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It's good to see Idra recognizing his legit defeat. It's a mature attitude to have, and judging from what he said he was clearly out-mind gamed in Game 5 if not also in Game 3, with Nony pulling off builds that he did not prepare enough for. Obviously he respects his opponent this time around, enough to say that he could not win a macro game against Nony vs. double nexus on a Protoss favored map, plus Nony being his friend, which is about as much as we're gonna get out of Idra 
Meanwhile, mentally blocking out the CC cancel is probably a good idea. You don't want to dwell too much on that one, or else it'll haunt you for the rest of your life. 
As for Idra's opinions about the other players, being a mechanics player he is clearly going to favor the other mechanics players. No surprises there. I don't agree with Idra's assessment of Mondragon, as I think Mondragon has really upped his game as of late, but then this is not something we can say without further evidence. JF - well, I'm a fan of his tricky play, actually, but I can see why a mechanics player would not respect that and call it "everything that's wrong with Starcraft." Still, you gotta respect the consistency with which JF pulls out the coin-flips, so to speak. No way he could win every reaver battle by just depending on lucky scarabs, and his cheeses mostly fail anyways.
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Man, I hate how scforall does not work for me.
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On February 17 2010 02:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote:On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote:On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote:
hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent with idra's history you can't be naive enough to think this is all friendly jostling. There's difference in delivery.
NonY said he was going to 3-1 IdrA. Why not get upset about that?
IdrA says he's going to 3-0 nony, everyone has a massive rant about it. For gods sake the hypocrisy is amazing.
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Thank you Idra, for being entertaining before, during, and after all your starcraft games.
Also, for all those who have to jump down Idra's throat no matter what he says, jump off the freaking bandwagon. Trust me, it's way more fun when your delicate PC sensibilities aren't being offended by every little comment a professional competitor makes.
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JF is BackHo and Nony is Stork?
Awesome! BackHo crushed Stork many times with legit skills.
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One more thing, I agree with Idra that Nony is one of the top players in the foreigner scene. People who bag too much on the coming-out-of-retirement thing does not realize how good Nony was, and is. He is a genius, as far as foreigners are concerned, in terms of build-orders and mechanics. Idra could not have been defeated by anything less. If you don't believe me, watch Nony's streams. When he's not screwing around, he's a monster.
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Starcraft chat and bossa nova yeah xD
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the epitome of all that's wrong in starcraft
XD
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If JF does manage to beat Nony (I don't think he will, but who knows), we should ask him what he thought about Idra's comments
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On February 17 2010 04:25 EsX_Raptor wrote:
the epitome of all that's wrong in starcraft
XD
That's actually a pretty sexy title. I'd embrace it if I were JF.
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Good interview
The calm before the STORM!
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Such a shame he went out, he is by far the strongest player in the tournament and no one else than Nony would be able to take a series from him. Now sen has the best chances of winning it, which doesn't feel right since he's not really a part of the community.
And idra, if you could upload your replay pack that would be totally awesome!
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Artosis: No, no ones worse than Backho, alright? Okay, and what about Mondragon, you don't want to see him as the winner of this event either?
IdrA: Not really. He had his prime, he was the dominant player and he deserved his wins then. He's past his prime, he's not as good as the top players right now. I don't think he should win. I think Sen and NonY are more deserving, more skilled.
I laughed.
Plus bitching so hard someone who hasn't practice for a year and who get further in this tournament than him, who practice twelve hours a day, and who won the last TSL when he got miserably kicked out in the Ro8 is kinda laughable too.
Sometimes, I dream to ask him: "Why don't you switch to protoss if it's so easy to win?"
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On February 17 2010 04:03 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2010 02:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote:On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote:On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote:
hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent with idra's history you can't be naive enough to think this is all friendly jostling. There's difference in delivery. NonY said he was going to 3-1 IdrA. Why not get upset about that? IdrA says he's going to 3-0 nony, everyone has a massive rant about it. For gods sake the hypocrisy is amazing.
There's a distinction between predicting a score in which you are the winner and guaranteeing a dominant win. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? If IdrA had simply said that he expects to win that would be fine. Here's what he said in reality:
"Are you going to defeat Nony?"
"Of course I will."
"Will it be a 3-0 victory for you?"
"Yes."
"Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?"
"I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time."
Those are all absolute statements. He didn't merely say "I think I'll win", he guaranteed a dominant victory.
Let me make this very, very simple and clear: If you guarantee a dominant victory and then lose you will be mocked, as you deserve to be.
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A lot more respect to Idra for doing this interview. I would still be completely pissed off if I were him.
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PokerStrategy.com TSL:
So if Nony goes double nexus every game, you might lose?
IdrA[Media]:
Nah, if he can get a free double nexus diagonal positions on Andromeda and still almost lose, it won't really matter what builds he does.
That's the real irony. Idra boldly proclaims that Nony's builds won't matter and then loses precisely because of Nony's builds.
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honestly i cant blame idra that much anymore, he did get proxy all inned twice and cancelled his cc one game and still manged to take to to the fifth game.
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On February 17 2010 04:56 Lefnui wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2010 04:03 Subversive wrote:On February 17 2010 02:27 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 16 2010 23:43 JWD wrote:On February 16 2010 23:30 Zplut wrote:On February 16 2010 23:02 IdrA wrote:
hows it rude to expect to win? its not like i said nonys a terrible person or even a bad player. hell predicting someones gonna lose 3 games doesnt even mean you think theyre worse than you. yeah can`t find the part where you imply that he is worse than you .... so what? I don't see why you are worked up over a professional competitor implying he is better than an opponent with idra's history you can't be naive enough to think this is all friendly jostling. There's difference in delivery. NonY said he was going to 3-1 IdrA. Why not get upset about that? IdrA says he's going to 3-0 nony, everyone has a massive rant about it. For gods sake the hypocrisy is amazing. There's a distinction between predicting a score in which you are the winner and guaranteeing a dominant win. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? If IdrA had simply said that he expects to win that would be fine. Here's what he said in reality: "Are you going to defeat Nony?" "Of course I will.""Will it be a 3-0 victory for you?" "Yes.""Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?" "I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time."Those are all absolute statements. He didn't merely say "I think I'll win", he guaranteed a dominant victory. Let me make this very, very simple and clear: If you guarantee a dominant victory and then lose you will be mocked, as you deserve to be.
I think it was pretty obvious that this part, which people keep quoting, was just sarcastic trash talk before the match to add hype/make drama. I don't think anybody could seriously interpret that pre-match interview as disrespect towards Nony. I thought it was hilarious and really made the series more exciting!
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Idra thinks he's the best player on the foreigner's scene no matter what even when he loses, that's just the kind of person he is.
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