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Apparently ThorZain played NaNi in the PlayDH tournament RO8 just an hour ago.
http://iol.playdh.com/event/iol-season-33/iol-season-33-lan-finals-sc2/147/#/brackets
+ Show Spoiler +NaNi defeated ThorZain 2-0
Do you think this will affect the outcome in the TSL3 finals, presuming that NaNi takes the match against HasuObs and ThorZain the match against Kas?
Who will this benefit more? Granted, there are more VODs and replays of NaNi available, so perhaps this is favouring NaNi?
+ Show Spoiler +Is ThorZain going into the super-metagame and losing on purpose to throw off NaNi in the finals?
Give me your thoughts!
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TSL is casted for recording(If I read correctly?), they could have already played so it really forshadows nothing.
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No, because ThorZain is known to shine when he has time to prepare for a match.
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There are spoilers on the horizon...
On May 08 2011 21:18 NuKedUFirst wrote:
TSL is casted for recording(If I read correctly?), they could have already played so it really forshadows nothing.
Erm, also, the finals will be played live.
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One Bo3 doesn't signify much, so no.
And I wouldn't count out Hasu in the TSL3 just yet anyway. So underrated.
+ Show Spoiler +Calling Naniwa vs Sjow finals for the Inferno LAN btw.
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HasuObs has a very good PvP so it's really not granted that NaNi wins.
Plus if he wins I don't think this PlayDH tournament result will affect the outcome : you can't really "mindgame" someone for a BO7 with a BO3.
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They should really start streaming events like this.
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Spoilers in the title ?! WTF ?!
You deserve a ban.
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Spoilers in the title. Thanks alot.
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On May 08 2011 21:25 Ancient.eu wrote:
Spoilers in the title ?! WTF ?!
You deserve a ban.
... read the OP, good sir.
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On May 08 2011 21:27 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:25 Ancient.eu wrote:
Spoilers in the title ?! WTF ?!
You deserve a ban. ... read the OP, good sir.
I did read the OP ? Doesn't the title imply that Throzain won the first semifinal yesterday ?
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Wait, so you're browsing TL, expecting not to see any results about their league? There are VODs up, watch them.
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On May 08 2011 21:31 Kira__ wrote:
Wait, so you're browsing TL, expecting not to see any results about their league? There are VODs up, watch them.
I was going to.
Nice spoilers in the title. And I didn't even read the OP.
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Well if you're reading the title only, you will think you're spoiled about the naniwa hasuobs as well.
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On May 08 2011 21:31 Kira__ wrote:
Wait, so you're browsing TL, expecting not to see any results about their league? There are VODs up, watch them.
There are people like you that degrade the quality of this site and of life in general.
No point in explaining anything to you.
User was banned for this post.
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Common sense is degrading to the quality of the website? That's new to me.
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On May 08 2011 21:31 Kira__ wrote:
Wait, so you're browsing TL, expecting not to see any results about their league? There are VODs up, watch them.
Ok so avg joe wants to watch the Vods. It would be reasonable to go and look for them on this site. And BOOM there's the spoiler title in front of him. The title should just change to something un-spoilery and include [Spoiler inside]
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On May 08 2011 21:31 Kira__ wrote:
Wait, so you're browsing TL, expecting not to see any results about their league? There are VODs up, watch them.
Yes. At least not seeing them without spoiler warnings. Title implies the outcome of the first semifinal. Badbadbad.
Appropriate title would've been like "TSL3 Finals Foreshadowing [SPOILER]" or something to that effect. Thread is fine, title is horrible.
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There is no spoiler in the title. The title says thorzain vs naniwa. You should whine about being spoiled about naniwa vs hasuobs results as well from your logics. Only if you read the OP (which you would be unwise to do judging by the title) will you get confirmation that thorzain won.
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Yeah, not really getting the spoiler comments. Could be a speculative thread title since it mentions Nani as well. The title itself doesn't spoil anything.
On May 08 2011 21:32 Necosarius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:31 Kira__ wrote:
Wait, so you're browsing TL, expecting not to see any results about their league? There are VODs up, watch them. I was going to.
Then what are you doing browsing Team Liquid? There's a separate site for the TSL3. Were you trying to get spoiled on purpose so you could complain? Really don't understand this mindset.
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ThorZain v NaNi? unrealistic TSL finals. Hasuobs is in such a great shape he will do it for sure!
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On May 08 2011 21:31 Kira__ wrote:
Wait, so you're browsing TL, expecting not to see any results about their league? There are VODs up, watch them.
Yes, and that it what I have been doing ever since I started lurking this site three years ago. People are usually sensible enough to include spoiler warnings. VODs are not up in the VOD thread, I guess they are up on the youtube channel, but If I check there's a chance that I would be spoiled by the number of games. Now I just might as well.
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Please lets not have this thread degenerate into another pointless spoiler vs non-spoiler argument - it's getting really old.
Ontopic - I'd really like to see HasuObs take out NaNi today, but I really can't see it happening. NaNi would have been going into the finals as pretty heavy favourite anyway, even without this result.
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On May 08 2011 21:38 Kira__ wrote:
There is no spoiler in the title. The title says thorzain vs naniwa. You should whine about being spoiled about naniwa vs hasuobs results as well from your logics. Only if you read the OP (which you would be unwise to do judging by the title) will you get confirmation that thorzain won.
If i saw this and i hadn't seen the game Y-day i would've obviously known the outcome. My thinking would be that if this thread gets created post the first semis it wouldn't make sense to pick the wrong guy as the winner of that game in the title.
And let's say that it indeed was the wrong guy picked in the title, it would've still ruined my experience watching it, even if it turned out to be a false spoiler.
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On May 08 2011 21:42 cnas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:38 Kira__ wrote:
There is no spoiler in the title. The title says thorzain vs naniwa. You should whine about being spoiled about naniwa vs hasuobs results as well from your logics. Only if you read the OP (which you would be unwise to do judging by the title) will you get confirmation that thorzain won. If i saw this and i hadn't seen the game Y-day i would've obviously known the outcome. My thinking would be that if this thread gets created post the first semis it wouldn't make sense to pick the wrong guy as the winner of it in the title. And let's say that it indeed was the wrong guy picked in the title, it would've still ruined my experience watching it, even if it turned out to be a false spoiler.
So basicly, you would have no idea wether the spoiler is an actual spoiler or not, leaving you just as clueless as before, yet it would ruin your experience? I'm not following.
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why is everyone acting as if NaNi already beat HasuObs, Hasu going to win it.
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On May 08 2011 21:38 Kira__ wrote:
There is no spoiler in the title. The title says thorzain vs naniwa. You should whine about being spoiled about naniwa vs hasuobs results as well from your logics. Only if you read the OP (which you would be unwise to do judging by the title) will you get confirmation that thorzain won.
This is what the OP said before he edited it:
+ Show Spoiler +Do you think this will affect the outcome in the TSL3 finals, presuming that NaNi takes the match against HasuObs?
I think it's pretty evident.
Edit: Ok, I see what you're saying. Still, there's no explicit spoiler warning, which is pretty absurd.
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On May 08 2011 21:42 cnas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:38 Kira__ wrote:
There is no spoiler in the title. The title says thorzain vs naniwa. You should whine about being spoiled about naniwa vs hasuobs results as well from your logics. Only if you read the OP (which you would be unwise to do judging by the title) will you get confirmation that thorzain won. If i saw this and i hadn't seen the game Y-day i would've obviously known the outcome. My thinking would be that if this thread gets created post the first semis it wouldn't make sense to pick the wrong guy as the winner of that game in the title. And let's say that it indeed was the wrong guy picked in the title, it would've still ruined my experience watching it, even if it turned out to be a false spoiler.
So looking at prediction brackets will ruin your experience because it correctly predicted that person A would reach that point. Right..
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On May 08 2011 21:38 Kira__ wrote:
There is no spoiler in the title. The title says thorzain vs naniwa. You should whine about being spoiled about naniwa vs hasuobs results as well from your logics. Only if you read the OP (which you would be unwise to do judging by the title) will you get confirmation that thorzain won.
No, because nani vs hasuobs hasn't been casted yet.
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On May 08 2011 21:45 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:38 Kira__ wrote:
There is no spoiler in the title. The title says thorzain vs naniwa. You should whine about being spoiled about naniwa vs hasuobs results as well from your logics. Only if you read the OP (which you would be unwise to do judging by the title) will you get confirmation that thorzain won. This is what the OP said before he edited it: + Show Spoiler +Do you think this will affect the outcome in the TSL3 finals, presuming that NaNi takes the match against HasuObs? I think it's pretty evident.
The post you quoted specifically talks about the title, not the OP itself.
If anyone clicks on this thread and reads the OP, he has no one to blame but himself for getting spoiled, honestly. I've only missed two TSL3 days, and on both occasions I went to the TSL3 site, watched the vods, then logged into TL to discuss them. No getting spoiled, no whining.
If someone ignores the TSL3 site and actively browses TL before watching vods, clicks on related threads and reads through them... it's hard to take his complaints seriously.
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On May 08 2011 21:49 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:45 TheBB wrote:On May 08 2011 21:38 Kira__ wrote:
There is no spoiler in the title. The title says thorzain vs naniwa. You should whine about being spoiled about naniwa vs hasuobs results as well from your logics. Only if you read the OP (which you would be unwise to do judging by the title) will you get confirmation that thorzain won. This is what the OP said before he edited it: + Show Spoiler +Do you think this will affect the outcome in the TSL3 finals, presuming that NaNi takes the match against HasuObs? I think it's pretty evident. The post you quoted specifically talks about the title, not the OP itself.
I know, I went back to edit.
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On May 08 2011 21:45 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:38 Kira__ wrote:
There is no spoiler in the title. The title says thorzain vs naniwa. You should whine about being spoiled about naniwa vs hasuobs results as well from your logics. Only if you read the OP (which you would be unwise to do judging by the title) will you get confirmation that thorzain won. This is what the OP said before he edited it: + Show Spoiler +Do you think this will affect the outcome in the TSL3 finals, presuming that NaNi takes the match against HasuObs? I think it's pretty evident. Edit: Ok, I see what you're saying. Still, there's no explicit spoiler warning, which is pretty absurd.
I fully understand your complaints. I misjudged the title thinking that people would understand it as a speculative one rather than factual. I hope editing the OP atleast prevented further people from being spoiled.
My apologies 
Do continue giving your thoughts however!
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On May 08 2011 21:51 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:49 Bobster wrote:On May 08 2011 21:45 TheBB wrote:On May 08 2011 21:38 Kira__ wrote:
There is no spoiler in the title. The title says thorzain vs naniwa. You should whine about being spoiled about naniwa vs hasuobs results as well from your logics. Only if you read the OP (which you would be unwise to do judging by the title) will you get confirmation that thorzain won. This is what the OP said before he edited it: + Show Spoiler +Do you think this will affect the outcome in the TSL3 finals, presuming that NaNi takes the match against HasuObs? I think it's pretty evident. The post you quoted specifically talks about the title, not the OP itself. I know, I went back to edit. Excellent.
*high five*
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I guess Thorzain needs preptime
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On topic I would want to say that what the thing which will play the biggest role in the final is experience rather than previous results. Naniwa winning MLG in the way he did will play a big big role when they sit down to duke it out in NY.
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On May 08 2011 21:33 Ancient.eu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:31 Kira__ wrote:
Wait, so you're browsing TL, expecting not to see any results about their league? There are VODs up, watch them. There are people like you that degrade the quality of this site and of life in general. No point in explaining anything to you.
I have some advice for you. Be quiet.
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I stopped watching the TSL3 when I realized the round of 8 looked like this:
TTTTPPPP
There. I said it.
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On May 08 2011 22:11 Sueco wrote:
I stopped watching the TSL3 when I realized the round of 8 looked like this:
TTTTPPPP
There. I said it.
Actually, it was TPPTTPPP. :p
We got three fine games of the - imo - most interesting matchup (PvT) and one of the most interesting mirror (TvT). Shame about the two PvP's though, I agree.
If the only thing you want to see is Z, then I can understand being disappointed with the Ro8, though.
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imo thorzain is a preparation player. he has some builds prepared they are good, counter everything naniwa ever did and are a surprise. I think it is a metagame thing for sure. Maybe he didnt lose intentionally but he probably used old builds, and definitely not the builds hes going to use in the finals. Im still thinking hes gonna win, its thorzain vs protoss after all 
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I think no matter the outcome of the PlayDH tournament if we see a Nani-Thorzain finals it could still definitely go either way.
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On May 08 2011 21:38 Bobster wrote:Yeah, not really getting the spoiler comments. Could be a speculative thread title since it mentions Nani as well. The title itself doesn't spoil anything. Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:32 Necosarius wrote:On May 08 2011 21:31 Kira__ wrote:
Wait, so you're browsing TL, expecting not to see any results about their league? There are VODs up, watch them. I was going to. Then what are you doing browsing Team Liquid? There's a separate site for the TSL3. Were you trying to get spoiled on purpose so you could complain? Really don't understand this mindset.
I don't understand your mindset either. When there is a OSL, MSL or even GSL finals I can browse TL without getting spoilered, why shouldn't I be able to browse TL because of TSL?
And you don't need to use the TSL3 site, there is a VOD thread to the right-->
And just to get back on topic, no I don't think the PlayDH results will have any affect. Thorzain have proved several times in the TSL that he's very good at preparing for a series. I expect this finals to be very close, whoever he ends up against.
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On May 08 2011 22:19 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 22:11 Sueco wrote:
I stopped watching the TSL3 when I realized the round of 8 looked like this:
TTTTPPPP
There. I said it. Actually, it was TPPTTPPP. :p We got three fine games of the - imo - most interesting matchup (PvT) and one of the most interesting mirror (TvT). Shame about the two PvP's though, I agree. If the only thing you want to see is Z, then I can understand being disappointed with the Ro8, though.
I didn't just want to see Z, but the fact that there was no Z at all made me lose interest in the tournament.
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I feel like I'm asking a stupid question, but how was* the title a spoiler?
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I believe in ThorZaIN, its just one match so it means nothing, he has the skill to win
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On May 08 2011 22:20 Plexa wrote:
Sorry there is a massive spoiler in the title and I don't know how to word it in a way that it isn't.
Spoilers like that are fine, you cant come to the TSL section of TL and expect to not find results.
Its like going to the local teams pub and then complaining that they are all talking about the game that was played just a few hours ago. what do you expect?
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On May 09 2011 14:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 22:20 Plexa wrote:
Sorry there is a massive spoiler in the title and I don't know how to word it in a way that it isn't. Spoilers like that are fine, you cant come to the TSL section of TL and expect to not find results. Its like going to the local teams pub and then complaining that they are all talking about the game that was played just a few hours ago. what do you expect?
I worked it out  this originally wasn't posted in TSL and had a massive spoiler.
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On May 08 2011 21:36 cnas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 21:31 Kira__ wrote:
Wait, so you're browsing TL, expecting not to see any results about their league? There are VODs up, watch them. Ok so avg joe wants to watch the Vods. It would be reasonable to go and look for them on this site. And BOOM there's the spoiler title in front of him. The title should just change to something un-spoilery and include [Spoiler inside]
Avg Joe types "TSL3 Vods" into Google.
Avg Joe finds http://www.pokerstrategytsl3.com/vods
Avg Joe watches all TSL3 Vods without a single spoiler unless he's dumb and scrolls down to the semis.
And if that wasn't enough, the TSL is running for a while now. I have the above mentioned URL bookmarked since the RO32. How can you get spoilered for a semi final after this is running for so long already?
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Throzain obviously threw the games at that other lan, so that he wouldn't reveal any special tactics and also make Naniwa overconfident 
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Boxer Lost? Damn Spoilers.
Maybe Thorzain can only win one match up per week, due to his training...
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I'm sure neither of them prepared anything special for the tournament. I wouldn't read into the results at all.
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