EPTI don't understand how players of Kita's calibre can push a mafia agenda all game and then get away by just claiming. If he is scum it's a win-win situation for him to claim. Either he escapes the noose, or he finds the medic. So the smart thing to do is just ignore the claim. Without it he is clearly mafia, so why does his claim change things?
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
I don't understand how players of Kita's calibre can push a mafia agenda all game and then get away by just claiming. If he is scum it's a win-win situation for him to claim. Either he escapes the noose, or he finds the medic. So the smart thing to do is just ignore the claim. Without it he is clearly mafia, so why does his claim change things? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
I am not a vet, kita's claim is good in my eyes. All the people who still want to kill him after this are rather silly. Occam's razor has had kita as town for a while now. He's acted super weird I won't deny that, but the fact that so many people can't make a good case on him should really tell us something. And now, after his claim, Occam's razor is even stronger. A lot of my case against VE was creating connections that didn't exist and I'm not going to make that mistake again. I'll just restate, kita's claim is good and we're going to move onto a new target for today. Who that target is will be selected sometime tonight. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
DON'T CLAIM! We will convince the doubters, somehow. Kita is red and he is wriggling out of this lynch like I thought he would try to do. He had no other option and so chose the best possible claim he could. His breadcrumb makes 0 sense. MZ, I take it you think my cases against him are shit then? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5261 Posts
This reminds me of MrZentor's doctor claim in SoaF. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On June 05 2012 14:52 Probulous wrote: To our real medic DON'T CLAIM! We will convince the doubters, somehow. Kita is red and he is wriggling out of this lynch like I thought he would try to do. He had no other option and so chose the best possible claim he could. His breadcrumb makes 0 sense. MZ, I take it you think my cases against him are shit then? Probulous how much have you played here? I'm not trying to be patronizing, I'm just trying to work some stuff out and it would help to know approximately how long you've been playing. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5261 Posts
The difference here is that we do have a claimed save, and kita is not a weak player. His wishywashy ness could be explained through general blue behavior. It is complicating because this is the best fake claim that a scum kita could do, yet TL seems very prone to lynching claimed blues. Like if a blue claims, they are almost always dead lol. I'll think about this more when I get home tonight. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5261 Posts
On June 05 2012 15:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Probulous how much have you played here? I'm not trying to be patronizing, I'm just trying to work some stuff out and it would help to know approximately how long you've been playing. He has the same experience level as I do. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On June 05 2012 15:00 EchelonTee wrote: Why should the real medic not claim? This reminds me of MrZentor's doctor claim in SoaF. Because all that does is out the actual medic. I don't believe Kita's claim for one second. It is way too convenient and doesn't match with his play. He has been scummy scummy scum all game and now that his head is on the chopping block he can wriggle out by claiming the most convenient role yet. At worst he gets to out our medic, at best he gets off and gets major town credit. It's win, super win if he is scum. If he is town he would have shown something before now. Almost the entire thread has voted for him at some point this game, but suddenly now he is town? I repeat medic, don't claim. If we still have over 24hrs until lynch so if it looks like he won't be lynched closer to time, we can chat about it then. I'm fine with looking at other scummy people, we need to anyway, but don't claim until you absolutely have to. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On June 05 2012 15:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Probulous how much have you played here? I'm not trying to be patronizing, I'm just trying to work some stuff out and it would help to know approximately how long you've been playing. I've played enough to know a bad claim when I see one. Kita is red. VE knew it, WBG knew it, I know it. He is mafia and he needs to swing. I have written more words about him than the rest of my posts puts together and I still can't convince you guys. I don't know what I am doing wrong but it should be plain to see. Everyone, almost everyobody had him as their number one scum target at some point this game, but a badly crumbed convenient medic claim is suddenly credible? Put yourself in Kita's shoes, why would you not make this claim if you were scum? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On June 05 2012 15:05 Probulous wrote: Because all that does is out the actual medic. I don't believe Kita's claim for one second. It is way too convenient and doesn't match with his play. He has been scummy scummy scum all game and now that his head is on the chopping block he can wriggle out by claiming the most convenient role yet. It is impossible for myself to wrigggle out of the lynch as scum with my medic claim. The real medic would being able to counter-claim and get me lynched. On June 05 2012 15:05 Probulous wrote: At worst he gets to out our medic, at best he gets off and gets major town credit. It's win, super win if he is scum. If he is town he would have shown something before now. Almost the entire thread has voted for him at some point this game, but suddenly now he is town? You're "at best" scenario doesn't make any sense. They only way I'm getting off with major town cred is if I'm not counter-claimed, which means I'm town. On June 05 2012 15:11 Probulous wrote: Everyone, almost everyobody had him as their number one scum target at some point this game, but a badly crumbed convenient medic claim is suddenly credible? That is a false statement. You are the only player who has actually completed a case against me. The rest have not provided any reasoning. Meapak was unable to come up with a case, VE was unable to come up with a case until it was necessary for his own survival. Bugs took a guess without ever providing reasoning. We have VE crumbing his ability with an upside down question mark, yet my post with my role name, an image of my role, and the word breadcrumb bolded is considered badly crumbed? We don't even need to rely on the crumb, its a confirmable claim. On June 05 2012 15:05 Probulous wrote: I'm fine with looking at other scummy people, we need to anyway, but don't claim until you absolutely have to. Do share. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On June 05 2012 15:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: someone please enlighten me how a 1/1 trade is good for scum right now? If we have scum lined up for a lynch, then a 1:1 is better than a 0:1 from their point of view, right? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On June 05 2012 15:27 Probulous wrote: If we have scum lined up for a lynch, then a 1:1 is better than a 0:1 from their point of view, right? Even better for scum is a 3:0, which is what would happen with my lynch. You still haven't thanked me Meapak. Show some gratitude.  | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
I would like to vote Manason. All game, his remain neutral with only two targets. Zealos and Kita. Zealos had a target marked on him since day 1. While no one was really going after Kita except VE, Manason had him as a target. Throughout the play. his been sheeping the easiest case without providing any reads on anybody. Its in his gut feeling that Kita is scum but never really got around to post his case after promising to do so 2 times. Then with VE. Didn't believe VE was scum. Then suspicious of VE as scum because of VE's crumb and jumping all over the place. Wanted VE to push for a Kita case Vote VE because I think you may be bad town and i rather lynch you then no lynch then came back full circle and says I believe VE was town and i never wanted to lynch him. Does roleblocker gets notified if they successfully blocked an night action | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On May 30 2012 10:03 Probulous wrote: Hi everybody! I am counting on people giving me a break to read the thread, so don't expect too much from me immediately. At least I am replacing in fairly early into the game. It's about time I won a game so I will be putting in the effort here. The roster looks good and from my initial read some of the vets are looking pretty townie so we have no reason not to win. Note: To help get an idea on people's thoughts, please ask me some specific questions. It is always hard when catching up to get a feel for people because the timing of posts is hard to work out. So fire away and I will do my best. This is why I have tunnelled him so hard and now people are getting cold feet. I will not let him get away from this lynch, hence my claim. I purposefully did not breadcrumb my Kita check because he was clearly a target for a possible framer. Instead I tried to push the thread to look elsewhere that night (supersoft and others). In addition I had mentioned earlier in the day that the best way to crumb is just before deadline so people can find it. I thought it stupid to do that for my Kita check in case it outed me. Last night in my last post I labelled three people (along with Hassy as number 1) as mafia target. This was my crumb in the hope that a framer would not know which one to pick. The reason I didn't want the doc to claim is two fold. Firstly it should have been clear that Kita is scum and so we don't need to expose the Doc. This no longer appears to be true. Secondly, by outing myself, we can play a little follow the cop with mafia having to try and find the medic. I know this puts other lead townies at risk but in return we get a clear read in the morning. There is no more roleblocker to worry about. If I soak up two bullets, so be it. Now about sanity, it seems that in a gesture of goodwill, Greymist told me that I checked Toad night 1 and got Earth. With the red check, I know I am a regular DT. We lynch the Kitaman27. Finally I am sorry guys but it is 4:50pm and I am about to leave work. I wanted to do this before I left so you can think about it whilst I sleep. I will be on tomorow morning (my time). Think about this carefully and do the right thing. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5261 Posts
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
lmao. start using excel to play hyaach.... | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
 Claiming detective is full of problems. You don't even bother to consider a framer for a second? Out of all the players in this game, who is most likely to be framed night two after pushing a VE lynch? Meapak, bugs, and toad had already been confirmed town. Wigggles was already likely red. Of course I'm the most likely framer target. Furthermore, its possible that you are a lyncher targeting Professor Membrane. It doesnt matter if your claim is made up on the spot if it gets me lynched. How do I know Meapak isn''t a vet if I didn't protect him. As scum, I'm not giving up information that has a 50% chance to invalidate my claim right off the bat. If there exists a medic who protected Meapak night one, claim now. I guarantee you don't exist. If there exists a Professor Membrane in this game, claim now. I guarantee you don't exist. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5261 Posts
N2 framer is possible, but less likely than N3 frame.I believe probes claim, and.it's quite likely kita is fake claiming, but there is the small possibility that we are about to be totally fucked. however, likelihood is that we've got something good. We lynch kita. | ||
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