EPTOn May 13 2013 05:31 ObviousOne wrote:
You say defensive. I say proactive.
You say defensive. I say proactive.
So you are proactively defending yourself before anyone really attacks you. Seems like intrinsic guilt to me.
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DarthPunk
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So you are proactively defending yourself before anyone really attacks you. Seems like intrinsic guilt to me. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On May 13 2013 05:00 DarthPunk wrote: I believe it was optimal for me to claim and prevent cops potentially wasting a check on me when I can just claim and then you all can discuss in the thread what to do. Information denial only assists mafia. I understand that there are different schools of thought about claiming miller. But I am of the school that believes it is optimal to claim miller straight away and then get vigged or something worst case scenario rather than getting checked, wasting that check, going 'oh yeah I'm a miller guise don't lynch me' and then wasting a mislynch. Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that. They only way I would claim miller like this was if I was, in fact, a miller and therefore town. This guy is either town city or... nah fuck it he's telling the truth. | ||
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Promethelax
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Kita: why WoS? | ||
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ObviousOne
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WaveofShadow
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On May 13 2013 05:35 Promethelax wrote: WoS, that is dumb and you know it. Past statistics have nothing to do with this game. Why respond to that accusation which has no content or reasoning? Kita: why WoS? Fight me, bro. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. | ||
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Promethelax
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ObviousOne
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raynpelikoneet
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On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote: Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive? And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Will there be a mafia NK tonight aside from possible power role use? Because if so why are we giving mafia possible targets by talking..? (I guess they could probably knock off known strong players anyway but still.) | ||
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DarthPunk
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On May 13 2013 05:32 Promethelax wrote: It is optimal to claim self aware miller in a set up with known rolls or something like C9++ where it is known how roles are determined. In a closed set-up self aware millers can or cannot claim but a miller claim is a point against someone not for them. I would argue with DP though on the possibility of him claiming miller as scum. Miller is an easy role to claim as scum specifically in a closed set-up and while DP is a good scum player I still find it quite possible he would fake claim the miller role, there is at least one example of scum fake claiming it on this forum (marv in Normal IV) and that was a good mafia player whose fake claim helped his team quite a bit. For the moment DP is an excellent day one policy lynch based on the claim alone in a vacuum I'd say he is more likely scum than town but we have time to figure it out so I'm not too fussed. If anyone claims miller at any point after n0 we should auto-lynch them, if scum wants to fake claim it they had better do it today (or have already done it today). That is actually true that miller is an auto town claim in C9++ or other open set ups but it is still a good town play to claim straight away in my opinion and others. I am not an excellent policy lynch though, I am a bad lynch period. If you want to kill me use a vig shot. Otherwise wait a while and see. Lynching me straight up is just silly. And I would never claim anything day one as scum, let alone somethign as batshit crazy to claim as miller in a closed setup. I might crumb something. My one and only fake claim was basically forced out of me AFTER I crumbed it and AFTER everyone mass claimed and were pressuring me to follow suit. like just apply some thought to claiming miller this early as scum in a game which most likely contains vigilantes there is no follow up or promotion of a mafia agenda by doing this. it is plain suicide. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On May 13 2013 05:39 Promethelax wrote: I've never seen you this be this confrontational before. Pretend like I'm actually curious about your reasoning since my goal is to read your alignment. All I want from you is an answer, why respond to an accusation that has no follow-up? Gotta claim town somehow. | ||
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ObviousOne
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Vivax
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On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive? And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. Yeah makes sense. I would not lynch him so quickly but his miller claim sure deserves extra attention, I won't get him outta my attention span so quickly since that claim and I expect him to show me if he deserves to be treated as real miller. I'd still like if kita went into detail about his WoS scumread. That's unknown stuff we didn't resolve yet. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP? You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. | ||
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chaoser
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can you explain why you said If anyone claims miller at any point after n0 we should auto-lynch them, if scum wants to fake claim it they had better do it today (or have already done it today). what was the purpose of that statement? | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On May 13 2013 05:45 Vivax wrote: Yeah makes sense. I would not lynch him so quickly but his miller claim sure deserves extra attention, I won't get him outta my attention span so quickly since that claim and I expect him to show me if he deserves to be treated as real miller. I'd still like if kita went into detail about his WoS scumread. That's unknown stuff we didn't resolve yet. The fact that you'd call it a scumread at this point in the game is ridiculous to begin with lol, though I must admit I'm curious as to whether he as a real reason for it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote: you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? | ||
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HiroPro
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The post where he backtracks on DarthPunk and says "oh, he's suspicious since he's not here right now" seems out of place and looks more like a post from mafia trying to play both sides of the argument. also, if he doesn't put a lot of stock in early claims, why does he even care that darthpunk isn't around after claiming? | ||
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DarthPunk
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On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? Ah LOL? I just claimed miller and am copping a ton of heat for it obviously. I don't want to get vigged so I am trying to be very clear about why i did what i did. I am trying to establish my innocence. Also half the thread haven't posted yet and you have absolutely fuck all in your filter so why don't you worry about yourself and i'll worry about myself ok? Also telling someone who is already active and posting to start scum hunting doesn't count as scum hunting either  | ||
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