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chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 08:24:24
January 27 2010 07:09 GMT
#1
Note: When tossing out predictions for major sporting events, ESPN showcases both well-known experts and the mass consensus (i.e. SportsNation). Stuck with idle hands until Saturday afternoon, I thought I'd organize the thoughts of a few major players as well as solicit the opinion of the forum as a whole. Idle hands do the devil's work.


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Ro16
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(P)(pl)BVG.Draco< Bo5 >(Z)(tw)DuskBin.Sen
Saturday, January 30th, 2010
Broadcast: 11:00 PST / 14:00 EST / 20:00 CET / 04:00 TL Time (next day)

▶NonY: This will be very tough for Draco. I think Sen will destroy Draco.
▶Ret: This might just be the biggest match of the round of 16. Sen gets to play his best match up - I have to say, Draco, you better practice or you are in for a wild ride.
▶Chill: Sen.
▶IdrA: Sen.
▶Sen: ... he is an awesome player but it's ZvP we're talking about. I feel much more confident playing ZvP than I do with ZvT.
▶Odds makers: Sen (Sen has the 7th best odds to win the entire TSL).
▶Artosis: I cannot predict this. I simply can't. This is the match of this round. They both deserve round of 8.
▶Plexa: Honestly, Draco didn’t perform to his highest level in 2009 but that’s no reason to write him off. Anyone with Korean experience is a dangerous competitor – and Draco is no exception. Sen is a scary opponent and is particularly good at managing large groups of units at once. Thus as you might expect he’s got a pretty sick macro oriented game, but equally he has enough skill to pull off a 2 hatch muta. I’m not even going to bother trying to call the Draco vs Sen series, if both of them are in shape then it’s going to be an absolute delight to watch and that’s all I care about at the end of the day.

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Poll: Draco vs Sen
(Vote): Draco
(Vote): Sen


(P)(ca)mouz.IefNaij< Bo5 >(T)(mx)GosI[Terran]
Saturday, February 6th, 2010
Broadcast: 11:00 PST / 14:00 EST / 20:00 CET / 04:00 TL Time (next day)

▶NonY: I think it will be GosI[Terran] because JF is on very little practice right now. He might perform kind of like I did against Irda but the favorite is definitely GosI[Terran]
▶Ret: This will be a very good match. If JF finds time to practice, this will be 50/50. If not, Gosi[Terran] will win 3-0 or 3-1.
▶Chill: Terran.
▶IdrA: Terran.
▶Odds makers: Gosi[Terran] (Gosi[Terran] has the 8th best odds to win the entire TSL).
▶Artosis: Gosi[Terran], a very talented player, will take this. Real life has caught up to JF.
▶Plexa: Terran plays almost exclusively with Koreans (hence why he is GosI), he sleeps at Korean hours so he can practice just against them, and as you might expect, he plays a very Korean style. He played a very impressive series against Infernal in the qualifiers, and I expect that to be the precursor to him doing great things in the TSL ... we’ll have to wait and see whether IefNaij practiced enough to compete with the big boys once again.
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Poll: IefNaij vs GosI[Terran]
(Vote): IefNaij
(Vote): GosI[Terran]



(P)(ua)mouz.White-Ra< Bo5 >(P)(ca)[Pan]KabaL
Sunday, February 7th, 2010
Broadcast: 11:00 PST / 14:00 EST / 20:00 CET / 04:00 TL Time (next day)

▶NonY: I think this one will be very close. There are a lot of people who say White-Ra will automatically beat Kabal but I think Kabal might win it. His PvP is good and White-Ra, while he's a very strong player, he's not that much better than anyone else. He's not dominating people. I'm going to give Kabal the edge and say he will advance.
▶Ret: TT1 did a good job in the qualifiers but this is a different match up and an even tougher player. It be really hard for TT1. I hope he can surprise us, though, because I actually like him and I hope he puts up a good fight. White-Ra.
▶Chill: White-Ra.
▶IdrA: White-Ra.
▶Odds makers: White-Ra. (White-Ra has the 4th best odds to win the entire TSL).
▶Artosis: TT1 was a known hacker for a long time but he is back with a vengeance and real skill. This is actually very hard to call. People give White-Ra a lot of credit - rightfully so - but TT1 has some very strong PvP. I do think White-Ra will take it but it will be close.
▶ Plexa: White-Ra has been a top three players for a long time now and has the tournament results to back that up. He is one of the favourites for the TSL – anything less than a top 4 spot is a surprise really.
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Poll: White-Ra vs KabaL
(Vote): White-Ra
(Vote): KabaL


(T)(ru)RoX.KIS.BRAT_OK< Bo5 >(Z)(de)ToT)Mondragon(
Sunday, February 7th, 2010
Broadcast: 11:00 PST / 14:00 EST / 20:00 CET / 04:00 TL Time (next day)

▶NonY: I think this one is the toughest to call. It is the closest match. If Mondragon has been practicing, he will definitely win.
▶Ret: This will be one of the closest. He's been practicing ZvT and this is a nice step up - I think Mondragon will pull it out in a tight, close victory.
▶Chill: BRAT_OK.
▶IdrA: BRAT_OK.
▶Mondragon: Well, you know, ZvT is my favorite matchup . Brat is definitely better than Shaman and it won't be as easy as it was today. I don't really expect to have much of a chance there, though I am 'lucky' because I've practiced ZvT quite a bit lately and it obviously helps me vs Brat too. There could have been worse opponents for Ro16.
▶Odds makers: BRAT_OK (BRAT_OK has the 5th best odds to win the entire TSL).
▶Artosis: A lot of people are saying that Mondragon will take this. I disagree. I think BRAT_OK will take this. I hear, from inside sources, that BRAT_OK is playing really well.
▶Plexa: Brat’s play tends to revolve around slightly unorthodox play – dropships, harassment, mech, fast vessels and whatnot. I would pick him as the favourite over Mondragon, and he certainly has the results from various clan wars to back this up.
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Poll: BRAT_OK vs Mondragon
(Vote): BRAT_OK
(Vote): Mondragon


(P)(us)Liquid`NonY< Bo5 >(T)(pl)iG.Tarson
Sunday, January 31st, 2010
Broadcast: 11:00 PST / 14:00 EST / 20:00 CET / 04:00 TL Time (next day)

▶Ret: Tarson is definitely one of the weaker games in the top 16. This will definitely be better than Nony vs. Horror but Nony has looked surprisingly strong. Nony.
▶Chill: NonY.
▶IdrA: Nony.
▶Odds makers: Nony. (Nony has the 2nd best odds to win the entire TSL).
▶Artosis: I'm impressed that Tarson has made it to this round but Nony is starting to look quite good, folks. I can see him doing quite well in this tournament. I definitely see him taking out Tarson.
▶ Plexa: Nony is such a monster, I really don’t like Tarson’s chances against him. I don’t think the TSL is going to be the place where Tarson gets to break out unfortunately, Nony is just too much of an opponent to handle.
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Poll: NonY vs Tarson
(Vote): NonY
(Vote): Tarson


(T)(pe)mouz.Fenix< Bo5 >(Z)(de)mouz.Kolll
Sunday, January 31st, 2010
Broadcast: 11:00 PST / 14:00 EST / 20:00 CET / 04:00 TL Time (next day)

▶NonY: I'm going to go with Kolll. He has momentum going for him and that plays a huge role.
▶Ret: Kolll is definitely the favorite but Fenix is tricky. After Morrow, this is another match for Kolll in which all he has to do is avoid gimmicks and mistakes and he will win.
▶Chill: Kolll.
▶IdrA: Kolll.
▶Odds makers: Kolll (Kolll has the 6th best odds to win the entire TSL).
▶Artosis: People count Fenix out a lot more than they should. This guy wins a lot of events, he does really well, only getting knocked out by the very top players. This will be a good match but I am giving the edge to Kolll. Expect a great series, Fenix is not afraid of Kolll at all.
▶Kolll: Fenix is a strong TvZ player and he likes to play stuff I’m weak against
▶Plexa: Kolll had some pretty big moments in 2009 – particularly his 4th place at WCG (beating Idra in the process 2-0). Many people are expecting big things from him in the TSL. Fenix vs Kolll is another matchup I can’t call – both are really talented players who are going to give us an explosive series, and I can’t wait to enjoy it.
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Poll: Fenix vs Kolll
(Vote): Fenix
(Vote): Kolll



(Z)(nl)Ret<Bo5>(Z)(pe)[Pan]CaStrO
Saturday, February 6th, 2010
Broadcast: 11:00 PST / 14:00 EST / 20:00 CET / 04:00 TL Time (next day)

▶NonY: Keeping in mind Ret's results from his Courage Tournament - he beat 3 Zergs and lost to the 4th Zerg 1-2 on mess-ups - he will come into this with great confidence, very happy with his Zerg vs. Zerg. He will go ahead and destroy Castro and, barring any lag, he will beat Castro convincingly. Castro is a great player but Ret is a monster right now.
▶Chill: Ret.
▶IdrA: Ret.
▶Odds makers: Ret (Ret has the 3rd best odds to win the entire TSL).
▶Artosis: Don't let Ret fool you. He is going to Hulk-smash Castro and move on with ease.
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Poll: Ret vs CaStrO
(Vote): Ret
(Vote): CaStrO


(T)(us)IdrA[Media] < Bo5 > (Z)(ca)ToT)XiaOzI(
Saturday, January 30th, 2010
Broadcast: 11:00 PST / 14:00 EST / 20:00 CET / 04:00 TL Time (next day)

▶Ret: I feel bad for XiaOzI. I hope he can put up a good fight but IdrA gets better every week because he's playing with progamers every week, 12 hours a day.
▶Chill: IdrA.
▶Odds makers: Idra (Idra has the best odds to win the entire TSL).
▶Artosis: Idra is just about an unstoppable beast but I would be surprised if Xiaozi didn't take at least one game.
▶Plexa: It’s no secret that IdrA is the odds on favourite to win this tournament. I really don’t think Xiaozi has got much of a shot to take out such a solid contender.
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Poll: IdrA vs XiaOzI
(Vote): IdrA
(Vote): XiaOzI


I've taken these predictions from various threads, interviews and videos. The "odds makers" predictions are from an e-sports betting website based in Europe.

You should drop some in-depth predictions right here. I'll put the best up here - that is, the most interesting predictions from the most interesting posters - and the OP will be continuously updated as picks come in.

Note, this isn't the bracket thread. Stick to the Ro16 and add some meat to your prediction, not just a name!

Finally, to get you even more pumped up:





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chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-27 07:17:36
January 27 2010 07:10 GMT
#2
i wanted to get all relevant predictions in one place and the bracket contest thread didn't exactly seem like the right place to do it. hopefully this is a-ok and useful.
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jgju
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States454 Posts
January 27 2010 07:18 GMT
#3
Ah it's good to see all these predictions in one place- thanks for compiling

The chill/Idra prediction team is clearly omniscient
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johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
January 27 2010 07:30 GMT
#4
someone needs to make a new intro video the last one was epic
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 27 2010 07:56 GMT
#5
chill and idra 100% agreement woo
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-27 08:08:34
January 27 2010 08:00 GMT
#6
Nothing against Nony but how comes nony has the 2nd best odds to win this ?
Are u kidding me ? And thats not even counting in that he has to face Idra round 2 should he advance.. ( and Idra beat Timothy)

I mean is Nony seriously the 2nd best / 2nd most likely to win this
I doubt it..
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 27 2010 08:04 GMT
#7
wowowow chill so smart
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chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
January 27 2010 08:10 GMT
#8
On January 27 2010 17:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Nothing against Nony but how comes nony has the 2nd best odds to win this ?
Are u kidding me ? And thats not even counting in that he has to face Idra round 2 should he advance.. ( and Idra beat Timothy)

I mean is Nony seriously the 2nd best / 2nd most likely to win this
I doubt it..


most people who have looked at the site have noted that their odds are ridiculous plenty of the time. if i lived in europe, i might make a bet or two to make money off of them.
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
January 27 2010 09:33 GMT
#9
not knowing how serious a player takes it and how much he trains is a big unknown and thats just enough to frighten me doing this..

Except for maybe idra and kolll we dont really know how much the players practice for this..
so imo its just too dangerous to bet huge sums..
hatred outlives the hateful
BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
January 27 2010 10:14 GMT
#10
On January 27 2010 16:30 johnnyspazz wrote:
someone needs to make a new intro video the last one was epic



I'm sure they'll having something new for us once the tourney gets underway . Up until now it was the qualifiers so technically the actual TSL is only beginning this week.
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Macavenger
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1132 Posts
January 27 2010 10:24 GMT
#11
I think a lot of people are reflexively writing NonY off just because he's been inactive for so long. His Ro8 series against IdrA (barring massive surprises in Ro16) will be excellent, and the winner from that should be favored to at minimum make the finals, and quite possibly win the tourney. Personally I think NonY can take him, and win the TSL. But don't listen to me, listen to NonY in his interview. :p
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
January 27 2010 11:27 GMT
#12
On January 27 2010 19:14 BG1 wrote:
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On January 27 2010 16:30 johnnyspazz wrote:
someone needs to make a new intro video the last one was epic



I'm sure they'll having something new for us once the tourney gets underway . Up until now it was the qualifiers so technically the actual TSL is only beginning this week.


i hope so
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
January 27 2010 11:32 GMT
#13
Well for me only idra stands out
Like he is the only one I think who is a favourite vs everyone
I wouldnt want to call Nony the fav vs Sen,Mondi,Ret,Kolll, White-Ra that feels more like 50/50 or worse or maybe slightly better..

hatred outlives the hateful
Coulthard
Profile Joined September 2005
Greece3359 Posts
January 27 2010 11:58 GMT
#14
On January 27 2010 16:30 johnnyspazz wrote:
someone needs to make a new intro video the last one was epic

that is because giannis was awesome
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
January 27 2010 12:36 GMT
#15
The "odds maker" prediction for sen vs draco is wrong. Sen is the 7th most favorite to win while draco is the 10th, so sen has better chances according to the website they're talking about. I'm not sure why you can't just say that the website is: http://www.xlbet.com
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chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
January 27 2010 12:56 GMT
#16
On January 27 2010 21:36 4kmonk wrote:
The "odds maker" prediction for sen vs draco is wrong. Sen is the 7th most favorite to win while draco is the 10th, so sen has better chances according to the website they're talking about. I'm not sure why you can't just say that the website is: http://www.xlbet.com


i didnt link the website cause it felt sort of like a cheap advertisement for, frankly, the least relevant or reliable of the predictors quoted. plus, i knew it would get linked to in this thread eventually.

as for the prediction, you are quoting the overall winners bet. i was quoting the handicapped bet in which the odds are 1.48 - 2.45, draco - sen. i made a mistake and didn't realize that it was the handicapped - they are giving odds to draco with a 1.5 game handicap. my bad!
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jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
January 27 2010 13:26 GMT
#17
nice compilation of predictions! thanks for creating this thread
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
January 27 2010 13:55 GMT
#18
great OP, very useful to read all these predictions in one place.

It'd be better if you linked your sources though, I bet a lot of readers would like to hear the predictions for themselves! (+ Ret and Artosis's videos are pretty cool TSL hype)
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Glaucus
Profile Joined June 2009
479 Posts
January 27 2010 14:39 GMT
#19
Chill listened well to Idra. And I agree with him.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
January 27 2010 14:58 GMT
#20
Excellent OP, thanks for making.
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