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Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
May 31 2011 08:47 GMT
#2601
Also, it looks like these days IdrA doesn't even get practice from the ladder from all the trolls and amateur players since he seems to stomp them so hard lol, it has to suck dearly.
"So I turned the lights off at night and practiced by myself"
SundeR.
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-31 08:51:45
May 31 2011 08:49 GMT
#2602
On May 31 2011 17:45 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 17:29 SundeR. wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:28 iCanada wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:18 OneOther wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:14 hunts wrote:
Well for one by turning on destinys stream you could hear idras msuic in the background, and hear commercials in the background at the same time idra gets out of a game and starts a commercial, it's the same commercial. Is that enough proof for you?

Wait so how does Destiny (possibly) watching IdrA's stream mean that Minigun's cheating while actually playing IdrA? I think you guys should be more careful before you accuse people of cheating because that's always a serious thing no matter the circumstance - and a lot of people would lose their respect for these guys if that were the case. You shouldn't throw out accusations based on unsubstantial reasoning


Exactly. You have no proof. So Destiny was watching IdrA's stream while IdrA played Minigun...

How does that mean they cheated? Having the ability to cheat doesn't mean you cheated. Imagine if any time you took a test and the person beside you had their answers out in the open your teacher jumped straight too "ZOMG YOU CHEATED! ZEWRO FOR YOUZ!!!!!!"

If they were cheating, wouldn't Destiny have been prepared for his Roach allin? Wouldn't CatZ know that IdrA was prepared for his roach allin?

Being a fan of all parties involved, I just can't see how you can come out and say they are cheating. There is absolutely no proof.


IdrA was not prepared for CatZ' roach all-in. He threw spines down at the very last second and they weren't even ready until CatZ did the scrubby mistake of running past them into his main.


How was he not prepared? He had two spines up by the time CatZ roaches got their, and just about as many roaches. I dunno about you, but I'd call that being prepared. IdrA crushed the push, it wasn't close.

o.O


He saw the roaches and immediately threw down 3-4, taking the total up to about 5 spines. CatZ ran up, there was one spine crawler finished with 4 morphing. CatZ ran past them all before they finished. IdrA even had time to cancel one or two of them when CatZ was harassing drones in his main.

This is on Shakuras by the way, and if IdrA has time to cancel spines when CatZ ran ALL the way across Shakuras, scuffled at the ramp and then ran all the way to his drone line, he was not prepared.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 31 2011 08:50 GMT
#2603
On May 31 2011 17:47 Sephy69 wrote:
Also, it looks like these days IdrA doesn't even get practice from the ladder from all the trolls and amateur players since he seems to stomp them so hard lol, it has to suck dearly.


Idra doesn't play ladder for practice as he has said in podcasts and stuff repeatedly. He just plays to stream and a ton of people enjoy watching his stream
When I think of something else, something will go here
Andorra
Profile Joined May 2011
Andorra64 Posts
May 31 2011 08:51 GMT
#2604
On May 31 2011 17:47 Sephy69 wrote:
Also, it looks like these days IdrA doesn't even get practice from the ladder from all the trolls and amateur players since he seems to stomp them so hard lol, it has to suck dearly.


yeah he really stompned minigun hard..
Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
May 31 2011 08:58 GMT
#2605
On May 31 2011 17:51 Andorra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 17:47 Sephy69 wrote:
Also, it looks like these days IdrA doesn't even get practice from the ladder from all the trolls and amateur players since he seems to stomp them so hard lol, it has to suck dearly.


yeah he really stompned minigun hard..

Not sure if you're sarcastic here, but my comment doesn't mean he stomps ALL players come on now, that's obvious. Also the comment above you I didn't see that podcast thanks for that.
"So I turned the lights off at night and practiced by myself"
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
May 31 2011 08:59 GMT
#2606
i wish idra would show more respect to Minigun... minigun was just stomping him and he just flames him.
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-31 09:07:11
May 31 2011 09:05 GMT
#2607
On May 31 2011 17:59 Maliris wrote:
i wish idra would show more respect to Minigun... minigun was just stomping him and he just flames him.


Cuz minigun is a wut
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biskyree
Profile Joined May 2011
New Zealand5 Posts
May 31 2011 09:07 GMT
#2608
On May 31 2011 17:49 SundeR. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 17:45 iCanada wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:29 SundeR. wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:28 iCanada wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:18 OneOther wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:14 hunts wrote:
Well for one by turning on destinys stream you could hear idras msuic in the background, and hear commercials in the background at the same time idra gets out of a game and starts a commercial, it's the same commercial. Is that enough proof for you?

Wait so how does Destiny (possibly) watching IdrA's stream mean that Minigun's cheating while actually playing IdrA? I think you guys should be more careful before you accuse people of cheating because that's always a serious thing no matter the circumstance - and a lot of people would lose their respect for these guys if that were the case. You shouldn't throw out accusations based on unsubstantial reasoning


Exactly. You have no proof. So Destiny was watching IdrA's stream while IdrA played Minigun...

How does that mean they cheated? Having the ability to cheat doesn't mean you cheated. Imagine if any time you took a test and the person beside you had their answers out in the open your teacher jumped straight too "ZOMG YOU CHEATED! ZEWRO FOR YOUZ!!!!!!"

If they were cheating, wouldn't Destiny have been prepared for his Roach allin? Wouldn't CatZ know that IdrA was prepared for his roach allin?

Being a fan of all parties involved, I just can't see how you can come out and say they are cheating. There is absolutely no proof.


IdrA was not prepared for CatZ' roach all-in. He threw spines down at the very last second and they weren't even ready until CatZ did the scrubby mistake of running past them into his main.


How was he not prepared? He had two spines up by the time CatZ roaches got their, and just about as many roaches. I dunno about you, but I'd call that being prepared. IdrA crushed the push, it wasn't close.

o.O


He saw the roaches and immediately threw down 3-4, taking the total up to about 5 spines. CatZ ran up, there was one spine crawler finished with 4 morphing. CatZ ran past them all before they finished. IdrA even had time to cancel one or two of them when CatZ was harassing drones in his main.

This is on Shakuras by the way, and if IdrA has time to cancel spines when CatZ ran ALL the way across Shakuras, scuffled at the ramp and then ran all the way to his drone line, he was not prepared.


I think your memory is fuzzy man, he had one finished and two morphing, sure he got to the min line, but as has already been said, the push was crushed.
SundeR.
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia112 Posts
May 31 2011 09:09 GMT
#2609
On May 31 2011 18:07 biskyree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 17:49 SundeR. wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:45 iCanada wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:29 SundeR. wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:28 iCanada wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:18 OneOther wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:14 hunts wrote:
Well for one by turning on destinys stream you could hear idras msuic in the background, and hear commercials in the background at the same time idra gets out of a game and starts a commercial, it's the same commercial. Is that enough proof for you?

Wait so how does Destiny (possibly) watching IdrA's stream mean that Minigun's cheating while actually playing IdrA? I think you guys should be more careful before you accuse people of cheating because that's always a serious thing no matter the circumstance - and a lot of people would lose their respect for these guys if that were the case. You shouldn't throw out accusations based on unsubstantial reasoning


Exactly. You have no proof. So Destiny was watching IdrA's stream while IdrA played Minigun...

How does that mean they cheated? Having the ability to cheat doesn't mean you cheated. Imagine if any time you took a test and the person beside you had their answers out in the open your teacher jumped straight too "ZOMG YOU CHEATED! ZEWRO FOR YOUZ!!!!!!"

If they were cheating, wouldn't Destiny have been prepared for his Roach allin? Wouldn't CatZ know that IdrA was prepared for his roach allin?

Being a fan of all parties involved, I just can't see how you can come out and say they are cheating. There is absolutely no proof.


IdrA was not prepared for CatZ' roach all-in. He threw spines down at the very last second and they weren't even ready until CatZ did the scrubby mistake of running past them into his main.


How was he not prepared? He had two spines up by the time CatZ roaches got their, and just about as many roaches. I dunno about you, but I'd call that being prepared. IdrA crushed the push, it wasn't close.

o.O


He saw the roaches and immediately threw down 3-4, taking the total up to about 5 spines. CatZ ran up, there was one spine crawler finished with 4 morphing. CatZ ran past them all before they finished. IdrA even had time to cancel one or two of them when CatZ was harassing drones in his main.

This is on Shakuras by the way, and if IdrA has time to cancel spines when CatZ ran ALL the way across Shakuras, scuffled at the ramp and then ran all the way to his drone line, he was not prepared.


I think your memory is fuzzy man, he had one finished and two morphing, sure he got to the min line, but as has already been said, the push was crushed.


It was not crushed straight up. If IdrA was so prepared then why didnt he crush him at the ramp instead of retreating, waiting for reinforcements and cancelling spines? I don't get it. Of course IdrA crushed the push, CatZ suicided the roaches into the main...
Msrobinson
Profile Joined October 2010
United States138 Posts
May 31 2011 09:10 GMT
#2610
Idra is a lot better player than all of us. You don't think that he possibly could have scouted and understood that the push was coming, and prepare for it? I think he did. There is no foul play on Idra's part. He cares too much about his ego and improving.
The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other in opposite directions.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 31 2011 09:34 GMT
#2611
On May 31 2011 18:09 SundeR. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 18:07 biskyree wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:49 SundeR. wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:45 iCanada wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:29 SundeR. wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:28 iCanada wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:18 OneOther wrote:
On May 31 2011 17:14 hunts wrote:
Well for one by turning on destinys stream you could hear idras msuic in the background, and hear commercials in the background at the same time idra gets out of a game and starts a commercial, it's the same commercial. Is that enough proof for you?

Wait so how does Destiny (possibly) watching IdrA's stream mean that Minigun's cheating while actually playing IdrA? I think you guys should be more careful before you accuse people of cheating because that's always a serious thing no matter the circumstance - and a lot of people would lose their respect for these guys if that were the case. You shouldn't throw out accusations based on unsubstantial reasoning


Exactly. You have no proof. So Destiny was watching IdrA's stream while IdrA played Minigun...

How does that mean they cheated? Having the ability to cheat doesn't mean you cheated. Imagine if any time you took a test and the person beside you had their answers out in the open your teacher jumped straight too "ZOMG YOU CHEATED! ZEWRO FOR YOUZ!!!!!!"

If they were cheating, wouldn't Destiny have been prepared for his Roach allin? Wouldn't CatZ know that IdrA was prepared for his roach allin?

Being a fan of all parties involved, I just can't see how you can come out and say they are cheating. There is absolutely no proof.


IdrA was not prepared for CatZ' roach all-in. He threw spines down at the very last second and they weren't even ready until CatZ did the scrubby mistake of running past them into his main.


How was he not prepared? He had two spines up by the time CatZ roaches got their, and just about as many roaches. I dunno about you, but I'd call that being prepared. IdrA crushed the push, it wasn't close.

o.O


He saw the roaches and immediately threw down 3-4, taking the total up to about 5 spines. CatZ ran up, there was one spine crawler finished with 4 morphing. CatZ ran past them all before they finished. IdrA even had time to cancel one or two of them when CatZ was harassing drones in his main.

This is on Shakuras by the way, and if IdrA has time to cancel spines when CatZ ran ALL the way across Shakuras, scuffled at the ramp and then ran all the way to his drone line, he was not prepared.


I think your memory is fuzzy man, he had one finished and two morphing, sure he got to the min line, but as has already been said, the push was crushed.


It was not crushed straight up. If IdrA was so prepared then why didnt he crush him at the ramp instead of retreating, waiting for reinforcements and cancelling spines? I don't get it. Of course IdrA crushed the push, CatZ suicided the roaches into the main...

Just stop it, man. This is pointless. I think most of us have agreed we shouldn't accuse people of cheating for no reason whatsoever. That's not being naïve, but being reasonable and respectful. I will not be responding further.
Kaonis
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States243 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-31 10:01:37
May 31 2011 09:56 GMT
#2612
I'm really not seeing how people have come to the consensus of "Root must have not been stream cheating" when they stream snipe him in the first place to troll him. C'mon. Seriously. It's ladder. Why NOT ghost as well when your only goal is to get back at and piss off someone?

Hasn't hurt my opinion of Root, really. Just a bunch of messing around cause, well, why not?

Edit: Oh, look, there's not actually a consensus. >_> The thing about Destiny having Idra's music playing in the background kinda is proof, considering, like I said above: they aren't cheating to serve any purpose other than to jack with Idra. That's seriously... it.
Nevermind.
Andorra
Profile Joined May 2011
Andorra64 Posts
May 31 2011 10:41 GMT
#2613
I think it was pretty obvious that Incontrol was ghosting for Idra. I mean look at the proof, he talked about the game vs Destiny, that is a clear sign that Incontrol was watching Destiny stream. How much more proof do you need?

/sarcasm

No, seriously guys, if you don´t have any proof at all, not a shred of evidence, why make statements like that? You will just look stupid. "He was able to streamcheat" doesn´t proof anything.
nYaLa
Profile Joined January 2011
Uzbekistan295 Posts
May 31 2011 10:46 GMT
#2614
I was going into this thread to say I enjoyed his games, all I read here is people caring about stream sniping/ghosting etc... IT'S F'ING LADDER O_O people still think IdrA gives a shit about that O_o?

Anyway, looking forward to his games at MLG~
no
Gotmog
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
May 31 2011 10:49 GMT
#2615
On May 31 2011 17:59 Maliris wrote:
i wish idra would show more respect to Minigun... minigun was just stomping him and he just flames him.

The way minigun shows idra respect ?
Minigun deservs no respect.
"When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground"
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
May 31 2011 11:07 GMT
#2616
idra has said himself that ladder isnt practice for him, he just does it to play games
he said the only way to practice is with team mates and friends

id get seriously pissed if i was idra too, and just lost to these idiots that only care about the fact that they can say they've beaten idra

ir bores me to watch his stream sometimes unfortunately. Either he is far superior to his opponent and just rolls him. Or he is far superior to his opponent and loses to some stupid cheese/all in/close positions
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
May 31 2011 11:07 GMT
#2617
On May 31 2011 18:56 Kaonis wrote:
I'm really not seeing how people have come to the consensus of "Root must have not been stream cheating" when they stream snipe him in the first place to troll him. C'mon. Seriously. It's ladder. Why NOT ghost as well when your only goal is to get back at and piss off someone?

Hasn't hurt my opinion of Root, really. Just a bunch of messing around cause, well, why not?

Edit: Oh, look, there's not actually a consensus. >_> The thing about Destiny having Idra's music playing in the background kinda is proof, considering, like I said above: they aren't cheating to serve any purpose other than to jack with Idra. That's seriously... it.


Uhm, the music was playing on Destinys stream while IdrA was playing against minigun... Is it so illogical to assume that destiny was just watching the stream to see what idra did so he could later (after the matches) talk with minigun about what he should look for, etc.? Or even just trying to find new strategies to stomp minigun?

Accusing someone of cheating is not something that should be done lightly or we'll soon end up with everyone accusing everyone else of cheating.
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
May 31 2011 11:13 GMT
#2618
Also Idra is one of the best zerg player in the world, and was playing a teamm8 to Destiny, that he himself have trouble beating. Its would be just stupied by Destiny to not look at Idras stream to see how he played vs Minigun.

All in all this ladder whining is just strange. Ladder dont mean shit, why bother at all. Its in the tourneys that skill matters and nobody can stream snipe there anyway.

Its not cheating every time Idra lose a game and even if it might be, why bother when its ladder? Idra wins alot more then he lose anyway.

Tbh I am starting to feel that Idra fans are closing in on Justin Bieber fans as to who are most fanatic.......and yes I am kidding :-)
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
May 31 2011 14:47 GMT
#2619
On May 31 2011 20:13 purpose wrote:Tbh I am starting to feel that Idra fans are closing in on Justin Bieber fans as to who are most fanatic.......and yes I am kidding :-)
I'd say that about IdrA's haters instead, really.

And Destiny fanboys are 1000% worse.
#freeshauni
DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
May 31 2011 15:17 GMT
#2620
On May 31 2011 23:47 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 20:13 purpose wrote:Tbh I am starting to feel that Idra fans are closing in on Justin Bieber fans as to who are most fanatic.......and yes I am kidding :-)
I'd say that about IdrA's haters instead, really.

And Destiny fanboys are 1000% worse.



I don't really understand this logic. You can't really specify a whole group of people as one type of person which is the exact reason why I still post here supporting Idra, separating the people who hate anyone that is not Idra from the people who want to watch his matches and take things from them.
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