EPTId love to see where the discussion goes over the next few hour because i'm not convinced on anyone as of yet.
We need some new POI.
Newbie Mini Mafia XXV - Page 10
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WeeTee
Australia24 Posts
Id love to see where the discussion goes over the next few hour because i'm not convinced on anyone as of yet. We need some new POI. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 24 2012 15:27 Alsn wrote: I do not mean that my suspicion against kush has gone away, I am still not satisfied with his defense against my concerns about his posting. What I mean is that it is harmful for town if we keep arguing back and forth about kush and do not discuss anyone else. This because if it turns out that noone else is scummy, and we lynch him and he turns out to be town and just wasnt defending himself very well, we will be back at square one, except with 5 town against 2 scum(scum will undoubtely kill a townie during night 1). If at that point the only thing we have done is attack someone that had a hard time defending himself, we would have almost no usable information at all to try and find out who is scum and who isnt. Thus, I just want us to all agree that kush needs to get his act together but that we need to start talking about something/someone else too. This is quite true. Kush sucks up more town energy than he provides. He'd be an ideal target for a vigi shot but not one town should waste time trying to lynch over and above all other lynch candidates. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
According to OP, it's just cop + JK that are possible. | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
On August 24 2012 15:35 WeeTee wrote:Still I find it amazing how instead of just answering a question we need to nit pick. WeeTee, I think you are misunderstanding a major point here. Pointing out inconsistencies in arguments is the name of the game(or one of the names anyway). Without being allowed to do so, noone can be held accountable for anything. It is your own responsibility that your posts be clear, clean and unambigous such that there are no misunderstandings. More importantly, it is in the towns best interest that you take great care that your arguments are strong and valid. Without it, you will only spread confusion which is most definitely good for scum.Super encouraging. So just like I tried to articulate towards kush, you need to start considering your words better, without that being an excuse to post less. Without everyone trying their damndest to form clear and concise arguments, it will be very easy for scum to blend in. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 24 2012 15:41 Dandel Ion wrote: There are no Vigis though? According to OP, it's just cop + JK that are possible. Oh :S my bad then. I'm going to say we should just do one of two things: 1) We collectively decide he's town and ignore him as a major target for the remainder of D1, move the discussion onto other folks 2) We lynch him first and get him out of the way Let's figure this out fast, before we use up the rest of D1 just talking about him. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 24 2012 15:35 WeeTee wrote: I see my mistake in saying "the only one that chirped up", which thrawn just pointed out. please disregard that comment. .... I don't much care if you think I'm a dick for saying this, but please think about your posts BEFORE you post them. Going all "woe is me" and lamenting is not going to change your filter. For the record, I don't really see what you said as a scumslip right now, and I have no intentions of tunneling an argument for all of day 1 again + Show Spoiler + see NMM XXIII if you want to know what I mean. I argued endlessly with a guy that took my critizism as a personal attack and we ended up OMGUS'ing each other endlessly. I'm gonna let your poor wording rest for now, since I don't want to argue with somebody I don't have a good scumread on. That doesn't help anybody. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On August 24 2012 15:35 WeeTee wrote: Leaders be leaders. @dandel I'm not interested in your negativity. I'm simply making my point. My first quote had my message "I did however notice that Alsn did put a FOS on Kush; to me this seems like Alsn nibbled at the bait, sensing his opportunity to take a weak player down." I see my mistake in saying "the only one that chirped up", which thrawn just pointed out. please disregard that comment. Still I find it amazing how instead of just answering a question we need to nit pick. Super encouraging. You say it was a mistake for accusing Alsn of being "the only one that chirped up," so I guess we have to leave it at that. But we don't disregard comments. Once again: On August 24 2012 15:20 thrawn2112 wrote: What is your read on lvdr? | ||
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WeeTee
Australia24 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 24 2012 17:54 kushm4sta wrote: Wow guys everyone wants to kill me because I'm annoying or something and everyone hates me?? Reading this thread makes me want to cry. Honestly I will try harder but if you kill me let me just say that would be a huge mistake beacuse I am no ordinary townsperson. I am the jailkeeper so yeah you really shouldn't kill me. Why are you claiming blue already? It's a bit early, especially considering nobody actually voted for you yet. Several people have also just recently expressed that it would most likely be better to look at other people for the time being. Please explain to me why you claimed now. Because sadly, right now I'm not inclined to believe you. Also, in claims it usually helps believability to have a breadcrumb. Did you make one? | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Also, PM me or Keir if you still need an Obs QT link. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
1) Lvdr He goes into the thread, asks questions to generate discussion, accuses someone of fluff, and then leaves after FoSing the fluffy poster (mkfuba) and the obvious lynch (kush). This behavior is inconsistent: why push so hard for scumhunting and activity, but then disappear (and leave himself plenty of outs) once the shooting starts? Answer: because, if he is scum, this is exactly what he wants to do: stir up discussion, and then be the second or third person to hop on a mislynch wagon. On top of that, I know what he's capable of in terms of scumhunting and making votes based on reasoned cases. So far, he hasn't lived up to that. Because of both reasons, FoS Lvdr 2) Kush His JK claim doesn't add up. There's no breadcrumb involved at all. There are now two possibilities: a) He's JK and he honestly is scared that town is going to mislynch him. In this case, why claim so quickly, instead of dropping a breadcrumb with that post and then claiming later? b) He's scum who knows he's going to get lynched anyhow, and is trying to bait the real JK into counter-claiming to at least take down a blue with him. As far as I'm concerned, option b) is more likely, so If you are the real JK please do not counter-claim. We had a similar blatant fakeclaim in XXII, and there the real doctor didn't counter-claim and eventually used the fakeclaim to figure out the other 2 scum. Furthermore, in addition to the likely fakeclaim, Kush hasn't used his posts to make a single case against anyone, in spite of people repeatedly asking him to do that. That's icing on the cake. ## Vote KushM4sta | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
@kush If you are town, stop the current path you're going down. You've crossed over from overly-defensive into anti-town defensive play. If you're town, PM marv and get some help. I'm not voting for you yet, and I bet others aren't going to vote for you just yet either. You can pull yourself out of this hole you've dug, but you need to change your methods. Ask marv about any of the things you've done that we've jumped down your throat for and find out why we reacted that way. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 25 2012 01:43 mkfuba07 wrote: I'll be honest here and say that I'm actually inclined to believe kush. His play has been consistently bad, while I feel a newbie scum would have been far more variant. He would also have another person to discuss his play with, instead of having to hear from us how poorly he's been playing. He seems more 'alone' than a scum would be, if that makes sense. @kush If you are town, stop the current path you're going down. You've crossed over from overly-defensive into anti-town defensive play. If you're town, PM marv and get some help. I'm not voting for you yet, and I bet others aren't going to vote for you just yet either. You can pull yourself out of this hole you've dug, but you need to change your methods. Ask marv about any of the things you've done that we've jumped down your throat for and find out why we reacted that way. What's your top scumread then? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 25 2012 01:43 mkfuba07 wrote: I'll be honest here and say that I'm actually inclined to believe kush. His play has been consistently bad, while I feel a newbie scum would have been far more variant. He would also have another person to discuss his play with, instead of having to hear from us how poorly he's been playing. He seems more 'alone' than a scum would be, if that makes sense. That actually is a decent point. But I'm not so sure that him being "alone" is necessarily a town tell either, the way his case was going for the most part whould most likely discourage scum-partners to defend him too much - it's even more probable that he is subtly bussing him, rather than defending. But this is all pretty WIFOM. As it stands, your point, while a good one, looks like a straight-up null-tell to me. But I understand if you see it as a town-tell.. I also think that kush was playing "bad town" rather than scum for the most part. But I will reserve judgement on him, no matter which way, until he explains why he was claiming JK there. I really don't get it, and as I said, it's not very believable imo. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On August 24 2012 17:54 kushm4sta wrote: Wow guys everyone wants to kill me because I'm annoying or something and everyone hates me?? Reading this thread makes me want to cry. Honestly I will try harder but if you kill me let me just say that would be a huge mistake beacuse I am no ordinary townsperson. I am the jailkeeper so yeah you really shouldn't kill me. For now I'm going to ignore the jailkeeper claim, because it fits the idea of you being town and pissed that everyone is jumping all over you and you don't know what to do and are claiming JK from desperation. It also fits your agenda if you are mafia and trying to scare people into not voting for you. Shady thinks that the 2nd option is more likely I don't have a reason to believe one or the other. You're gonna have to show that you're town by giving some reads with well explained thought processes. So on that point, who do you think is scum and why? Shady, you put an FOS on lvdr so that topic's gonna be my next post. Also WeeTee, I asked you for your read on lvdr because I think it's relevant to your post about Alsn. This is the 4th time I've asked you for that read and you've posted in the thread 4 times since I originally asked for it. Can you please provide it? | ||
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