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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 15:44 GMT
#221
##FOS BrownBear and Hesmyrr

Kill Brownbear first tomorrow guys.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 14 2010 17:36 GMT
#222
Note that since Hero is dead and no PR present, there is greater incentive for all of us to talk during the nigjht so Kingmaker has better idea on which individual to nominate.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 14 2010 17:38 GMT
#223
I definitely don't think we should lynch Hesmyrr. I mean, if we lynch Brownbear and he turns red, then definitely. Right now though Hesymrr did do his reasons for why he voted Amber, and did a whole bunch of analysis. I'll do an examination of BB later, as well as LSB.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 18:44 GMT
#224
It's lylo tomorrow, and kingmaker, make me king if you want to kill Brownbear.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 14 2010 18:54 GMT
#225
On November 15 2010 03:44 LSB wrote:
It's lylo tomorrow, and kingmaker, make me king if you want to kill Brownbear.


Shouldn't we discuss it first rather than just blindly lynching Brownbear? Just because Amber is innocent doesn't make Brownbear scum :/
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 19:05 GMT
#226
All right.

On November 14 2010 15:35 Hesmyrr wrote:
##Vote: Amber[Light]
execute: Amber[Light]


Sorry for not waiting CubEdin's vote but really need to sleep. Almost 4 AM already =/
I apologize if I have made a wrong decision. LSB's arguments were definitely the most persuasive one I have seen in this thread, but there were some things I just could not get over and I somewhat trust orgolove/less so on Pandain at moment. Still extremely hard decision.

My drowsiness induces me to kill CubEdin for just sake of him going MIA but that's kinda unfair, considering I have yet to pay any attention to him at the moment... either way good night.

Wondering why Hesmyrr didn't pay attention to my Brownbear stuff.


On November 14 2010 12:00 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2010 11:05 Hesmyrr wrote:
DAY 1 STARTS
F*** this, I am NOT going to discuss individual posts. I lack too much patience for that.

      orgolove-Amber[Light] twit twat
While I agree with generic content of the post that started this, attack on Amber[LighT] feels bit stretched considering lot other people besides him unanimously agreeed Excalibur was useless before you spoke up. I still do not understand Amber[LighT]'s last sentence, and I equally do not understand what orgolove is attacking him on, but if what amber says is what I think he is saying ("we should use excalibur d1") then yeah, -1 townie points for him since that is wrong in so many levels =/

But then amber replies
Don't you think it would be wise for the assassins to take advantage of eliminating these roles so they can't be used in the late game?
so I don't think that is it either. Can either of you please explain what you guys were talking about because I have hard time understanding it. I am sorry but English is not my first language, so I am declaring this null read for now due to lack of information.

Third paragraph is still worthy of mentioning though. He understands the possibility of King making irrational and possibly disputable choices and yet he would go for king autonomy? THEN he refuses to vote for the sake of "[creating] a good pro-town atmosphere"? I thought the good pro-town atmosphere for the mafia was where everyone was discussing their opinion about other players, not trying to refrain from attacking each other / cartering to other player's feelings ("buddying"). My suspicion metre of Amber[LighT] has shot up immeasureably, but I only touched beginning of the argument so I can possibly have joy of orgolove pulling off equally scummy maneuver.

orgolove's response is acceptable, though I'll take into note that he asked the king to claim.

Amber[LighT]'s reply only focuses on the second paragraph where orgolove askes for king claim and ignores the first paragraph. I don't like that. Okay, that's unfair since I just saw he effectively answered why he do not like voting system in his response to me, but seriously? You are going to call voting system which was used in mafia games for aeons "flawed" and state King autonomy is going to be better? First, there will be scum king some point in the game so argument that voting is bad because mafia can influence the lynch is null. Giving all the power into the king leads to danger of town spotlight being focused entirely on the king itself. The voting system allows everyone to be held accountable for their actions, not just the king. This is seriously weak argument rehashed into WoT.

orgolove disappears here and don't return for rest of the day methinks. orgolove and Amber[LighT] both had somewhat miffy points some point in their argument, but I definitely find amber to be worse. I might be suffering from DoctorHelvetica complex so I will withhold my vote until I finish the entire game, but I will probably looking over him hard as I do this.

(to be continued, b/c day 1 has motherload of posts. I feel like that time where I tried to cram for mid-term all in one night.)



I'm going to address your points as best as possible. I apologize for any discrepancies w/ regards to the language barrier. I understand not everyone speaks English first, so I will address what I can...

The use of the relics:

My thought when I read the description of the game and the various roles, even before Day 1 began, was that the relics could be used for a couple of scenarios:

a. The assassins could use this as a mechanism to divert blame away from making a decision that could bite them in the ass. This could increase trust with the King that used the relic because they felt that the town could benefit as a whole by not having a lynch directly come back to them later.

b. The assassins could use them to make sure that the town could not take advantage of these abilities later in the game. When you think about it, using Merlin for pro-town purposes is most beneficial during the first day, and the first day only. The worth of using this ability decreases day after day. The assassins could eventually use this ability to cause utter confusion at any point, making the worth of using it stay relatively the same throughout the game. The opposite actually applies for the other relic. That ability will increase in worth as the days go on, since the odds of hitting an assassin increase (see below) :

*Assuming assassins never get hit:
Day 1 --> 2/9 chance
Day 2 --> 2/7 chance
Day 3 --> 2/5 chance
Day 4 --> 2/3 chance (useless by then, but still worth noting)

**I am \ assuming that the sword also takes out the sitting king by random. If not then subtract 1 person per day. The worth of the ability would increase for an assassin king to use though.

It would appear that using the sword early is risky, but beneficial for the mafia. By today though, the worth of either ability has diminished so I doubt either party will jump to use them.

By today though I think even talking about the relics is pointless. I think the consensus of the town is that we would rather not use them. I am okay with this decision.

Also I replied to the most pressing issue in Orgoloves post. If he felt I did anything to not fulfill a complete response he could have asked me to respond again and rephrase the question. He did not. He made another post today that rehashed similar posting habits from his day 1 posts and I replied accordingly.

Also don't think that there is a 100% chance that there will be a mafia king. The kingmaker could actually be lucky enough to analyze players that are playing very pro-town. It's important for the kingmaker to do his part and analyze the players behind the scenes and avoid picking scum players. We could go through the whole game without ever having an assassin king. Congrats to the kingmaker if that happens.


Wondering why Hesmyrr didn't answer this.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 14 2010 22:42 GMT
#227
What was there for me to answer? (to Amber[LighT]'s post)

And yes, I stated that I struggled with the decision and I wouldn't have so if I had simply chosen to ignore your argument. The voter composition was in fact one of the decisive factors that decided me on my choice of lynch for the day. The fact that majority of Amber[LighT] post was all about discussion of mechanics over other players - which orgolove and BrownBear did, at least in paltry amount - did not help matters either. BrownBear being mia and not answering my question was kinda stupid but so was Amber[LighT] and Pandain.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 14 2010 22:48 GMT
#228
Your main issue with Amber[LighT] was that he supported king autonomy, and how he didn't respond to half a post. He explained himself, and argued that there is a pretty good chance that the mafia wouldn't be king.

If you want, you could have argued with him over it. However you did,'t.

You choose to lynch the person who wasn't responsive at all, and dismissed accusations as

On November 14 2010 11:15 BrownBear wrote:
ugh. There seems to be a lot of pressure on me, for really stupid reasons.

Without explaining why
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 14 2010 23:09 GMT
#229
Okay, I can concede on that point besides repeating that I thought voting/executing Amber[LighT] was better decision than voting/executing BrownBear. Both were scummy, but I clearly thought amber was more suspicious. I also believe my support of BrownBear is rather tenuous scum read until BrownBear flips as red. We'll see how it turns out in the next day though.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
November 14 2010 23:55 GMT
#230
Bleh. Nobody is paying attention to me.

I will need to hear orgolove and pandain's arguments or else they're the prime suspects on my list.

Sorry, but after tonight there will be only 5 people left, and I really can't stand semi-lurking. I was away too, and it's the weekend, fine, but we need to hear arguments.

Also, if we're gonna use merlin, it will have to be now. If we flip a red, we'll have 2v2 (after the reds kill one player, that night), and one red will be revealed, thus killed, leading to a 2v1 situation, which is basically a coin-flip for the king-maker.

I'm not saying it's the best solution, since to me, the chances of uncovering a red now are relatively close to random, so we might as well use the sword and have a kill as well. It's a tough choice, but this is where the game gets interesting. It might be do-or-die.

Ima go sleep. If I die, please consider what I just said.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
November 14 2010 23:58 GMT
#231
Side-note, just thought of it: the merlin situation can backfire if the day after flipping a red, the other red gets elected king (which is possible, 33% chance). It will be 2v2 and with a red king it will be instant-win for the mafia.
So not really the best scenario :/
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
November 15 2010 01:02 GMT
#232
On November 15 2010 08:55 CubEdIn wrote:
Bleh. Nobody is paying attention to me.

I will need to hear orgolove and pandain's arguments or else they're the prime suspects on my list.

Sorry, but after tonight there will be only 5 people left, and I really can't stand semi-lurking. I was away too, and it's the weekend, fine, but we need to hear arguments.

Also, if we're gonna use merlin, it will have to be now. If we flip a red, we'll have 2v2 (after the reds kill one player, that night), and one red will be revealed, thus killed, leading to a 2v1 situation, which is basically a coin-flip for the king-maker.

I'm not saying it's the best solution, since to me, the chances of uncovering a red now are relatively close to random, so we might as well use the sword and have a kill as well. It's a tough choice, but this is where the game gets interesting. It might be do-or-die.

Ima go sleep. If I die, please consider what I just said.

Uhh... Day already ended. We can't use merlin anymore. (It's a day action)
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 15 2010 06:23 GMT
#233
Night 2

[image loading]




Oh yes! We're back! Let's get things right on track!
It's Day 3! Oh gee! A new King for free!
Just one more mistake - this town is goner
Hope the Village does right cuz this game is a yawner
Then again, if they do mess up this time
at least I can stop with these corny rhymes


LSB, Villager has been killed



5 little Villagers meet in the Town Square
3 of them are good, noble and fair
1 is the maker of Kings with power
The Hero is dead, once known for his valor
2 of them villains that make you cower
And one shall be crowned King at this important hour!



Oh but be careful, for this can end dreadful
3 Villagers, 2 Assassins, how did this end up so awful
It's do or die, the last stand, LYLO some call it
whatever happens today someone surely will forfeit


Day 3 ends in 48 hours from now!
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
November 15 2010 09:18 GMT
#234
Coming from the ashes of LSB's cremation, it apparently seems his suspicions were right on target. It's the only reason they tried to stifle him.

Everything LSB has said regarding the town applies. We need to kill Brownbear.

##Lynch: Brownbear


After that get Hesmyrr.
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
November 15 2010 10:39 GMT
#235
I have a few things on my mind but I want to know who's the new king.

No point in voting just yet, as we can cause a fuss over nothing and get another blue lynched.
If we don't get a red lynched then town is fucked.

So hold your horses for a bit till we know who king is. Otherwise, you can get into dumb arguments.
Like say, if Brownbear is king, then he will surely not kill himself, and maybe go for orgolove for voting for him.
This is not wise, not at this very scary time.

Let's just calm down and try to make a good choice, at least once.

So, who's king?
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 15 2010 11:41 GMT
#236
##Execute Brownbear

diaeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
November 15 2010 11:57 GMT
#237
So much for making it interesting.

Lol.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
November 15 2010 11:58 GMT
#238
Maybe the kingmaker should've avoided choosing the LURKING MAFIA dude as the king.

+1 proof that nobody listens to me.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 15 2010 13:02 GMT
#239
Is still somewhat optimistic, you never know til it ends.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
November 15 2010 13:06 GMT
#240
Trust me, I do.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
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