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On October 10 2013 00:30 Holyflare wrote:Oh also, by the way. If it was dirkzor's intention "to lay a trap" Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 01:32 Dirkzor wrote:On October 09 2013 01:08 Holyflare wrote:
You may have the traits of a towny but there is always that lingering suspicious nature about you. You were SO SURE about sloosh that when people (oats, risen, dirk etc.) were doing extra scum hunting that you thought it was funny and wouldn't participate. You effectively did not participate in an entire day because you "thought the game was solved". Here we are day 3, and the same scenario is coming down.
The only reason that oats could be killed was to add further speculation about dirkzor making a desperation move, pretty simple play to make if you think about it coming from you it lets you sit back for an entire day again and not have to do anything but vote for dirkzor. This means that you don't have to do even more extra scum hunting compared to if you left oats alive. Oats was looking for scum, even through the trolling, he was pretty much the only one looking. Now, you can conveniently eliminate another day and as you've painted risen as your next target I presume he will be your choice for the day after. Everytime someone so much as mentions the word marv and scum in a sentence you flip out about how you are "the most town, and have progressed us through most of the game".
Now, I'm not saying you are scum, I'm not saying you aren't. Of course I will filter dive you and see whether these feels are baseless or not. This is just a theory after all.
Thank you. And btw Marv didn't progress anything. Bh did the rayn thing. I did sloosh (wrongly) - which you sheeped. At day 1 lynch marv didn't push anyone towards lynch time and he never committed much to anything. I was around then and he did not question me further about it, he just continued pushing you and used it as fuel for his case. Now I'm not one to play up traps but it's not really effective if you don't say AHA you just got played until your case fails is it?
I did spot it. Why do you think I emphasized it? But your whole post was so vague that it didn't really give me much... (the bolded part)
You are right I should have stuck to my guns and waited it out. But neither you or Risen was here and I won't be around at lynch time due to me sleeping. So the clock was ticking..
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On October 10 2013 00:32 Holyflare wrote:
However, I think it's pretty minor, just the way he talks about risen is "he's so sure town". I honestly don't think risen would make a massive case on rayn like that though, there was no actual need to bus day 1....
It's perfectly possible Risen is not mafia, but this argument is so awful, and Clarity's made it too.
If I think I can make cases on my mafiabuddy at any point in the game and they won't get lynched, I'm fucking doing it. Every. Single. Time.
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On October 10 2013 00:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:32 Holyflare wrote:
However, I think it's pretty minor, just the way he talks about risen is "he's so sure town". I honestly don't think risen would make a massive case on rayn like that though, there was no actual need to bus day 1.... It's perfectly possible Risen is not mafia, but this argument is so awful, and Clarity's made it too. If I think I can make cases on my mafiabuddy at any point in the game and they won't get lynched, I'm fucking doing it. Every. Single. Time.
Yeh but there was no NEED for risen to switch to rayn at the time.
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On October 10 2013 00:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On October 10 2013 00:32 Holyflare wrote:
However, I think it's pretty minor, just the way he talks about risen is "he's so sure town". I honestly don't think risen would make a massive case on rayn like that though, there was no actual need to bus day 1.... It's perfectly possible Risen is not mafia, but this argument is so awful, and Clarity's made it too. If I think I can make cases on my mafiabuddy at any point in the game and they won't get lynched, I'm fucking doing it. Every. Single. Time. Yeh but there was no NEED for risen to switch to rayn at the time.
Risen got his mafia award for doing something mafia had no "need" to do as well. It's precisely why he got the award in fact. Meh.
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and I was referring to the case he made mostly, not the switching at the end of the day.
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Yeh, of course you can do that. It was the interactions that risen had after he made the case that made it seem more genuine. That, coupled with his confirmation biased aggressiveness just added to my town read of him most of the game as most of his games I've seen he has been pretty similar.
I mean, sure, it would make sense to make a case on like dirkzor or something and get everybody to train back onto him but to make a case on rayn who was on the forefront of everyones minds for a lynch just didn't make sense. Especially when he could have just voted sloosh and been done with it.
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On October 10 2013 00:34 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:30 Holyflare wrote:Oh also, by the way. If it was dirkzor's intention "to lay a trap" On October 09 2013 01:32 Dirkzor wrote:On October 09 2013 01:08 Holyflare wrote:
You may have the traits of a towny but there is always that lingering suspicious nature about you. You were SO SURE about sloosh that when people (oats, risen, dirk etc.) were doing extra scum hunting that you thought it was funny and wouldn't participate. You effectively did not participate in an entire day because you "thought the game was solved". Here we are day 3, and the same scenario is coming down.
The only reason that oats could be killed was to add further speculation about dirkzor making a desperation move, pretty simple play to make if you think about it coming from you it lets you sit back for an entire day again and not have to do anything but vote for dirkzor. This means that you don't have to do even more extra scum hunting compared to if you left oats alive. Oats was looking for scum, even through the trolling, he was pretty much the only one looking. Now, you can conveniently eliminate another day and as you've painted risen as your next target I presume he will be your choice for the day after. Everytime someone so much as mentions the word marv and scum in a sentence you flip out about how you are "the most town, and have progressed us through most of the game".
Now, I'm not saying you are scum, I'm not saying you aren't. Of course I will filter dive you and see whether these feels are baseless or not. This is just a theory after all.
Thank you. And btw Marv didn't progress anything. Bh did the rayn thing. I did sloosh (wrongly) - which you sheeped. At day 1 lynch marv didn't push anyone towards lynch time and he never committed much to anything. I was around then and he did not question me further about it, he just continued pushing you and used it as fuel for his case. Now I'm not one to play up traps but it's not really effective if you don't say AHA you just got played until your case fails is it? I did spot it. Why do you think I emphasized it? But your whole post was so vague that it didn't really give me much... (the bolded part) You are right I should have stuck to my guns and waited it out. But neither you or Risen was here and I won't be around at lynch time due to me sleeping. So the clock was ticking..
You are pointing out a post that marv asked me to post by the way, it has no relation to your post.
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On October 10 2013 00:43 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh, of course you can do that. It was the interactions that risen had after he made the case that made it seem more genuine. That, coupled with his confirmation biased aggressiveness just added to my town read of him most of the game as most of his games I've seen he has been pretty similar.
I mean, sure, it would make sense to make a case on like dirkzor or something and get everybody to train back onto him but to make a case on rayn who was on the forefront of everyones minds for a lynch just didn't make sense. Especially when he could have just voted sloosh and been done with it.
Not how I remember it =/
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On October 10 2013 00:43 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh, of course you can do that. It was the interactions that risen had after he made the case that made it seem more genuine. That, coupled with his confirmation biased aggressiveness just added to my town read of him most of the game as most of his games I've seen he has been pretty similar.
I mean, sure, it would make sense to make a case on like dirkzor or something and get everybody to train back onto him but to make a case on rayn who was on the forefront of everyones minds for a lynch just didn't make sense. Especially when he could have just voted sloosh and been done with it.
this isn't true. wasn't on anyone's mind really, and his case gained zero traction.
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AT LEAST WE BOLDED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY
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Rayn wasn't on the forefront. BH found him scummy and so did I. Don't think he had any votes at all at the time. (maybe BH?) Sloosh was at the forefront at the time iirc
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if clarity is somehow mafia, then i've thought like mafia all game. that would be so depressing
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I meant back ~_~
There is no possible way that you could argue that how rayn was playing was not scummy. To me he was clearly the second most reasonable lynch in the game. Posts nothing but crap at the start, jumps onto someone he didn't find that scummy and then afk's on a dirkzor vote till like 20 mins at the end where he then votes sloosh over risen.
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On October 10 2013 00:50 Holyflare wrote:
I meant back ~_~
There is no possible way that you could argue that how rayn was playing was not scummy. To me he was clearly the second most reasonable lynch in the game. Posts nothing but crap at the start, jumps onto someone he didn't find that scummy and then afk's on a dirkzor vote till like 20 mins at the end where he then votes sloosh over risen.
that's all very well in hindsight, however that wasn't what the thread was like at the time, which is the point.
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It was to me, hence why I said "the only other person I'm comfortable lynching is rayn"
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go read the thread.
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rayn was getting zero traction, and risen's case didn't make rayn gain traction.
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Both me and marv expressed unwillingness to lynch rayn d1
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