• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:57
CEST 06:57
KST 13:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2025)15Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, GuMiho, Classic, Cure6Code S RO8 Preview: Classic, Reynor, Maru, GuMiho4Code S RO8 Preview: ByuN, Rogue, herO, Cure5[ASL19] Ro4 Preview: Storied Rivals7
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 12-18): Clem sweeps WardiTV May3Code S Season 2 (2025) - Qualifier Results212025 GSL Season 2 (Qualifiers)14Code S Season 1 - Classic & GuMiho advance to RO4 (2025)4[BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET7
StarCraft 2
General
herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2025) Any reason why RuFF's stream is still on sidebar? METATECH RECOVERY PRO should be consulted for hire Power Rank: October 2018 Code S Season 2 (2025) - Qualifier Results
Tourneys
DreamHack Dallas 2025 announced (May 23-25) EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S Season 1 - RO4 and Grand Finals
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat Mutation # 471 Delivery Guaranteed
Brood War
General
Artosis baned on twitch ? who is JiriKara /Cipisek/ from CZ BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React To: Emotional Finalist in Best vs Light Where is effort ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL19] Semifinal B Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
What do you want from future RTS games? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Grand Theft Auto VI Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Books] Wool by Hugh Howey
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Narcissists In Gaming: Why T…
TrAiDoS
Poker
Nebuchad
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12609 users

Newbie Mini Mafia XXXI - Page 11

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 85 Next
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 09:34 GMT
#201
I love this, Cheesecake posted 2 posts and people are expecting me to make a case. LOL. He did nothing to convince me that he is town yet though :/
I agree with the content, but it feels forced, thats all that I think about cheesecake right now. Modkills/replacements should be the LAST thing on your mind in the whole game.
No gg, No skill.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2012 09:42 GMT
#202
If you'd just said you had a scummy feeling from Mr Cheesecake people probably wouldn't be asking you for a case, but when you say "we should lynch him" that's a pretty extreme thing to say without any justification.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 09:45 GMT
#203
yeah that was kinda extreme and was said to provoke a reaction. Which kinda worked :D
Nothing personal Cheesecake, I think you got extremely screwed by misunderstandings the last game
No gg, No skill.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 25 2012 10:15 GMT
#204
The first thing that stuck out to me was Helo just making a couple of short posts then disappearing (to enter again with another contentless post after he was called out for it).

Yamato is making a decent amount of posts with no content and making some weird conclusions, such as.

On November 25 2012 13:51 yamato77 wrote:
If we sheep oats and lynch cheesecake, and he flips town, at least our day 2 lynch is an easy decision.


Which obviously isn't correct. He also seems worried about how he's percieved, asking Aqua about whether he's still uneasy about him. From my experience as scum you usually don't like being in the dark of how others percieve you. Not much to go on so far, but that was my initial reactions to the thread.

About Oat and Cake I'll wait for a while before commenting.

As for me, I have 3 games played on, newbie XXVI-XXVIII. Two times scum, one time town, lost all of them
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 10:18 GMT
#205
Why didnt you play the other newbie games between XXVIII and this one?
Also, welcome to the thread :D
I think that weird conclusions are gonna be the norm with inexperienced players
No gg, No skill.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2012 12:06 GMT
#206
Well, I'll be heading off soon. Like I said, my activity from now on will be somewhat limited. For the coming days I'll probably have time for a quick check around 20:30 GMT (+00:00) and a more substantial amount of time after 07:00 GMT (+00:00).
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 12:12 GMT
#207
I probably cant be around during lynch but I will try to be there a few hours before.
Vote: Cheesecake
I am intensely serious.
Munk-e and Jacob, where did you go?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 12:14 GMT
#208
EBWOP: ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake
No gg, No skill.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 25 2012 12:27 GMT
#209
First off your format for your vote is wrong, secondly saying you are "intensely serious" is not a case on cheesecake. Frankly this is ridiculous and so anti-town so far that if it continues I don't think we should keep you around because this is either scum play or bad town play. The beginning of your filter is all fluff, which isn't that big of a deal since it is the start of the game and I don't really expect anything amazing from anyone, but then you post:
On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him

On November 25 2012 13:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im seriously not sarcastic.
Seriously.
Its a feeling, I cant base it off anything though :/

I already told you before, if you are suspicious of someone you need to make a better post than that, you need to make a case against the person providing reasons for why they are suspicious.

Then there is this:
On November 25 2012 13:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah, also the worst decision to do 1 for 1 trades.
think about it if I'm scum, why would I randomly single out cheesecake? why did I even post? so far this game is so slow and as scum, they want it that way.


Why would you bring up "think about if I was scum", that is not a town mindset. Scum are the ones who would say something like that, all town needs to do is let their actions show that they are being pro-town, and so far you arent.

And then the final straw for me so far is this:
On November 25 2012 18:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah that was kinda extreme and was said to provoke a reaction. Which kinda worked :D
Nothing personal Cheesecake, I think you got extremely screwed by misunderstandings the last game

On November 25 2012 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
I probably cant be around during lynch but I will try to be there a few hours before.
Vote: Cheesecake
I am intensely serious.
Munk-e and Jacob, where did you go?


So you say yeah ok me saying cheese is scum without providing any reasoning is a bit extreme, THEN YOU DO IT ANYWAYS????? This is unacceptable.

I suggest you start making some real cases, untill then:

##vote: Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 12:32 GMT
#210
lol
OMGUS vote me :D
glad you still are a newbie :D
Welcome to the thread by the way
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 12:34 GMT
#211

Then there is this:
On November 25 2012 13:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah, also the worst decision to do 1 for 1 trades.
think about it if I'm scum, why would I randomly single out cheesecake? why did I even post? so far this game is so slow and as scum, they want it that way.


Why would you bring up "think about if I was scum", that is not a town mindset. Scum are the ones who would say something like that, all town needs to do is let their actions show that they are being pro-town, and so far you arent.

You are voting me because you think I am scum right? So showing that scum has no fucking reason to do what I just did is a justifiable defence
No gg, No skill.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 25 2012 12:35 GMT
#212
You are continuing to be post nothing of substance. Shouting "OMGUS" is not a defense of your questionable actions so far because it is neither true or relevant. My issue is with your posting.

I'll again ask that you make a serious case against cheesecake, at this point I think you owe us one.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 25 2012 12:36 GMT
#213
On November 25 2012 19:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why didnt you play the other newbie games between XXVIII and this one?


XXVIII was so taxing and I was really sick of mafia after it. Probably would've played XXIX if I knew I get to play town, but I didn't sign up because I couldn't stomach another game as scum because it fucking sucks.

On November 25 2012 19:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that weird conclusions are gonna be the norm with inexperienced players


Yes, this is true. Saying stupid shit is not a good scum tell, it's usually just a newb tell. Whether you're town or scum you'll obviously be looking NOT to say stupid shit. Besides scum will usually be more careful about what they say, so actually I take back that point.

The players I intuitively feel are scummy, Helo and Yamato, could be struggling newbie town. My early d1 reads rarely pan out very well (the one exception I can come to think of is CC from last game). I think this a common newbie game syndrome, where a lot of people have misconceptions of what is actually scummy play.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 25 2012 12:36 GMT
#214
Your actions thus far are scummy, your vote on cheese is complete crap and you refuse to justify or explain it.
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 25 2012 12:37 GMT
#215
On November 25 2012 14:57 Aquanim wrote:
Sure, he's made all of four five posts so far so don't expect anything insightful.

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 14:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 25 2012 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes totally agree with Cheesecake.
only 5/9 are here, where are the rest


On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him


I really don't understand where your trepidations are coming from. You agree with me, but get scummy feelings from me?


I'm not liking this. In the first quote Cheesecake took, Oatsmaster is agreeing with this post:

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 11:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads.


Pretty obvious statement if you ask me. We just need to possess the confidence to scumhunt effectively. There is a 48 hour window between now and lynch time, so there is no reason anyone should be lurking. If we have to lynch a lurker, meh, but I'd much rather have this "small sample size" inflated within D1 so we aren't forced down the coin flip road.

Anyone else around?


which is pretty generically town-speech stuff from Mr. Cheesecake. I could well see Oatsmaster agreeing with the body of this message, BUT not liking the fact that Cheesecake is making speeches rather than poking people and looking for scum. (I'm taking a wild guess at what Oatsmaster's feeling was based on here.)

And apart from Cheesecake's questions in his first post and contentless sniping at Oatsmaster since that's all there is.


I don't really understand this post. What read did you end up with on CC and why?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 12:40 GMT
#216
Kickstart, I am saying you OMGUS voted me. Which you did.
I would love to make a case on Cheesecake if he posted more than 10 posts...
My vote in cheese is based on FEELING. Your vote on me is because you think that my vote is bullshit. Therefore, you OMGUS me :l
No gg, No skill.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 25 2012 12:41 GMT
#217
Hmm, Oats has been very out of the ordinary. So out of the ordinary I would almost pardon him if it wasn't for him being the only one we can have anything on. He is however getting the conversation going. (still gonna watch him like a hawk though) Just one thing I want clarification on though.

On November 25 2012 17:20 Kickstart wrote:

If you really have a scum read on Mr.Cheesecake then you need to make a case on him that tries to persuade us all. Posting "I have a feeling he is scum" is not going to make anyone throw their vote on him. Would you maybe expand a bit on why you think he is suspicious or if you still do?


Mainly the "or if you still do" you allowed him to backtrack something a nervous town might take advantage of if they feel it might put them in a bad situation. (one thing is for sure oats isn't nervous lol) However I am mainly interested in it as it doesn't appear to be (although I don't know your meta (haven't looked at it yes) something a town wouldn't say (giving all the options[admittedly I tend to do this for everything though]) so just curious on that particular wording. It came up in conjunction with your rant. Honestly I think oats is doing good by promoting conversation but he might have hit a sore spot.

tl;dr any particular reason for creating a backout opportunity for him?

Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 12:42 GMT
#218
Lol Jacob, out of the ordinary? This is my 2nd game :D lol
No gg, No skill.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 25 2012 12:43 GMT
#219
Yeah out of the ordinary for normal people
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 25 2012 12:45 GMT
#220
What do you think of Kickstart's vote on me?
No gg, No skill.
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 85 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
2025 GSL S1 - Ro8 Group B
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 241
Ketroc 41
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 3478
Icarus 8
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm99
League of Legends
JimRising 768
Counter-Strike
Fnx 3242
Stewie2K633
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King59
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor137
Other Games
tarik_tv11125
summit1g10638
C9.Mang0629
hungrybox396
Maynarde201
PartinGtheBigBoy133
ToD71
Trikslyr56
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1109
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH292
• practicex 32
• Sammyuel 9
• Kozan
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift3459
• Lourlo1024
• Rush902
• Stunt313
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 3m
Replay Cast
19h 3m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
Road to EWC
1d 10h
Replay Cast
2 days
SC Evo League
2 days
Road to EWC
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
BeSt vs Soulkey
Road to EWC
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
[ Show More ]
SOOP
5 days
NightMare vs Wayne
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL Code S
6 days
Cure vs Zoun
Solar vs Creator
The PondCast
6 days
Online Event
6 days
Clem vs ShoWTimE
herO vs MaxPax
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-05-16
2025 GSL S1
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
ASL Season 19
YSL S1
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
China & Korea Top Challenge
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Heroes 10 EU
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

Rose Open S1
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
DreamHack Dallas 2025
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.