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On October 10 2011 04:26 Eknoid4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:21 hmunkey wrote:On October 10 2011 04:16 Eknoid4 wrote:
It's really unfair that Idra has to scout against Terran before the 10 minute mark in order to win. It's pretty hard to scout cross positions terran around the time the marauders start coming out since you need an overlord in there. Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:20 Xadar wrote:On October 10 2011 04:16 Eknoid4 wrote:
It's really unfair that Idra has to scout against Terran before the 10 minute mark in order to win. Your probably no zerg player, but i as a high masters player can confirm that it is VERY hard to scout marauder hellion allin, if he denies lings with the hellions and puts like 1 marine at his base perimeter to deny overlord scouting. if you feel its coming you can maybe put down 1 or 2 additional spines or rush real fast for muta, but if they go a more eco opener behind the hellions, both are bad. I know that's what sucks zerg doesn't have a mobile air unit to scout terran's base before mutalisks. And what really is unfair is that there's no way that idra's overlord JUST north of STC's natural could scout the mineral line in time unless Idra remembered to scout fast enough. Blizzard obviously needs to make overlords faster since 1 marine at one corner of the base can kill every overlord at every possible entrance to the base.
Could we keep like this in the "Desginated Balance Discuisson"-thread? I don't want to think that you're a troll, but chipping in with counter-arguments in an already stupid "IdrA loss cuz imbalance l0l" discussion doesn't add anything but a shitstorm that'll be forgotten by tomorrow.
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Frustrating way to exit a tournament, especially when he was playing so well, which I'm sure everyone could see looking at the player cam. ^_^
Proud of the way IdrA has turned his mental state around so quickly. Looking forward to his upcoming tournaments.
And, yeah, I stay away from chats and LR thread nowadays. So many haters/trolls, it saps any enjoyment out of watching great games.
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Come on guys!
Let's cheer for Stephano as the final foreigner!
Idra is still great, less QQ more pewpew!
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lol, I feel so bad @_@ I want every other foreigner to lose, so Idra looks good XD Especially when he gets knocked out in this manner
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On October 10 2011 04:27 IzieBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:24 EsMuyVien wrote:
I'm so angry. Another spine and a queen blocking the ramp = Idra in semis.
Fucking STC... Can't blame him for not playing a longer game, though. Idra would have beaten him easy. Hope Idra recovers well so he can play full condition in MLG! IdrA should have known StC was gonna cheese him. Cheese is what desperate players do, and StC was about to be eliminated by IdrA. So it's not a surprise to see StC go for the most underhanded moves.
Cheese? Desperate? Underhanded?
Wow.. can you be any more biased? It was a calculated timingattack, based on FE + reactored hellions. It was no cheese, he had stim, factory and starport up and was already switching to marines + medivacs to counter possible mutas.
He didn't cut his economy in any way, he was still producing scv's and he had his expo up.
Also why is everyone disregarding the fact that idra was denied scouting by hellions and instead of playing it safe by adding a blocking evo + another spine he blindly spammed drones and tried to go for fast mutas?
Srsly, the last few posts have been embarrassing.
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I noticed his last game versus StC, IdrA didn't seem to be breathing as much and getting the oxygen he needs. StC was moving his mouse rapidly, and using chest as well as stomach to breath. I think if he was a bit more active with scouting, he may have had a chance to throw the baneling nest/roach warren down faster.
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Sucks, I liked theStC since he was the terran beta hero, now hoping he gets crushed by Stephano. Idra was definitely greedy, but the way Zergs die like that (relative ease) is such bullshit. I don't understand why Shattered is in the map pool, it encourages that crap...
Hoping for MMA to take this one down, he should do it with ease (with his unbeatable macro TvZ)
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On October 10 2011 04:36 yowza wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:27 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:24 EsMuyVien wrote:
I'm so angry. Another spine and a queen blocking the ramp = Idra in semis.
Fucking STC... Can't blame him for not playing a longer game, though. Idra would have beaten him easy. Hope Idra recovers well so he can play full condition in MLG! IdrA should have known StC was gonna cheese him. Cheese is what desperate players do, and StC was about to be eliminated by IdrA. So it's not a surprise to see StC go for the most underhanded moves. Cheese? Desperate? Underhanded? Wow.. can you be any more biased? It was a calculated timingattack, based on FE + reactored hellions. It was no cheese, he had stim, factory and starport up and was already switching to marines + medivacs to counter possible mutas. He didn't cut his economy in any way, he was still producing scv's and he had his expo up. Also why is everyone disregarding the fact that idra was denied scouting by hellions and instead of playing it safe by adding a blocking evo + another spine he blindly spammed drones and tried to go for fast mutas? Srsly, the last few posts have been embarrassing.
We know. Did you take the time to look at the last few pages? This was already pretty much stated
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What kind of headphones were they using in this tournament?
Maybe a bit off-topic. But if anyone knows, I would appreciate the answer!
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Damn wanted to watch a zvz with idra and stephano. Too bad.
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On October 10 2011 04:24 EsMuyVien wrote:
I'm so angry. Another spine and a queen blocking the ramp = Idra in semis.
Fucking STC... Can't blame him for not playing a longer game, though. Idra would have beaten him easy. Hope Idra recovers well so he can play full condition in MLG!
Well, he pulled all his queens and his mineral line. Even if he had defended it Terran would still be in a pretty good spot. IdrA is really good when he has 3 saturated bases up and running, but before that his play seems fragile to good timings and unit compositions. I just don't like the way IdrA is losing games in the early stages.
A few roaches would have helped im nontheless, they could have blocked off the ramp and damaged the helions a lot. Sure, the Marauders do insane dmg vs. them, but roach vs helions/marauders is still better than zerglings i think.
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On October 10 2011 04:37 IzieBoy wrote:
I noticed his last game versus StC, IdrA didn't seem to be breathing as much and getting the oxygen he needs. StC was moving his mouse rapidly, and using chest as well as stomach to breath. I think if he was a bit more active with scouting, he may have had a chance to throw the baneling nest/roach warren down faster.
hellions denied everything on ground. Trying to OV scout is lolzy against terran
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On October 10 2011 04:36 yowza wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:27 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:24 EsMuyVien wrote:
I'm so angry. Another spine and a queen blocking the ramp = Idra in semis.
Fucking STC... Can't blame him for not playing a longer game, though. Idra would have beaten him easy. Hope Idra recovers well so he can play full condition in MLG! IdrA should have known StC was gonna cheese him. Cheese is what desperate players do, and StC was about to be eliminated by IdrA. So it's not a surprise to see StC go for the most underhanded moves. Cheese? Desperate? Underhanded? Wow.. can you be any more biased? It was a calculated timingattack, based on FE + reactored hellions. It was no cheese, he had stim, factory and starport up and was already switching to marines + medivacs to counter possible mutas. He didn't cut his economy in any way, he was still producing scv's and he had his expo up. Also why is everyone disregarding the fact that idra was denied scouting by hellions and instead of playing it safe by adding a blocking evo + another spine he blindly spammed drones and tried to go for fast mutas? Srsly, the last few posts have been embarrassing.
It's cheese when the attack fails if scouted. If IdrA prepared for it, he would have demolished StC's army then base.
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On October 10 2011 04:38 Punti wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:24 EsMuyVien wrote:
I'm so angry. Another spine and a queen blocking the ramp = Idra in semis.
Fucking STC... Can't blame him for not playing a longer game, though. Idra would have beaten him easy. Hope Idra recovers well so he can play full condition in MLG! Well, he pulled all his queens and his mineral line. Even if he had defended it Terran would still be in a pretty good spot. IdrA is really good when he has 3 saturated bases up and running, but before that his play seems fragile to good timings and unit compositions. I just don't like the way IdrA is losing games in the early stages. A few roaches would have helped im nontheless, they could have blocked off the ramp and damaged the helions a lot. Sure, the Marauders do insane dmg vs. them, but roach vs helions/marauders is still better than zerglings i think.
just an fyi thats most zerg players lol. Thats just zerg in general if you are caught droning and they do an attack that you didn't see coming 95% of the time its an instant loss or you are very far behind to where the only way you come back is if they really fuck up. Its not just idra its zerg in general.
But I agree I wish he would add roaches not much and don't get upgrades but just having a roach warren incase you see a lot of hellions or marauder/hellion you can make a ton of roaches + lings and you can hold it off rather then rely on reinforced speedlings when there are 8 hellions xD.
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On October 10 2011 04:26 Eknoid4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:21 hmunkey wrote:On October 10 2011 04:16 Eknoid4 wrote:
It's really unfair that Idra has to scout against Terran before the 10 minute mark in order to win. It's pretty hard to scout cross positions terran around the time the marauders start coming out since you need an overlord in there. Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:20 Xadar wrote:On October 10 2011 04:16 Eknoid4 wrote:
It's really unfair that Idra has to scout against Terran before the 10 minute mark in order to win. Your probably no zerg player, but i as a high masters player can confirm that it is VERY hard to scout marauder hellion allin, if he denies lings with the hellions and puts like 1 marine at his base perimeter to deny overlord scouting. if you feel its coming you can maybe put down 1 or 2 additional spines or rush real fast for muta, but if they go a more eco opener behind the hellions, both are bad. I know that's what sucks zerg doesn't have a mobile air unit to scout terran's base before mutalisks. And what really is unfair is that there's no way that idra's overlord JUST north of STC's natural could scout the mineral line in time unless Idra remembered to scout fast enough. Blizzard obviously needs to make overlords faster since 1 marine at one corner of the base can kill every overlord at every possible entrance to the base.
Get the fuck out of here.
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On October 10 2011 04:40 IzieBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:36 yowza wrote:On October 10 2011 04:27 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:24 EsMuyVien wrote:
I'm so angry. Another spine and a queen blocking the ramp = Idra in semis.
Fucking STC... Can't blame him for not playing a longer game, though. Idra would have beaten him easy. Hope Idra recovers well so he can play full condition in MLG! IdrA should have known StC was gonna cheese him. Cheese is what desperate players do, and StC was about to be eliminated by IdrA. So it's not a surprise to see StC go for the most underhanded moves. Cheese? Desperate? Underhanded? Wow.. can you be any more biased? It was a calculated timingattack, based on FE + reactored hellions. It was no cheese, he had stim, factory and starport up and was already switching to marines + medivacs to counter possible mutas. He didn't cut his economy in any way, he was still producing scv's and he had his expo up. Also why is everyone disregarding the fact that idra was denied scouting by hellions and instead of playing it safe by adding a blocking evo + another spine he blindly spammed drones and tried to go for fast mutas? Srsly, the last few posts have been embarrassing.
He cut a little bit of his economy.
But imagine, everytime the terran players builds 4 hellions you have to blindly produce mass zerglings because "maybe he could attack", the zerg would always be behind economically. Idra was a bit greedy but you're often forced to be as zerg, a lot of guess game due to the lack of scouting tools
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I think Greg should have kept playing just for some epic BM. He was so close.
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On October 10 2011 04:44 IzieBoy wrote:
I think Greg should have kept playing just for some epic BM. He was so close.
So close to death, yeah
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On October 10 2011 04:43 nazR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:40 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:36 yowza wrote:On October 10 2011 04:27 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:24 EsMuyVien wrote:
I'm so angry. Another spine and a queen blocking the ramp = Idra in semis.
Fucking STC... Can't blame him for not playing a longer game, though. Idra would have beaten him easy. Hope Idra recovers well so he can play full condition in MLG! IdrA should have known StC was gonna cheese him. Cheese is what desperate players do, and StC was about to be eliminated by IdrA. So it's not a surprise to see StC go for the most underhanded moves. Cheese? Desperate? Underhanded? Wow.. can you be any more biased? It was a calculated timingattack, based on FE + reactored hellions. It was no cheese, he had stim, factory and starport up and was already switching to marines + medivacs to counter possible mutas. He didn't cut his economy in any way, he was still producing scv's and he had his expo up. Also why is everyone disregarding the fact that idra was denied scouting by hellions and instead of playing it safe by adding a blocking evo + another spine he blindly spammed drones and tried to go for fast mutas? Srsly, the last few posts have been embarrassing. He cut a little bit of his economy. But imagine, everytime the terran players builds 4 hellions you have to blindly produce mass zerglings because "maybe he could attack", the zerg would always be behind economically. Idra was a bit greedy but you're often forced to be as zerg, a lot of guess game due to the lack of scouting tools It's cheese when the attack fails if scouted. If IdrA prepared for it, he would have demolished StC's army then base.
Yea, if IdrA saw more hellions coming, he could have made roaches to eliminate them then use drone/ling surround to kill the marauders. Or he would have done something even more epic since he's IdrA.
Anyways, I think I'm going to do StC's marauder/hellion on the ladder, rinse and repeat. :D Hellions to deny scouting and to guard my stimmed marauders will be so epic. Toss in a medivac and an scv for repair and just ownage. Hellion/expand/marauder into medivac and cloaked banshees will be so epic.
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On October 10 2011 04:54 IzieBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 04:43 nazR wrote:On October 10 2011 04:40 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:36 yowza wrote:On October 10 2011 04:27 IzieBoy wrote:On October 10 2011 04:24 EsMuyVien wrote:
I'm so angry. Another spine and a queen blocking the ramp = Idra in semis.
Fucking STC... Can't blame him for not playing a longer game, though. Idra would have beaten him easy. Hope Idra recovers well so he can play full condition in MLG! IdrA should have known StC was gonna cheese him. Cheese is what desperate players do, and StC was about to be eliminated by IdrA. So it's not a surprise to see StC go for the most underhanded moves. Cheese? Desperate? Underhanded? Wow.. can you be any more biased? It was a calculated timingattack, based on FE + reactored hellions. It was no cheese, he had stim, factory and starport up and was already switching to marines + medivacs to counter possible mutas. He didn't cut his economy in any way, he was still producing scv's and he had his expo up. Also why is everyone disregarding the fact that idra was denied scouting by hellions and instead of playing it safe by adding a blocking evo + another spine he blindly spammed drones and tried to go for fast mutas? Srsly, the last few posts have been embarrassing. He cut a little bit of his economy. But imagine, everytime the terran players builds 4 hellions you have to blindly produce mass zerglings because "maybe he could attack", the zerg would always be behind economically. Idra was a bit greedy but you're often forced to be as zerg, a lot of guess game due to the lack of scouting tools It's cheese when the attack fails if scouted. If IdrA prepared for it, he would have demolished StC's army then base. Yea, if IdrA saw more hellions coming, he could have made roaches to eliminate them then use drone/ling surround to kill the marauders. Or he would have done something even more epic since he's IdrA. Anyways, I think I'm going to do StC's roach/hellion on the ladder, rinse and repeat. :D Hellions to guard my stimmed marauders seems so epic. Toss in a medivac and an scv for repair and just ownage.
Lol oh god no I hate it when someone sees the pros do an abusive build and then someone does it to me on ladder
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