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GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
July 16 2012 05:03 GMT
#181
On July 16 2012 14:01 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 13:43 Q-bert-Z wrote:
On July 16 2012 13:42 Chezinu wrote:
[image loading]

Image taken from http://pcpenterprises.net


PCP Enterprise... real or fake? That is for you to decided... What exactly do they do? horses? animal health? real estate? what service and products do they provide? Let the game begin...

Dude, the game began the moment you signed up.


aww, why thank you!

Ok, guys... we needs to get this game going with flamewheel or not! (and without protact if necessary!). Let us rise up and form this company of ours! We don't need to be told what to do for I can tell you! Let's get organized. First off, we need a head count for active employees. The most dedicated of the bunch shall be the most vigilant. So, who is awake? Respond if you are here!


Hi chez. I'm ready to give this game a shot.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 05:03 GMT
#182
Chezinu, what is the significance of the boats? In my experience yachts are always used to launder money and ship pure cocaine.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
July 16 2012 05:05 GMT
#183
On July 16 2012 14:03 Probulous wrote:
Chezinu, what is the significance of the boats? In my experience yachts are always used to launder money and ship pure cocaine.

What are you talking about??? the ships are not shipping pcp!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
July 16 2012 05:05 GMT
#184
I'm mean ummm cocaine!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
July 16 2012 05:06 GMT
#185
Greetings fellow PCP enterprise employees,

My name is Mr. Walton. I am here today to instruct you in this intensive communication training program. As you have already fully grasp the chain of command communication system that has been established in this company for over a century, it is now time for you along with your fellow comrades to make further progress. It is time to talk with your co-workers face to face. I know it may seem tribal, but studies have shown that communication that coincides with physical contact is highly impactful in comparison to sending messages via the System.

So please, say Hello.

Do not be shy. I will stand here patiently until you begin to speak. Pretend as if I am not present in the room, until I correct and critique your interactions, of course.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 05:13 GMT
#186
On July 16 2012 14:05 Chezinu wrote:
I'm mean ummm cocaine!


So we're not expanding our product line then?

Hmmm, this corporate stratey needs more cross-functional synergy. For the sake of compliance and maximising our opportunities, a feedback system of transparency is needed. That being said to gain traction we need to double down on incentivising our stakeholders. A dynamic process of focusing on our core competencies where we drill down to the point of no return, will calibrate our business to exceed partner expectations.

Remember we can only succeed if we work together!
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 16 2012 05:14 GMT
#187
Yay its starting, well no day post but I got my PM. I am assuming that this is a day start so deadline in ~48 hours. Going to bed now see you tomorrow morning fellow employees, I feel like we are all going to need to put in some overtime this week...
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 05:16 GMT
#188
Have we really started? As in there will be no day post.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 05:26:45
July 16 2012 05:24 GMT
#189
Day 1

[image loading]



On a dark and stormy night, the CEO gathered with his closest advisors in a pitch black room. He layed out a large book of rules on the table and unraveled a portrait.

"Gentleman," he intoned, "we are on the verge of creating history. We have dominated nearby towns with our skilled sets of rules and have stamped our authority on many subjects. Once we submit Liquidia, nothing will stand in our way to create a glorious empire. On the eve of our finest hour, let me regale you fine folk with a tale of our glorious predecessor, General Friedrich Buxhowden of the Russian Army."

"In 1805, the Emperor Napoleon met the Russian and Austrian Army on the fields of Austerlitz. Buxhowden opposed them, commanding the major strength of the allies. Unfortunately, Buxhowden was drunk during the battle and his command grossly incompetent. Consequently, Napoleon won his greatest victory. However, three years later Buxhowden had risen up to the supreme commander of the Russian Army. How did he do it, you ask?

Quite simple, instead of leading and reorganizing his men after the battle, he immediately sent out his post action report, blaming the other commanders. His haste ensured that the Russian Emperor read his report first. He found a scapegoat in the French turncoat Langeron, who performed solidly but quietly, and found other disgraced commanders who would support the fable that Langeron failed the Empire. Langeron was dismissed in disgrace shortly thereafter. Despite his incompetence in the field, Buxhowden was promoted. That, my friends, is the power of a true bureaucrat. He covered his butt first, and did his job second."

"Let us toast to our idol!" The Chairman of the Board wheezed.
"For Buxhowden! For Bureaucracy! For the jubjubs!" The Vice President of Marketing chanted.


Day 1 ends at midnight CDT (~48 hours from now). Night 1 will be shortened by 5 hours so we can get to a more euro-friendly deadline. Please vote both in this thread and in the main thread.

As a reminder, spam and BM will not be tolerated. If you have any questions if a behavior is acceptable, feel free to PM me. If you have complaints about other players' behavior, feel free to PM me about that too.
And so, we find the Sublime.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 05:28 GMT
#190
ROFL, prescience is mine

So introductions then. Hi I am Probulous. Who are you?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
July 16 2012 05:39 GMT
#191
On July 16 2012 14:24 Protactinium wrote:
As a reminder, spam and BM will not be tolerated. If you have any questions if a behavior is acceptable, feel free to PM me. If you have complaints about other players' behavior, feel free to PM me about that too.
[/blue][/b]


8. Bill Murray



oh shit!

btw guys I'm town.

I'll be back at a more decent hour.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 05:49 GMT
#192
Wow, that was useful...

Ok since no-one seems to want to actually participate, here are some thoughts of mine of the setup.

Aside from trying to kill town, the only thing that binds mafia as a team is their strategy dictated from above. From my reading this is sent during the night. Thus day 2 is going to be crucial. We should be aware of people who change reads for bad reasons or suddenly become active. Basically anyone who suddenly gains direction overnight will be a good target to poke. As for Day 1, I think participation and clarity will be extra useful because mafia now know that they are setting themselves up for difficulties in Day 2 if they pick targets Day 1. People with clear targets are going to have to work harder to change them if a different CEO strategy comes in.

Thoughts?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 16 2012 06:09 GMT
#193
Walton, are you the Batman?

Rest of you: Mafia have an advantage in numbers. We need to find a way to use this against them. They also have a disadvantage in communication, and we need to make sure we exploit that as much as possible.

A few ideas coming to mind: Large numbers will make it slightly easier to lynch a mafia, as long as we can keep communication to a minimum with them. They can only send one message a day, so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.

Remember, they can't organize and respond to lynches effectively like a normal mafia.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 06:12 GMT
#194
Hi Q-bert-Z

You seem to be in a similar frame of mind as me. Thoughts on my post? When you say
so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.


What exactly do you mean?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
July 16 2012 06:16 GMT
#195
##Vote EchelonTee

I wonder if this works...

On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:
When you say
Show nested quote +
so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.


What exactly do you mean?


Chaos

in order of course...

On July 16 2012 15:09 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Walton, are you the Batman?


No, I'm a fellow employee whom's job is to instruct you on your articulation skills. The content of the matter is quite meaningless to me. I just need to make sure to follow orders first and complete my job second.


lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
July 16 2012 06:20 GMT
#196
Call me Unizehc... Walton Unizehc...*pulls fake face off* [image loading]
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 06:25 GMT
#197
On July 16 2012 15:16 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote EchelonTee

I wonder if this works...

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:
When you say
so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.


What exactly do you mean?


Chaos


Which is exactly what we don't want. Mafia are going to be all over the place Day 1, they are in the same boat as us right now. But tomorrow they will have a goal that they can work towards. The only way we can counteract that is by holding people accountable to their Day 1 reads. If someone suddenly changes their read for no reason, it will look even more suspicious than usual.

Why would a chaotic environment help? Surely the opposite, where people are clear about who they think is scum and why, is much better for finding inconsistencies.

Qbert, can you explain your thoughts please?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
July 16 2012 06:32 GMT
#198
@Prob: I think that's Chezinu you got quoted there.

In any case, in this setup it seems pretty straightforwards to me. Analyze like normal, hold people to their views like normal, look for weird unsubstantiated cases like normal. There's more scum and they're less organized, but I don't see why we need to do our D1 or D2 anything different than what we typically do. Just keep an eye open for people doing shit without legit town motives and you're good to go as always.

@Chezinu: Chaos bad

##vote: Chezinu
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
July 16 2012 06:33 GMT
#199
On July 16 2012 15:25 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:16 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote EchelonTee

I wonder if this works...

On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:
When you say
so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.


What exactly do you mean?


Chaos


they are in the same boat as us right now.


uhz they are.. yeah... what if they blame us for the PCP??? Throw it over board now!!!


On July 16 2012 15:25 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:16 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote EchelonTee

I wonder if this works...

On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:
When you say
so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.


What exactly do you mean?


Chaos


Why would a chaotic environment help? Surely the opposite, where people are clear about who they think is scum and why, is much better for finding inconsistencies.

Qbert, can you explain your thoughts please?


Not pure Chaos... seemingly chaotic.. chaos for the mafia but order for the town. finding the right balance is quite an art form. You see... there really is no chaos.... it's just a very very complex event that can't be comprehended easily. The trick is to learn complex order so that the illusion of chaos is eliminated. let me give you an illustration to portray my point.. Let's discuss gray issues.. some people believe they exist and that not everything is black and white. Well, I say it's their perception that need some tinkering.

[image loading]


Ctrl+Scroll to find the answer you are looking for..
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
July 16 2012 06:38 GMT
#200
You sound like one of those new age doctor people who don't know what they're talking about.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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