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JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 25 2012 12:49 GMT
#221
I think he is basically doing what you did but with slightly more substance. or he could be trying to start a counter wagon (if he was mafia)
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 25 2012 12:51 GMT
#222
On November 25 2012 21:41 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Mainly the "or if you still do" you allowed him to backtrack something a nervous town might take advantage of if they feel it might put them in a bad situation. (one thing is for sure oats isn't nervous lol) However I am mainly interested in it as it doesn't appear to be (although I don't know your meta (haven't looked at it yes) something a town wouldn't say (giving all the options[admittedly I tend to do this for everything though]) so just curious on that particular wording. It came up in conjunction with your rant. Honestly I think oats is doing good by promoting conversation but he might have hit a sore spot.

tl;dr any particular reason for creating a backout opportunity for him?


Holy mother of God, what are you trying to say? Is Kick scummy for giving Oat an easy out?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 25 2012 12:53 GMT
#223
Hey just asking the question! Looking back I may have read into that.... a little too much but we don't have much to work with.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 25 2012 12:55 GMT
#224
Btw Oat painted a huge target on his back by playing like he did, the exact opposite of what I'd expect scum to do. Sure he used WIFOM to defend himself, but he just spelled out my thoughts on the situation (and as it seems to me Jacob is thinking along the same lines).
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 12:56 GMT
#225
No I disagree, I think that his case is basically you are bad at mafia, Imma vote you. Which is weird cause he condemns me for not explaining my vote.
No gg, No skill.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 25 2012 12:59 GMT
#226
On November 25 2012 21:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hey just asking the question! Looking back I may have read into that.... a little too much but we don't have much to work with.


It wasn't so much your argument that confused me, but the sentence containing a double negation and a parentheses within a parentheses within a parentheses.

Did I get it correctly that you thought giving Oat an easy out was scummy by Kick?
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 25 2012 13:00 GMT
#227
I ask questions to see what he will do, if he would have backed out of it I would be very suspicious but what I really want is a real fucking case, not just "Oh I feel this person is scum so I'm going to vote them". Asking him to make a real case or take his fucking vote back is hardly questionable? And comparing my vote and oats is not being honest in the slightest. There is a real reason to be suspicious of Oats so far, his posting. I also gave a reason for my vote on him and showed how right now his vote is complete crap whereas he provides no reason for his vote at all. They are hardly alike.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 25 2012 13:02 GMT
#228
This is stupid btw, we should be scumhunting. If you are going to vote someone, you need to show why you think they are scum. I showed why your posting so far and your vote is crap, and you have still refused to make a case or provide adequate reasoning for your vote. We need to be finding scum - so do it and stop wasting time.

With that I will ask again: Can you give us a reason why you think Cheese is scummy and why you voted for him?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 25 2012 13:06 GMT
#229
On November 25 2012 21:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 21:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hey just asking the question! Looking back I may have read into that.... a little too much but we don't have much to work with.


It wasn't so much your argument that confused me, but the sentence containing a double negation and a parentheses within a parentheses within a parentheses.

Did I get it correctly that you thought giving Oat an easy out was scummy by Kick?


Yes. I have to kick that habit.


I am just confused why you are so angry and aggressive. *mental note to check history* It just looked like a strange thing to ask with the tail end out. Also we have to compare the two votes as they are the only two votes there are. We may find as you say they are completely different however but not as different as you think.


But yeah I was thinking along the lines of oats put a target of his back. However some people *cough* kush *cough* use that play even as mafia to variable success.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 13:08 GMT
#230
I think that his first 2 posts feel forced. Which I said earlier..
That is all at the moment.
I will wait for him to come back.
Remember that you can unvote people :D
Yes you should be why my posting sucks but no explanation as to why I am scum.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 13:10 GMT
#231
EBWOP: You explained that my posting sucks but you DIDNT explain why my posting means I am scum
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 13:11 GMT
#232
@Jacob
Kush is just a total troll. If my posting is like his, I am sad
No gg, No skill.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 25 2012 13:13 GMT
#233
Haha no just the tactic that was used.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 25 2012 13:13 GMT
#234
On November 25 2012 22:06 JacobStrangelove wrote:
But yeah I was thinking along the lines of oats put a target of his back. However some people *cough* kush *cough* use that play even as mafia to variable success.


Fair point. I think that's rather uncommon though.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 25 2012 13:15 GMT
#235
Exactly which is why for the moment I don't think he is scum for it.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 25 2012 13:40 GMT
#236
You two seem to be agreeing that you don't think Oats is scum. Can you explain his vote onto cheese then, because he apparently can't provide a decent explanation for it himself.

How is throwing a random vote onto someone without giving any sort of decent explanation town play? All Oats' vote has done is sow confusion because of how pointless it seems to be - which is scummy. Now if you have actual reasons to vote for someone, and present them to everyone, then discussion can flow from it and we can better assess everyone and get some reads going - but as I said you didn't provide that so have only managed to cause confusion.

So aside from waiting for a decent explanation from Oats, I would like for some other people to actually get involved in the thread, so far discussion has been between a few people and on not a very broad spectrum of topics, neither of which is good for town at this point.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 13:47 GMT
#237
OH YES FINALLY, you say why my behaviour is scummy. :D
My explanation is that his first 2 posts seem off. What do you want? Cheesecake posted less than 10 posts, how can you garner any evidence from that?
No gg, No skill.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 25 2012 14:14 GMT
#238
You are still making no sense. You say "how can you have garnered any evidence from that?". I haven't, but you seemed to have because you said it was scummy and put your vote on him...
Still substance-less posting, really wish you would cut it out and start hunting for scum - unless you are scum that is, then just continue posting the way you are.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 14:26 GMT
#239
LOL kickstart learning from the vets huh.
there are like 4 pages of content, I challenge you to find a case out of that.
A proper case that has scum reasons for certain posts.
ok about cheesecake
On November 25 2012 11:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Greetings gentlemen!

A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion:

1) How many games have you played on TL?
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
3) Pie or Cheesecake?

For me:

1) this is my third, one game as mafia one as VT
2) Lynching a lurker d1 is good to me if no viable scum read presents itself. Also, we have no vig to take care of pesky lurkers otherwise.
3) Pie. Jk jk.


This post looks like he is being light-hearted, especially with the Pie and Cheesecake question.
I feel that it is an act, the post looks VERY deliberate in being casual.

On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads.


Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road.

Anyone else around?


Then here, a reason for people to be lurking is because we havent called them out. He basically says, I will lynch a lurker/anybody. Which is good reason to hop onto any bandwagon that is benefical for scum. Like lynching an inactive town/active but bad town
No gg, No skill.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
November 25 2012 15:16 GMT
#240
Okay so just woke up. The Oats vote is pretty lulzy to me.

On November 25 2012 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
LOL kickstart learning from the vets huh.
there are like 4 pages of content, I challenge you to find a case out of that.
A proper case that has scum reasons for certain posts.
ok about cheesecake
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 11:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Greetings gentlemen!

A few questions to spark ye olde town discussion:

1) How many games have you played on TL?
2) Where do you stand on lurker lynching D1?
3) Pie or Cheesecake?

For me:

1) this is my third, one game as mafia one as VT
2) Lynching a lurker d1 is good to me if no viable scum read presents itself. Also, we have no vig to take care of pesky lurkers otherwise.
3) Pie. Jk jk.


1.) This post looks like he is being light-hearted, especially with the Pie and Cheesecake question.
I feel that it is an act, the post looks VERY deliberate in being casual.

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads.


Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road.

Anyone else around?


2.) Then here, a reason for people to be lurking is because we havent called them out. He basically says, I will lynch a lurker/anybody. Which is good reason to hop onto any bandwagon that is benefical for scum. Like lynching an inactive town/active but bad town


1.) This reminds me a ton of last game where Djo tried to call me our for telling a joke to Dibbers, and we all know that didn't get anywhere. It's a null tell and a terrible reason to vote someone. Of course my first post is light-hearted and casual; nobody was even talking about anything. You can't engage into a conversation by being all seriousmode, and that's not Mr. Cheesecake for you. Don't like my dessert question? Sorry.

2.) On the second post, you give a huge blanket statement that says the obvious. Admittedly, the only thing I'm saying is that I don't want people to lurk (see: NMM XXIX) and I'll lynch them if necessary. I never say that I'd lynch anybody--that's your own misconception.

Not a big fan of Oats so far because he is voting on feeling and points to the last game to explain his confusion (which explains nothing). However, I think everyone might be rolling their faces over him too much for voting me (also, how is Kickstart's vote an OMGUS vote when Oat's vote is on me?) I'm more concerned about Yamato right now. His posts amount to a bunch of one-liners that achieve nothing. Same goes for Helo, pretty blendy personalities at this point in time.

FoS Yamato77
FoS HeloKnight

Just a bit of pressure, I'd like to hear some constructive posts from them.

@Aquanium

On November 25 2012 14:57 Aquanim wrote:
Sure, he's made all of four five posts so far so don't expect anything insightful.

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 14:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 25 2012 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes totally agree with Cheesecake.
only 5/9 are here, where are the rest


On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him


I really don't understand where your trepidations are coming from. You agree with me, but get scummy feelings from me?


I'm not liking this. In the first quote Cheesecake took, Oatsmaster is agreeing with this post:

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads.


Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road.

Anyone else around?


which is pretty generically town-speech stuff from Mr. Cheesecake. I could well see Oatsmaster agreeing with the body of this message, BUT not liking the fact that Cheesecake is making speeches rather than poking people and looking for scum. (I'm taking a wild guess at what Oatsmaster's feeling was based on here.)

And apart from Cheesecake's questions in his first post and contentless sniping at Oatsmaster since that's all there is.


This post is extremely wish-washy to me. He basically takes a neutral stance and says that he can understand both sides of the argument. I'm confused as to his opinion. Do you not like the fact that he agreeing with me, and simultaneously gets a scum-feel? Or do you disagree with me?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
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