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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 09 2013 14:01 GMT
#2361
oh yeah, Clarity, we played with Risen as TheChronicler in Chrono Trigger...
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 09 2013 14:01 GMT
#2362
On October 09 2013 22:57 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 22:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
I did read the actual bit. But the impression I got from Risen was that he was only half there.
Especially since his last post is "I'm driving ffs"


sorry, i'm not quite sure what point you were making then?


Me neither, in thinking it over.
It was something like: "Risen clearly isn't keeping a close eye on the thread yet votes his scumpartner and goes afk, rather than just staying on a townie"?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 09 2013 14:03 GMT
#2363
On October 09 2013 23:01 marvellosity wrote:
oh yeah, Clarity, we played with Risen as TheChronicler in Chrono Trigger...


Man he looks nothing like this game in Chrono =/
Was a year ago though
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 09 2013 14:04 GMT
#2364
On November 23 2012 12:09 TheChronicler wrote:
Phone dying. Not able to post/track thread until I can get home


Lol
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 09 2013 14:05 GMT
#2365
On October 08 2013 08:22 Risen wrote:
I'm stepping away. Lynch Oats, if town, lynch marv. That is all.

On October 08 2013 14:43 Risen wrote:
I will not be playing with Oats again.

I can only think of this move making sense coming from marv, dirk, or Clarity because it makes no sense for HF to do it. HF has been riding his town cred since day 1 and wouldn't shoot Oats here. Town would mislynch itself into a loss if he was scum and simply shot me or Clarity. He'd have to be trolling to do something like that. It's just a matter of WHY do that for him? I can't see it anywhere making sense.

Marv
+ Show Spoiler +

Why is marv alive if he's town? It's n2 and if he's town he's usually the most important/useful person in the thread, instead we have BH d1 and rayn dodge, sloosh d2 (though if we're being honest marv wasn't the only one on sloosh, but why didn't he put pressure on Clarity for last minute bus and he did on me and he didn't want to lynch Oats with me), and now what?

Marv knew that Oats would get lynched today if he killed me in the night and when Oats flipped town he would be the lynch day 4. How does marv live through two lynches when he's been called out and has gone for the 1 for 1 gambit, been wrong, and not lynched his partner, and tried to troll lynch and got doctor killed (but it was totes emotion guys)? He throws a wrench into things. By killing Oats in the night he discredits me because I was wrong about Oats and sets up for the "anyone but marv" lynch today. Anyone but marv gets lynched and then he night kills me tomorrow (assuming he doesn't get me lynched today) leaving marv/3 other people who probably won't lynch him because he has TWENTY SEVEN PAGES OF POSTING IS THIS REAL? Boom, marv wins the game. I bet when he thought this up he was so smug. Marv is smug whether scum OR town, but I bet he was sitting there chuckling to himself especially hard on this one.

If marv is alive at day 4 he isn't getting lynched. I will be dead and/or everyone else will just let him slither his way into "Oh I would NEVER do all this as scum, NEVER! Tehehehehe"

Something that actually makes me not want to lynch marv here is that he wanted to do a 1 for 1 trade he was so sure sloosh was scum. I offered the same thing to Pandain and Pandain scoffed at it in Noir and he turned out to be scum.


Clarity
+ Show Spoiler +

Clarity was suspicious to me early on, but as soon as rayn called me town I nailed him and when Oats started trolling me I tunneled onto him. It's Oats' fault and I'm never going to play with him again, he's as bad as Mocsta and Geript. Going back to Clarity, I find it funny that he swapped back with so little time left. He pretty much guarantees a sloosh lynch day 2 with his move with things staying as is and sloosh swap to rayn to save himself. I've been catching flak for a potential bus all game, but because I don't ride marv I don't get to be super awesome. If Clarity is scum, I can see him shooting Oats over this
On October 08 2013 07:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh man.
Lol Clarity is playing a really good scumgame then.

but that's a stretch. I don't see anything else in Oats filter recently that would make Clarity shoot Oats. If Clarity is scum why not ride an Oats/Dirk/marv lynch? That's three people he could have for today and tomorrow to lynch. It makes no sense for him to do this. BUT MAYBE he's afraid because people have been alerted to his last minute swap to rayn over sloosh now so he is afraid of going to day 4 as someone with a potential bus case being formed against him. It's a crazy play, but is anyone seriously considering lynching him? Before people might have considered him d4, now maybe he felt he had a better shot making people go crazy. This is actually a better reason to shoot Oats than the quoted statement. Or maybe he shot Oats because Oats was screaming that Clarity was totes town along with marv and he wanted to lynch dirk/marv and people would begin to suspect why such a strong town read for so many people was still alive? This doesn't apply to HF, in my opinion, simply because the game would have been so much easier for HF as scum to kill sloosh. Clarity's swap gets him town cred while lynching someone who was going to get lynched d2 anyways following a sloosh lynch. This seems really paranoid to me. If this were the case I'd have to accept that Clarity bussed his teammate with minutes left d1 when he wasn't a scum read for many people, then shot Oats while he was still not that high a priority for anyone because he was afraid of going into day 4 with a potential bus case developing on him. Ugh, it's twisting my brain around in circles and this feels ranty. It's such a needless risk for Clarity here.


Dirk
+ Show Spoiler +

Dirk has cases on him, he's been useless all game. He defends himself without pushing much of anything. He's the clear lynch here come day 3 with Oats gone and a town seemingly unwilling to lynch marv, so why shoot Oats? I think the same thing applying to marv here applies to Dirk. How does Dirk live through two lynches? How does he get himself to the finish line? He throws a wrench into things. He makes people think themselves out of his lynch. He rides me to a marv lynch today and then Does something fucking NUTS tomorrow to not get himself lynched. Is it possible this hail mary is his only option here? Has he essentially given up? Why not go for Oats/marv lynches is the thing holding me back. Presumably he's got my backing for both of those lynches, so why throw a wrench into it? I can only think he would throw a wrench into it because he felt the rest of town wanted to lynch him today over Oats or marv. It should be noted that I gave dirk a pass because I didn't envision a scenario in which one of Oats and marv weren't scum. That was stupid of me. Dirk might be counting on me to continue to be stupid, and I'm here to let him down. Logically, Dirk is the most likely to try something like this because desperation. Four pages of filter isn't necessarily damning assuming quality over quantity, but most of his filter is defense. Here is what bothers me most in his filter (two quotes), double spoilers ftw + Show Spoiler +
On October 05 2013 00:30 Dirkzor wrote:
Risen I don't know why you are complicating things. Marv played really pro-town until the BH thing which I don't think I'll ever truely understand. I don't understand why he would do it as either town or scum so I'm left with believing his claim to hate BH.

Instead you should read my case on Sloosh. Say you agree and we lynch sloosh.



I'm coming away from this with the feeling that Dirk knows marv is town. He doesn't say marv is a town read, but he certainly implies it HEAVILY. It's the kind of thing someone would say if they later wanted to go back on what they said earlier. What marv did was anti-town, plain and simple. Qualifying it is scummy. The second quote should have set me off earlier, but I guess that's what happens when someone trolls you. + Show Spoiler +
On October 05 2013 17:14 Dirkzor wrote:
##Vote Sloosh

Sloosh your "case" leaves much to be desired. You kinda scoot over everyone. If you really think I'm the last scum make a real case. Just on me. Not everyone. I'm sure you'll see that I ain't that bad.

I'll look into Oats since I'm not really sure about him. Just because Sloosh looks like the clear target we have to keep this going just in case.

Oats what did you mean by this:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really wanna know why Sloosh isnt in that list that Risen posted the day before.



Seems fairly straightforward to me. Oats wanted to know why sloosh wasn't in my earlier list. This reads to me as Dirk trying to blend as if he is contributing without actually contributing, a clear sign of scum. Oats then goes on to go attack mode on Dirk. This lends credence to the fact that Dirk has to make a big play in order to live past day 3. But why doesn't Dirk know that everyone else will simply see through that? He does. He simply has no other option. Do nothing? Get lynched d3 or d4. Do something? Town might stumble and kill themselves off.


Most logically it's Dirk. Big play, but still logical, it's Marv. Only way I see this happening is if he's afraid of bus momentum starting and wants to throw a wrench into the works play, Clarity. Jesus fuck if HF is scum and did this I just want to know why? Regardless, I am going to go to sleep. Maybe HF is in the same boat as Clarity and wanted to make town panic and scramble so people wouldn't look into him more closely in spite of people continuously saying "I'm reading HF's filter and he's coming up town" but then why is HF alive? That's the same thing I'm wondering about marv, though. Maybe he's afraid of something he posted coming to light, though, and decided to throw a wrench into the mix.

I am going to read Clarity and HF's filters very closely tomorrow, but I think after thinking about this and thinking it through Dirk is the lynch.

##vote: Dirkzor


Look marv already pointed this out. Was why he voted Risen earlier. But what happened from D2/N2 to day 3? Thats the best I can find. Risen was so sure Marv was scummy after Oats. Then suddenly he wasn't. He explains why it is so in his post though.

Also I can see no reason for Risen to shoot Oats. He was gunning and pushing him as scum most of D2/N2.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 09 2013 14:06 GMT
#2366
On October 09 2013 23:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 12:09 TheChronicler wrote:
Phone dying. Not able to post/track thread until I can get home


Lol

what does that mean... was he scum?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 09 2013 14:06 GMT
#2367
On October 09 2013 23:05 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 08:22 Risen wrote:
I'm stepping away. Lynch Oats, if town, lynch marv. That is all.

Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 14:43 Risen wrote:
I will not be playing with Oats again.

I can only think of this move making sense coming from marv, dirk, or Clarity because it makes no sense for HF to do it. HF has been riding his town cred since day 1 and wouldn't shoot Oats here. Town would mislynch itself into a loss if he was scum and simply shot me or Clarity. He'd have to be trolling to do something like that. It's just a matter of WHY do that for him? I can't see it anywhere making sense.

Marv
+ Show Spoiler +

Why is marv alive if he's town? It's n2 and if he's town he's usually the most important/useful person in the thread, instead we have BH d1 and rayn dodge, sloosh d2 (though if we're being honest marv wasn't the only one on sloosh, but why didn't he put pressure on Clarity for last minute bus and he did on me and he didn't want to lynch Oats with me), and now what?

Marv knew that Oats would get lynched today if he killed me in the night and when Oats flipped town he would be the lynch day 4. How does marv live through two lynches when he's been called out and has gone for the 1 for 1 gambit, been wrong, and not lynched his partner, and tried to troll lynch and got doctor killed (but it was totes emotion guys)? He throws a wrench into things. By killing Oats in the night he discredits me because I was wrong about Oats and sets up for the "anyone but marv" lynch today. Anyone but marv gets lynched and then he night kills me tomorrow (assuming he doesn't get me lynched today) leaving marv/3 other people who probably won't lynch him because he has TWENTY SEVEN PAGES OF POSTING IS THIS REAL? Boom, marv wins the game. I bet when he thought this up he was so smug. Marv is smug whether scum OR town, but I bet he was sitting there chuckling to himself especially hard on this one.

If marv is alive at day 4 he isn't getting lynched. I will be dead and/or everyone else will just let him slither his way into "Oh I would NEVER do all this as scum, NEVER! Tehehehehe"

Something that actually makes me not want to lynch marv here is that he wanted to do a 1 for 1 trade he was so sure sloosh was scum. I offered the same thing to Pandain and Pandain scoffed at it in Noir and he turned out to be scum.


Clarity
+ Show Spoiler +

Clarity was suspicious to me early on, but as soon as rayn called me town I nailed him and when Oats started trolling me I tunneled onto him. It's Oats' fault and I'm never going to play with him again, he's as bad as Mocsta and Geript. Going back to Clarity, I find it funny that he swapped back with so little time left. He pretty much guarantees a sloosh lynch day 2 with his move with things staying as is and sloosh swap to rayn to save himself. I've been catching flak for a potential bus all game, but because I don't ride marv I don't get to be super awesome. If Clarity is scum, I can see him shooting Oats over this
On October 08 2013 07:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh man.
Lol Clarity is playing a really good scumgame then.

but that's a stretch. I don't see anything else in Oats filter recently that would make Clarity shoot Oats. If Clarity is scum why not ride an Oats/Dirk/marv lynch? That's three people he could have for today and tomorrow to lynch. It makes no sense for him to do this. BUT MAYBE he's afraid because people have been alerted to his last minute swap to rayn over sloosh now so he is afraid of going to day 4 as someone with a potential bus case being formed against him. It's a crazy play, but is anyone seriously considering lynching him? Before people might have considered him d4, now maybe he felt he had a better shot making people go crazy. This is actually a better reason to shoot Oats than the quoted statement. Or maybe he shot Oats because Oats was screaming that Clarity was totes town along with marv and he wanted to lynch dirk/marv and people would begin to suspect why such a strong town read for so many people was still alive? This doesn't apply to HF, in my opinion, simply because the game would have been so much easier for HF as scum to kill sloosh. Clarity's swap gets him town cred while lynching someone who was going to get lynched d2 anyways following a sloosh lynch. This seems really paranoid to me. If this were the case I'd have to accept that Clarity bussed his teammate with minutes left d1 when he wasn't a scum read for many people, then shot Oats while he was still not that high a priority for anyone because he was afraid of going into day 4 with a potential bus case developing on him. Ugh, it's twisting my brain around in circles and this feels ranty. It's such a needless risk for Clarity here.


Dirk
+ Show Spoiler +

Dirk has cases on him, he's been useless all game. He defends himself without pushing much of anything. He's the clear lynch here come day 3 with Oats gone and a town seemingly unwilling to lynch marv, so why shoot Oats? I think the same thing applying to marv here applies to Dirk. How does Dirk live through two lynches? How does he get himself to the finish line? He throws a wrench into things. He makes people think themselves out of his lynch. He rides me to a marv lynch today and then Does something fucking NUTS tomorrow to not get himself lynched. Is it possible this hail mary is his only option here? Has he essentially given up? Why not go for Oats/marv lynches is the thing holding me back. Presumably he's got my backing for both of those lynches, so why throw a wrench into it? I can only think he would throw a wrench into it because he felt the rest of town wanted to lynch him today over Oats or marv. It should be noted that I gave dirk a pass because I didn't envision a scenario in which one of Oats and marv weren't scum. That was stupid of me. Dirk might be counting on me to continue to be stupid, and I'm here to let him down. Logically, Dirk is the most likely to try something like this because desperation. Four pages of filter isn't necessarily damning assuming quality over quantity, but most of his filter is defense. Here is what bothers me most in his filter (two quotes), double spoilers ftw + Show Spoiler +
On October 05 2013 00:30 Dirkzor wrote:
Risen I don't know why you are complicating things. Marv played really pro-town until the BH thing which I don't think I'll ever truely understand. I don't understand why he would do it as either town or scum so I'm left with believing his claim to hate BH.

Instead you should read my case on Sloosh. Say you agree and we lynch sloosh.



I'm coming away from this with the feeling that Dirk knows marv is town. He doesn't say marv is a town read, but he certainly implies it HEAVILY. It's the kind of thing someone would say if they later wanted to go back on what they said earlier. What marv did was anti-town, plain and simple. Qualifying it is scummy. The second quote should have set me off earlier, but I guess that's what happens when someone trolls you. + Show Spoiler +
On October 05 2013 17:14 Dirkzor wrote:
##Vote Sloosh

Sloosh your "case" leaves much to be desired. You kinda scoot over everyone. If you really think I'm the last scum make a real case. Just on me. Not everyone. I'm sure you'll see that I ain't that bad.

I'll look into Oats since I'm not really sure about him. Just because Sloosh looks like the clear target we have to keep this going just in case.

Oats what did you mean by this:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really wanna know why Sloosh isnt in that list that Risen posted the day before.



Seems fairly straightforward to me. Oats wanted to know why sloosh wasn't in my earlier list. This reads to me as Dirk trying to blend as if he is contributing without actually contributing, a clear sign of scum. Oats then goes on to go attack mode on Dirk. This lends credence to the fact that Dirk has to make a big play in order to live past day 3. But why doesn't Dirk know that everyone else will simply see through that? He does. He simply has no other option. Do nothing? Get lynched d3 or d4. Do something? Town might stumble and kill themselves off.


Most logically it's Dirk. Big play, but still logical, it's Marv. Only way I see this happening is if he's afraid of bus momentum starting and wants to throw a wrench into the works play, Clarity. Jesus fuck if HF is scum and did this I just want to know why? Regardless, I am going to go to sleep. Maybe HF is in the same boat as Clarity and wanted to make town panic and scramble so people wouldn't look into him more closely in spite of people continuously saying "I'm reading HF's filter and he's coming up town" but then why is HF alive? That's the same thing I'm wondering about marv, though. Maybe he's afraid of something he posted coming to light, though, and decided to throw a wrench into the mix.

I am going to read Clarity and HF's filters very closely tomorrow, but I think after thinking about this and thinking it through Dirk is the lynch.

##vote: Dirkzor


Look marv already pointed this out. Was why he voted Risen earlier. But what happened from D2/N2 to day 3? Thats the best I can find. Risen was so sure Marv was scummy after Oats. Then suddenly he wasn't. He explains why it is so in his post though.

Also I can see no reason for Risen to shoot Oats. He was gunning and pushing him as scum most of D2/N2.


Same with everyone though, as has been gone over ad infinitum.

Remember Risen is the player who won an award in LIII for best/most crazy mafia play for a totally pointless last minute switch between town and town. And also in Chrono Trigger he fabricated a parity cop check to 'confirm' himself. Of all the people crazy enough to shoot Oats.... Risen's that guy.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 09 2013 14:07 GMT
#2368
Yeah he was. But that doesn't mean he was lying about it really, just found it amusing.

Risen is pushing his fake scumreads in chrono much more than he is this game, but that might just be because Risen got discouraged by his last 3-4 games of no one listening to him.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 09 2013 14:07 GMT
#2369
On October 09 2013 23:06 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 23:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
On November 23 2012 12:09 TheChronicler wrote:
Phone dying. Not able to post/track thread until I can get home


Lol

what does that mean... was he scum?


lol. he was.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 09 2013 14:07 GMT
#2370
right hold on
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 09 2013 14:09 GMT
#2371
I'm checking the scum qt to see if he was around after he said that
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 09 2013 14:10 GMT
#2372
On October 09 2013 23:05 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 08:22 Risen wrote:
I'm stepping away. Lynch Oats, if town, lynch marv. That is all.

Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 14:43 Risen wrote:
I will not be playing with Oats again.

I can only think of this move making sense coming from marv, dirk, or Clarity because it makes no sense for HF to do it. HF has been riding his town cred since day 1 and wouldn't shoot Oats here. Town would mislynch itself into a loss if he was scum and simply shot me or Clarity. He'd have to be trolling to do something like that. It's just a matter of WHY do that for him? I can't see it anywhere making sense.

Marv
+ Show Spoiler +

Why is marv alive if he's town? It's n2 and if he's town he's usually the most important/useful person in the thread, instead we have BH d1 and rayn dodge, sloosh d2 (though if we're being honest marv wasn't the only one on sloosh, but why didn't he put pressure on Clarity for last minute bus and he did on me and he didn't want to lynch Oats with me), and now what?

Marv knew that Oats would get lynched today if he killed me in the night and when Oats flipped town he would be the lynch day 4. How does marv live through two lynches when he's been called out and has gone for the 1 for 1 gambit, been wrong, and not lynched his partner, and tried to troll lynch and got doctor killed (but it was totes emotion guys)? He throws a wrench into things. By killing Oats in the night he discredits me because I was wrong about Oats and sets up for the "anyone but marv" lynch today. Anyone but marv gets lynched and then he night kills me tomorrow (assuming he doesn't get me lynched today) leaving marv/3 other people who probably won't lynch him because he has TWENTY SEVEN PAGES OF POSTING IS THIS REAL? Boom, marv wins the game. I bet when he thought this up he was so smug. Marv is smug whether scum OR town, but I bet he was sitting there chuckling to himself especially hard on this one.

If marv is alive at day 4 he isn't getting lynched. I will be dead and/or everyone else will just let him slither his way into "Oh I would NEVER do all this as scum, NEVER! Tehehehehe"

Something that actually makes me not want to lynch marv here is that he wanted to do a 1 for 1 trade he was so sure sloosh was scum. I offered the same thing to Pandain and Pandain scoffed at it in Noir and he turned out to be scum.


Clarity
+ Show Spoiler +

Clarity was suspicious to me early on, but as soon as rayn called me town I nailed him and when Oats started trolling me I tunneled onto him. It's Oats' fault and I'm never going to play with him again, he's as bad as Mocsta and Geript. Going back to Clarity, I find it funny that he swapped back with so little time left. He pretty much guarantees a sloosh lynch day 2 with his move with things staying as is and sloosh swap to rayn to save himself. I've been catching flak for a potential bus all game, but because I don't ride marv I don't get to be super awesome. If Clarity is scum, I can see him shooting Oats over this
On October 08 2013 07:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh man.
Lol Clarity is playing a really good scumgame then.

but that's a stretch. I don't see anything else in Oats filter recently that would make Clarity shoot Oats. If Clarity is scum why not ride an Oats/Dirk/marv lynch? That's three people he could have for today and tomorrow to lynch. It makes no sense for him to do this. BUT MAYBE he's afraid because people have been alerted to his last minute swap to rayn over sloosh now so he is afraid of going to day 4 as someone with a potential bus case being formed against him. It's a crazy play, but is anyone seriously considering lynching him? Before people might have considered him d4, now maybe he felt he had a better shot making people go crazy. This is actually a better reason to shoot Oats than the quoted statement. Or maybe he shot Oats because Oats was screaming that Clarity was totes town along with marv and he wanted to lynch dirk/marv and people would begin to suspect why such a strong town read for so many people was still alive? This doesn't apply to HF, in my opinion, simply because the game would have been so much easier for HF as scum to kill sloosh. Clarity's swap gets him town cred while lynching someone who was going to get lynched d2 anyways following a sloosh lynch. This seems really paranoid to me. If this were the case I'd have to accept that Clarity bussed his teammate with minutes left d1 when he wasn't a scum read for many people, then shot Oats while he was still not that high a priority for anyone because he was afraid of going into day 4 with a potential bus case developing on him. Ugh, it's twisting my brain around in circles and this feels ranty. It's such a needless risk for Clarity here.


Dirk
+ Show Spoiler +

Dirk has cases on him, he's been useless all game. He defends himself without pushing much of anything. He's the clear lynch here come day 3 with Oats gone and a town seemingly unwilling to lynch marv, so why shoot Oats? I think the same thing applying to marv here applies to Dirk. How does Dirk live through two lynches? How does he get himself to the finish line? He throws a wrench into things. He makes people think themselves out of his lynch. He rides me to a marv lynch today and then Does something fucking NUTS tomorrow to not get himself lynched. Is it possible this hail mary is his only option here? Has he essentially given up? Why not go for Oats/marv lynches is the thing holding me back. Presumably he's got my backing for both of those lynches, so why throw a wrench into it? I can only think he would throw a wrench into it because he felt the rest of town wanted to lynch him today over Oats or marv. It should be noted that I gave dirk a pass because I didn't envision a scenario in which one of Oats and marv weren't scum. That was stupid of me. Dirk might be counting on me to continue to be stupid, and I'm here to let him down. Logically, Dirk is the most likely to try something like this because desperation. Four pages of filter isn't necessarily damning assuming quality over quantity, but most of his filter is defense. Here is what bothers me most in his filter (two quotes), double spoilers ftw + Show Spoiler +
On October 05 2013 00:30 Dirkzor wrote:
Risen I don't know why you are complicating things. Marv played really pro-town until the BH thing which I don't think I'll ever truely understand. I don't understand why he would do it as either town or scum so I'm left with believing his claim to hate BH.

Instead you should read my case on Sloosh. Say you agree and we lynch sloosh.



I'm coming away from this with the feeling that Dirk knows marv is town. He doesn't say marv is a town read, but he certainly implies it HEAVILY. It's the kind of thing someone would say if they later wanted to go back on what they said earlier. What marv did was anti-town, plain and simple. Qualifying it is scummy. The second quote should have set me off earlier, but I guess that's what happens when someone trolls you. + Show Spoiler +
On October 05 2013 17:14 Dirkzor wrote:
##Vote Sloosh

Sloosh your "case" leaves much to be desired. You kinda scoot over everyone. If you really think I'm the last scum make a real case. Just on me. Not everyone. I'm sure you'll see that I ain't that bad.

I'll look into Oats since I'm not really sure about him. Just because Sloosh looks like the clear target we have to keep this going just in case.

Oats what did you mean by this:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really wanna know why Sloosh isnt in that list that Risen posted the day before.



Seems fairly straightforward to me. Oats wanted to know why sloosh wasn't in my earlier list. This reads to me as Dirk trying to blend as if he is contributing without actually contributing, a clear sign of scum. Oats then goes on to go attack mode on Dirk. This lends credence to the fact that Dirk has to make a big play in order to live past day 3. But why doesn't Dirk know that everyone else will simply see through that? He does. He simply has no other option. Do nothing? Get lynched d3 or d4. Do something? Town might stumble and kill themselves off.


Most logically it's Dirk. Big play, but still logical, it's Marv. Only way I see this happening is if he's afraid of bus momentum starting and wants to throw a wrench into the works play, Clarity. Jesus fuck if HF is scum and did this I just want to know why? Regardless, I am going to go to sleep. Maybe HF is in the same boat as Clarity and wanted to make town panic and scramble so people wouldn't look into him more closely in spite of people continuously saying "I'm reading HF's filter and he's coming up town" but then why is HF alive? That's the same thing I'm wondering about marv, though. Maybe he's afraid of something he posted coming to light, though, and decided to throw a wrench into the mix.

I am going to read Clarity and HF's filters very closely tomorrow, but I think after thinking about this and thinking it through Dirk is the lynch.

##vote: Dirkzor


Look marv already pointed this out. Was why he voted Risen earlier. But what happened from D2/N2 to day 3? Thats the best I can find. Risen was so sure Marv was scummy after Oats. Then suddenly he wasn't. He explains why it is so in his post though.

Also I can see no reason for Risen to shoot Oats. He was gunning and pushing him as scum most of D2/N2.


Small correction. I never voted Risen, but I did find it suspicious. Which was then easily superceded by how suspicious I was for you not caring

Your timeline of votes that Risen made does look correct. I hadn't noticed the "it's only 2 including me" and being behind on the phone because Holy voted. That's a nice catch as either alignment tbh lol
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 09 2013 14:11 GMT
#2373
Marv knew that Oats would get lynched today if he killed me in the night and when Oats flipped town he would be the lynch day 4. How does marv live through two lynches when he's been called out and has gone for the 1 for 1 gambit, been wrong, and not lynched his partner, and tried to troll lynch and got doctor killed (but it was totes emotion guys)

Dirk has cases on him, he's been useless all game. He defends himself without pushing much of anything. He's the clear lynch here come day 3 with Oats gone and a town seemingly unwilling to lynch marv, so why shoot Oats? I think the same thing applying to marv here applies to Dirk. How does Dirk live through two lynches? How does he get himself to the finish line?


Quotes from Risen's last post. Why does that stick out to me? I'm not sure if relevant. Seems to me he thinks marv is unlynchable but still uses the argument that Marv wouldn't live through 2 lynches without killing oats...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 09 2013 14:12 GMT
#2374
On October 09 2013 23:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm checking the scum qt to see if he was around after he said that


it makes no sense to afk with your vote on mafia and not town though >.<

then again, if dirk is in fact town, then mafia bussed needlessly...
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 09 2013 14:13 GMT
#2375
On October 09 2013 23:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm checking the scum qt to see if he was around after he said that

Btw I never saw that post where marv stated that someone was in another topic or QT while not posting here... (rayn was it, when playing drunk D1?) where is it... I've been wonderign why I never saw it...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 09 2013 14:15 GMT
#2376
On October 09 2013 23:11 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
Marv knew that Oats would get lynched today if he killed me in the night and when Oats flipped town he would be the lynch day 4. How does marv live through two lynches when he's been called out and has gone for the 1 for 1 gambit, been wrong, and not lynched his partner, and tried to troll lynch and got doctor killed (but it was totes emotion guys)

Dirk has cases on him, he's been useless all game. He defends himself without pushing much of anything. He's the clear lynch here come day 3 with Oats gone and a town seemingly unwilling to lynch marv, so why shoot Oats? I think the same thing applying to marv here applies to Dirk. How does Dirk live through two lynches? How does he get himself to the finish line?


Quotes from Risen's last post. Why does that stick out to me? I'm not sure if relevant. Seems to me he thinks marv is unlynchable but still uses the argument that Marv wouldn't live through 2 lynches without killing oats...


I can pick a lot of holes in his whole post he made, I just don't know if it's scummy or just bad reasoning. The one I remember is... *goes to find*

Why is marv alive if he's town?

How does marv live through two lynches when he's been called out and has gone for the 1 for 1 gambit, been wrong, and not lynched his partner, and tried to troll lynch and got doctor killed (but it was totes emotion guys)? He throws a wrench into things.

If marv is alive at day 4 he isn't getting lynched.


All these are from the same piece he made on me. They don't make much sense together, but i don't know if that's scummy tbh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 09 2013 14:17 GMT
#2377
On October 09 2013 23:13 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 23:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm checking the scum qt to see if he was around after he said that

Btw I never saw that post where marv stated that someone was in another topic or QT while not posting here... (rayn was it, when playing drunk D1?) where is it... I've been wonderign why I never saw it...


was Risen I think? didn't seem massively important. hold on
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 09 2013 14:17 GMT
#2378
On October 09 2013 23:13 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 23:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm checking the scum qt to see if he was around after he said that

Btw I never saw that post where marv stated that someone was in another topic or QT while not posting here... (rayn was it, when playing drunk D1?) where is it... I've been wonderign why I never saw it...


Was about Risen somewhere between the first and second half of day 1, after he made his case on me he disappeared.

Nothing conclusive out of the chrono game regarding phone dying sadly
03:09 GMT (+00:00) Risen says phone dying will post when home
04:05 GMT (+00:00) Risen posting in scum qt

Seems legit. Would be kind of a dumb thing to lie about anyway.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 09 2013 14:18 GMT
#2379
On October 09 2013 23:17 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 23:13 Dirkzor wrote:
On October 09 2013 23:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm checking the scum qt to see if he was around after he said that

Btw I never saw that post where marv stated that someone was in another topic or QT while not posting here... (rayn was it, when playing drunk D1?) where is it... I've been wonderign why I never saw it...


was Risen I think? didn't seem massively important. hold on


I have to go for a little while. Was in noir obsQT

Risen
10-02-2013
11:53 PM ET (US)
Well... I feel bad :/

Don't know how to make the times line up, will check into it later if you can't either
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 09 2013 14:20 GMT
#2380
On October 09 2013 23:18 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 23:17 marvellosity wrote:
On October 09 2013 23:13 Dirkzor wrote:
On October 09 2013 23:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm checking the scum qt to see if he was around after he said that

Btw I never saw that post where marv stated that someone was in another topic or QT while not posting here... (rayn was it, when playing drunk D1?) where is it... I've been wonderign why I never saw it...


was Risen I think? didn't seem massively important. hold on


I have to go for a little while. Was in noir obsQT

Risen
10-02-2013
11:53 PM ET (US)
Well... I feel bad :/

Don't know how to make the times line up, will check into it later if you can't either


04:53 GMT (+00:00)
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