile. When I watch Stephano I never have that feeling that this guy is really as vulnerable as IdrA early game to early midgame. Idra's mid and late game is better than Stephano though. Imo at least
Don't know about mid but i think too that his late game is better. The thing is that Stephano is way safer early/mid game
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Let's not talk about Stephano. I seriously suspect him of cheating. There's something wrong in most of Stephano's games, especially game 2 vs KiwiKaki. I suspect the total expenditure for Stephano is more than his total income. Or that Stephano's army is hacked to be more cost effective.
More details on game 2: Kiwikaki had mined out 6 bases. Stephano still had one more base to mine out. So total income for Kiwikaki > total income for Stephano. However total banked resources for Stephano > total banked resources for Kiwikaki. Equal army sizes. Zerg is now more cost-effective than protoss? Something is very wrong. Even if you're not analyzing the replay for cheating, you should still watch it for the unique mothership recall play.
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I'm sorry I was gone the whole weekend and tournament, but I read Idra quit due to fatigue? can anyone go further for me? I know it had to happen since coming from the victory in China. Thanks fellow gracklings in advance
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On October 10 2011 06:40 IzieBoy wrote:
Let's not talk about Stephano. I seriously suspect him of cheating.
Lol?
Edit : If you ninja edit, then I can to  And nice one.
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On October 10 2011 06:40 Mvrio wrote:
I'm sorry I was gone the whole weekend and tournament, but I read Idra quit due to fatigue? can anyone go further for me? I know it had to happen since coming from the victory in China. Thanks fellow gracklings in advance
No, he forfeited in pool play, that only determined seeding.
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