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On February 27 2012 02:32 ghost_403 wrote:
@alderan I really don't see any time where it would be advantageous to the town to not lynch. The town should first be lynching scum. If we can't find scum, we should instead lynch people who are not useful to the town. Lurkers fit the second criteria perfectly. By lurking, you are providing cover for the scum to hide, which is in every case bad for the town.
@fourface That's not how you apply pressure on someone to post. This is how you apply pressure on someone to post.
##vote JekyllAndHyde
To Ghost and fourface, what is your reasoning for pressuring JekyllAndHyde specifically? There's plenty of other non-posters, or people posting nothing but 1-2 sentence fluff posts. Any specific reason for Jekyll?
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@Janaan Nope. I would love to start lynching into the other non-posters and fluffy posters as well, but alas, I have only one vote. Although, I would expect more posting from a hydra. It seems between the two of them that at least one could post on here "Don't lynch me".
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On February 27 2012 04:43 ghost_403 wrote:
@Janaan Nope. I would love to start lynching into the other non-posters and fluffy posters as well, but alas, I have only one vote. Although, I would expect more posting from a hydra. It seems between the two of them that at least one could post on here "Don't lynch me".
What's a hydra?
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hydra=two people playing on a single account.
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On February 27 2012 04:45 Janaan wrote:
hydra=two people playing on a single account.
We have two people playing on the same account? What?
Why do we allow this?
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I'm back! Going to be reading to catch up and posting soon.
But first...
On February 27 2012 04:52 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 04:45 Janaan wrote:
hydra=two people playing on a single account. We have two people playing on the same account? What? Why do we allow this?
Possibly since it's a newbie game and probably isn't the most serious or rigid of games. Maybe the new player isn't completely comfortable playing solo yet? No idea. Getting more people into the game as a whole is very nice to have though.
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Hydras are fairly common if players can't committ to being able to play the game full-time. There's actually two in this game, JekyllAndHyde and k2HD. As long as they sign the post with which one of them is doing the posting and we can hold them accountable, it's not really a big deal.
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NightFury pretty much has the right of it regarding hydras. I think hydras first evolved from a pairing of an experienced player-coach and a newer player posting on the same account. While they often are still used for that purpose, to help newer players learn the ropes not completely on their own, they're also allowed if two players are very interested in playing a game but are worried they won't have time to post every day. I do prefer to minimize the number of hydras in a game, but in a newbie game, it definitely is good to get as many new people involved as we can.
Edit: Janaan is right too.  Thanks to both of you for answering Steveling's question so well.
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On February 27 2012 04:56 NightFury wrote:I'm back! Going to be reading to catch up and posting soon. But first... Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 04:52 Steveling wrote:On February 27 2012 04:45 Janaan wrote:
hydra=two people playing on a single account. We have two people playing on the same account? What? Why do we allow this? Possibly since it's a newbie game and probably isn't the most serious or rigid of games. Maybe the new player isn't completely comfortable playing solo yet? No idea. Getting more people into the game as a whole is very nice to have though.
On February 27 2012 05:00 Janaan wrote:
Hydras are fairly common if players can't committ to being able to play the game full-time. There's actually two in this game, JekyllAndHyde and k2HD. As long as they sign the post with which one of them is doing the posting and we can hold them accountable, it's not really a big deal.
It's basically a combination of these factors. The point of these newbie games is to get as many people interested in playing as possible. Also the idea of playing can be intimidating, and having a friend to work with can add confidence. But most importantly, it allows players who are otherwise too busy to play to still get a taste for the games. And it isn't like these players really get a competitive advantage in a newbie game.
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##vote phagga
We should probably spread out our votes, don't need two people on one lurker yet imo.
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On February 27 2012 04:36 Steveling wrote:
Well not much to be said.
Another typical newbie day one, xDDD.
Would you like me to make another poll XD
any questions anyone?
(Oh and alderaan, earlier I meant that each day we should decided on how to change the way we chose to run things the previous day, as in will stick to the decisions we make right now until the vote, but depending on how the vote goes we can adapt at night to find what works best, that way we can organized but not bound by our own rules.
So the decisions we make should have semi permanence but can be changed at night if they are found to not be useful. Also if the situation calls for it we can of course be flexible, but we do need some semblance of organization if only for the sake of practicing consensus building.)
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I knew this was going to be fun. Had a LOL moment already; gumshoe says "Glad to have you on our side Alderaan ( : as for absolutes do you mind making decisions like that on a day to day basis?"
and Alderan is like: "What do you mean?"
Seriously wtf did you mean bro?
Anyway I am disapoint about Steveling not reading this thread from start to finish. If he would have realized what a hydra is (i didn't know either until i did read .. THE WHOLE .. thread from START 2 FINISH and my eyes are still functioning properly) (DO THIS NOW if you haven't already GOOGG we'll be waiting THANK YOU!)
Also certain circumstances made it so that I already have an idea of a case bait set up. The trap is up and running as we speak. At this point I can only say that there's an elephant in the room and whether people see it or not, mention it or not will give a mass check on all
@Janaan why JekyllAndHyde and not some other lurker? I don't know, lynch me
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sniped by gumshoe but i still don't know what you mean and why you talk like the riddler
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Okay!
I propose that we resolve the most pressing issues today and worry about the less vital ones for night 1 if needed. It seems like the lynch or no-lynch day 1 is the most pressing issue at hand. I'm beginning to think that a time based voting system won't be critical on day 1 if we can all agree to a specific day 1 strategy. This way we can focus on the task at hand and get good discussion and worry about the finer details of other issues during the night so we can all be ready for day 2.
It appears, in general, that the consensus for lynching a lurker for day 1 is acceptable. Looking at risk/reward - lynching a mafia on day 1 has great rewards whereas lynching a lurker townie isn't the biggest loss (still a loss nonetheless). Therefore, I'm still on board for no no-lynch day 1 and going after a lurker.
I propose we set a soft deadline today for confirming a lurker target. The game has been going for less than 24 hours and I know people's weekends can be a bit random when it comes to availability. I think, at most, we should give a full in-game 24 hours to at least post a) anything and b) some form of contribution. Once again, great for getting discussion rolling and looking at how people interact with each other. In the event everyone is present and participating, we can have a full discussion on how we handle day 1 as well.
While this can be discussed later on if needed, I am still a fan of one or two stage soft deadline voting. I know there are caveats, but I personally think everyone should have some responsibility in the game. It'll keep players active which is always great. Janaan, I know you mentioned that a second deadline may cause chaos is there is a bandwagon for not following the system. But if we can get everyone to agree to the system, it will be everyone's responsibility to follow it and they will be responsible for their own actions should they break it. If people are going to be busy (which is completely valid), they should at least inform everyone in advance. I would prefer people communicating with everyone rather than just falling off the face of the planet (although shit does happen which can be unfortunate).
Thoughts/Opinions?
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On February 27 2012 05:26 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 04:36 Steveling wrote:
Well not much to be said.
Another typical newbie day one, xDDD. Would you like me to make another poll XD any questions anyone?
Haha, yeah, a poll would be great, why don't we get started on that right away  (not really....)
The problem is no one really seems to want to talk, and asking general questions about the game, lynching lurkers, early deadlines, etc can only get us so far. I'm not sure how best to proceed right now to get everyone talking.
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On February 27 2012 05:32 FourFace wrote:
I knew this was going to be fun. Had a LOL moment already; gumshoe says "Glad to have you on our side Alderaan ( : as for absolutes do you mind making decisions like that on a day to day basis?"
and Alderan is like: "What do you mean?"
Seriously wtf did you mean bro?
Anyway I am disapoint about Steveling not reading this thread from start to finish. If he would have realized what a hydra is (i didn't know either until i did read .. THE WHOLE .. thread from START 2 FINISH and my eyes are still functioning properly) (DO THIS NOW if you haven't already GOOGG we'll be waiting THANK YOU!)
Also certain circumstances made it so that I already have an idea of a case bait set up. The trap is up and running as we speak. At this point I can only say that there's an elephant in the room and whether people see it or not, mention it or not will give a mass check on all
@Janaan why JekyllAndHyde and not some other lurker? I don't know, lynch me
four face look up
(above your post, your insult timing was just a second late)
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Also, I'm off to go make myself lunch and some other things! Be back in about an hour or less.
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On February 27 2012 05:32 FourFace wrote:
@Janaan why JekyllAndHyde and not some other lurker? I don't know, lynch me
Not an attack, I was just wondering if there was a certain reason why you picked him. If not, fine.
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On February 27 2012 05:34 NightFury wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Okay!
I propose that we resolve the most pressing issues today and worry about the less vital ones for night 1 if needed. It seems like the lynch or no-lynch day 1 is the most pressing issue at hand. I'm beginning to think that a time based voting system won't be critical on day 1 if we can all agree to a specific day 1 strategy. This way we can focus on the task at hand and get good discussion and worry about the finer details of other issues during the night so we can all be ready for day 2.
It appears, in general, that the consensus for lynching a lurker for day 1 is acceptable. Looking at risk/reward - lynching a mafia on day 1 has great rewards whereas lynching a lurker townie isn't the biggest loss (still a loss nonetheless). Therefore, I'm still on board for no no-lynch day 1 and going after a lurker.
I propose we set a soft deadline today for confirming a lurker target. The game has been going for less than 24 hours and I know people's weekends can be a bit random when it comes to availability. I think, at most, we should give a full in-game 24 hours to at least post a) anything and b) some form of contribution. Once again, great for getting discussion rolling and looking at how people interact with each other. In the event everyone is present and participating, we can have a full discussion on how we handle day 1 as well.
While this can be discussed later on if needed, I am still a fan of one or two stage soft deadline voting. I know there are caveats, but I personally think everyone should have some responsibility in the game. It'll keep players active which is always great. Janaan, I know you mentioned that a second deadline may cause chaos is there is a bandwagon for not following the system. But if we can get everyone to agree to the system, it will be everyone's responsibility to follow it and they will be responsible for their own actions should they break it. If people are going to be busy (which is completely valid), they should at least inform everyone in advance. I would prefer people communicating with everyone rather than just falling off the face of the planet (although shit does happen which can be unfortunate).
Thoughts/Opinions?
I think I've already made my position clear on this. I also think that setting any kind of deadline 24 hours before the actual vote deadline is too soon. As already stated, I'm fine with somewhere around 8-12 hours before, but any earlier, any vote we end up agreeing on, especially if it's a lurker lynch, is bound to change.
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Yo how come voting deadline is in 6 hours? Is Day[1] only 24 hours long or is it like 24 hours -> vote deadline -> 24 hours -> night
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