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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 02 2013 06:24 GMT
#201
I retract my townread on sloosh btw, that was a bit hasty.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 02 2013 06:26 GMT
#202
On October 02 2013 15:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 15:20 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 15:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 02 2013 15:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Seriously though if the reason I've given for lynching him are normal oats behavior then that's like a policy lynch reason right there. We should do it, it would be awesome.


I know you like your game theory, and technically we have a 2/7 chance (since doc will claim), but the information we get off of people agreeing to a random lynch isn't that telling I don't think. Rather just spark discussion as usual and see what happens.
Despite,(according to database numbers) a random lynch being slightly more effective, if it hits town it probably gets less information than if there are a couple of lynch candidates and they are discussed and votes are moved around.


That's a reasonable thing to say. That being said, the RNG led (and in general it seems, leads) to a good discussion. I don't think things would have played out as they did unless I RNGed this game, and I'm glad I did.


That's fine and I think we have some information that came out of it rather than lurker lynch policy talk which is a dead horse.
But do you plan on hanging on to your rng lynch today unless someone becomes obvious scum? Or do you feel that oats is no longer a random lynch now and you think he's most likely to flip scum at this time, and if that changes you'll change your vote?


I'm not planning to vote oats because of RNG. I like my vote on him. I have suspicions on risen. Although HF's most recent posts are nice I'd like to hear more from him once he's awake again (and sloosh remains null). In general, I think given my current info Oats is the optimal lynch for hittings lots of scum, removing potential liabilities at lylo (both as lynchbait and as a poor decisionmaker), and improving thread atmosphere.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 02 2013 06:41 GMT
#203
Blazing, since you're around, any first impression on sloosh?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 02 2013 06:44 GMT
#204
Taking a look at what he's posted so far...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19888508 fluff question
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19888710 reads, weak, not interrogative, no votes, no reasons
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19888809 weak read
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19888965 weird questions. not getting his point across directly

Not much to go on, but he didn't do much. I'm not ready to lynch him yet but I am quite unimpressed.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 02 2013 06:46 GMT
#205
I'm not trying to imply that I put him as a townread as some kind of trap, I didn't, just wasn't thinking properly.
But did you not find it odd that I gave him a townread earlier?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 02 2013 06:47 GMT
#206
Not really, I wasn't paying attention to you.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 02 2013 06:50 GMT
#207
I guess it find it kind of odd now, but it's substantially less odd since you're calling attention to it (good work!)
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 02 2013 06:50 GMT
#208
Fair enough. I'm pretty eager to play but there's not much meat to this game quite yet.
Anything you wanna talk about?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
October 02 2013 06:55 GMT
#209
I think I'm probably good for now. I want to hear more from oats, and see what people have to say re: my stuff on oats. I think once he returns to the thread his "contributions" will be revealed for what they are and everyone will come around.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 02 2013 09:34 GMT
#210
On October 02 2013 15:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 15:20 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 15:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 02 2013 15:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Seriously though if the reason I've given for lynching him are normal oats behavior then that's like a policy lynch reason right there. We should do it, it would be awesome.


I know you like your game theory, and technically we have a 2/7 chance (since doc will claim), but the information we get off of people agreeing to a random lynch isn't that telling I don't think. Rather just spark discussion as usual and see what happens.
Despite,(according to database numbers) a random lynch being slightly more effective, if it hits town it probably gets less information than if there are a couple of lynch candidates and they are discussed and votes are moved around.


That's a reasonable thing to say. That being said, the RNG led (and in general it seems, leads) to a good discussion. I don't think things would have played out as they did unless I RNGed this game, and I'm glad I did.


That's fine and I think we have some information that came out of it rather than lurker lynch policy talk which is a dead horse.
But do you plan on hanging on to your rng lynch today unless someone becomes obvious scum? Or do you feel that oats is no longer a random lynch now and you think he's most likely to flip scum at this time, and if that changes you'll change your vote?


What info in particular do you think was gained?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 02 2013 09:37 GMT
#211
Seeing as oats hasn't responded I don't have much else to go on re:oats but as for risen, who hasn't really posted much of anything because of "playing dota", I find that his initial posts (he didn't understand that the RNG was truly RNG) were reasonable pressure posts from someone who shared his views. However, since then he's been called out but has been seemingly tied up playing games instead of contributing. If a player called me out I'd be wanting to say something as soon as I could and generating discussion, definitely would like to hear more on the current state of things from him though.

slOosh at least started asking questions when he initially joined into the discussion although has not really contributed since then at least he read up to date or so it seems. He's not too into meta but is alright saying that oats' play is just like his meta view of him though which was a little odd. Need to hear more on that side of things.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 02 2013 09:38 GMT
#212
I believe BH's rng post was meant to be what it turned out to be. Discussion starter. It worked. Great. Now lets move on and find scum.

Shit I don't even know what to write... Been so looong.

Oats seem either weird, confused or scummy. Not sure which yet.

On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Stifling discussion is top scum play for calling someone scummy when they are being agressive and shit.
Holyflare is the right lynch!.

The first sentence still doesnt make sense to me after reading it 5 times (Hungover so might be my fault). it also baffles me that he seems so sure about who to lynch so early. There are other examples:
On October 02 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
All those words. That dont mean anything.
Show nested quote +
it's the top scum play to stifle discussion. With his sure stance on me being scum and despite me resonding why I posted what I did is it not he who is in fact stifling the discussion?

I meant saying that someone is stifling discussion is what scum always like to do.
Show nested quote +
The fact that you say everyone else agrees with you in this thread is just testament to the fact that you have put no effort or thought into your stance and are just going with the flow to follow up for an 'easy' lynch.

Everyone else thinks that you are scummy. Therefore I cant do anything more to convince people at this point of time.

COME ON HOLYFLARE. STOP POSTING LONG POSTS. NOT GOOD.

You and BH are probably not on the same scumteam but I have a way more sure read on you than on BH.
BH, is Holyflare a noob or not?

This whole posts is nonsense aswell.

But through all this I somewhat still think he is town... hmm...

HF's rambling about meta and being weak is rubbish. Him jumping the rng wagon, as pointed out by Risen, without any good reason is rubbish. After this, despite that BH think he have been posting better, he havent really done anything. He has sheeping BH and using BH arguments to push oats.

##Vote Holyflare
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 02 2013 09:42 GMT
#213
On October 02 2013 18:34 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 15:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 02 2013 15:20 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 02 2013 15:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 02 2013 15:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Seriously though if the reason I've given for lynching him are normal oats behavior then that's like a policy lynch reason right there. We should do it, it would be awesome.


I know you like your game theory, and technically we have a 2/7 chance (since doc will claim), but the information we get off of people agreeing to a random lynch isn't that telling I don't think. Rather just spark discussion as usual and see what happens.
Despite,(according to database numbers) a random lynch being slightly more effective, if it hits town it probably gets less information than if there are a couple of lynch candidates and they are discussed and votes are moved around.


That's a reasonable thing to say. That being said, the RNG led (and in general it seems, leads) to a good discussion. I don't think things would have played out as they did unless I RNGed this game, and I'm glad I did.


That's fine and I think we have some information that came out of it rather than lurker lynch policy talk which is a dead horse.
But do you plan on hanging on to your rng lynch today unless someone becomes obvious scum? Or do you feel that oats is no longer a random lynch now and you think he's most likely to flip scum at this time, and if that changes you'll change your vote?


What info in particular do you think was gained?


Just the usual really. I didn't mean anything in particular but it >felt< that the starting hours were more productive than usual due to BH's rng lynch suggestion. I can't really quantify it.

What do you think of oats?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 02 2013 09:46 GMT
#214
On October 02 2013 18:38 Dirkzor wrote:
I believe BH's rng post was meant to be what it turned out to be. Discussion starter. It worked. Great. Now lets move on and find scum.

Shit I don't even know what to write... Been so looong.

Oats seem either weird, confused or scummy. Not sure which yet.

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 13:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Stifling discussion is top scum play for calling someone scummy when they are being agressive and shit.
Holyflare is the right lynch!.

The first sentence still doesnt make sense to me after reading it 5 times (Hungover so might be my fault). it also baffles me that he seems so sure about who to lynch so early. There are other examples:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
All those words. That dont mean anything.
it's the top scum play to stifle discussion. With his sure stance on me being scum and despite me resonding why I posted what I did is it not he who is in fact stifling the discussion?

I meant saying that someone is stifling discussion is what scum always like to do.
The fact that you say everyone else agrees with you in this thread is just testament to the fact that you have put no effort or thought into your stance and are just going with the flow to follow up for an 'easy' lynch.

Everyone else thinks that you are scummy. Therefore I cant do anything more to convince people at this point of time.

COME ON HOLYFLARE. STOP POSTING LONG POSTS. NOT GOOD.

You and BH are probably not on the same scumteam but I have a way more sure read on you than on BH.
BH, is Holyflare a noob or not?

This whole posts is nonsense aswell.

But through all this I somewhat still think he is town... hmm...

HF's rambling about meta and being weak is rubbish. Him jumping the rng wagon, as pointed out by Risen, without any good reason is rubbish. After this, despite that BH think he have been posting better, he havent really done anything. He has sheeping BH and using BH arguments to push oats.

##Vote Holyflare


Really? I have plenty of reasons for doing it and I've explained them about a million times now. There is an entirety of posts between my first post and then that are not "rubbish". Despite the fact that I've seemingly used someone's arguements do you not still think the points that have arisen are apt in this context? Surely, in a game with no cop you do your utmost to seem the most towny and discover who is also a townsperson. How do you do that? Asking that person questions, finding connections between that person and others for later, has oats done any of this? No. Has risen done any of that? No. Sheeping a vote and giving weak reasoning yourself is in my opinion poor play, coming to the conclusion that someone is still town after all of the points made and the fact that you think his posts are nonsense is also just more poor decision making.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 02 2013 09:47 GMT
#215
On October 02 2013 18:37 Holyflare wrote:
slOosh at least started asking questions when he initially joined into the discussion although has not really contributed since then at least he read up to date or so it seems. He's not too into meta but is alright saying that oats' play is just like his meta view of him though which was a little odd. Need to hear more on that side of things.


I like this observation :>
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
October 02 2013 09:48 GMT
#216
The first line of your post says that we should move on and find scum but you haven't really contributed anything in accordance to that. Why not? Are you just happy to sit back and follow the herd?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 02 2013 09:48 GMT
#217
##Vote: Dirkzor

Not even read his post voting Holyflare, but I don't really think he should be voting HF right now as his entrance into the thread.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 02 2013 09:55 GMT
#218
Ok now I read it. He provides two quotes as contextual evidence for his non-read on Oats, and none with his scumread on Holyflare. Seems like my vote is quite good.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 02 2013 09:58 GMT
#219
Did you really feel the need to drop a vote before reading marv, were you afraid someone might vote him before you? I don't really understand.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 02 2013 09:59 GMT
#220
I explained why I voted.

Your question is silly.

"yes, I was terrified someone might vote him before me, that's absolutely why I voted him like that"
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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