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Congrats g5 nice concaves, was slightly disappointed in the quality of the games but I guess the pressure of TSL showed, and those that can handle it will go far.
On January 07 2010 18:41 iG.ClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 18:29 Drazzzt wrote:On January 07 2010 18:19 iG.ClouD wrote: It was very frustrating, I play so bad in tournaments. My preparation this time was far superior to g5 but I get too nervous and make shitty decisions, like making 4 templars before researching storm in the first game or even forgetting to research storm in the second one. I won't congratulate to g5 because I think he actually played bad (going for blind, unsafe builds without having a clue of what I was doing), but well in the end the mistake was mine trying to think I can compete in tournaments even though I always get nervous and ansious to the point of not being able to think logically at all. I hate that kind of unmannered posts. Ok, you lost. Just stand it. He played better than you. Talking about having a "far superior preparation" or not congratulating, because "G5 played bad", is simply disrespectful. You won't win any friends talking like this. I am not gonna state he played good if he played without scouting at all, nor I am gonna state he had a better preparation when he obviously didn't. Why is it unmannered? Have you even watched the replays?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 07 2010 21:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:pretty loose definition of 'played better' given the priority list in PvP Plexa yes but what i mean is G5's mistakes are a lot harder to fix than the ones Cloud made.
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Third game was easily the best. Well played.
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Nice that the TSL is on! I don't mind one bit that this got played pre-schedule, it's an excellent teaser.
There's definately some merit to what Cloud is saying, it just doesn't mean he was more deserving of a win (I know he never claimed to be). Also has to be considered that staying calm under pressure is an important skill as well in all competitive games - if Cloud lost due to him being too nervous that also points to G5 being the better player in this aspect.
I guess the point is just that there's two sides to each story, and one doesn't have to be false for the other to be true.
Can't fully agree with what Plexa says. Cloud had better timing? Timing was against him both when G5 attacked his 3rd in game 1 and when the fight in game 2 occured before storm research was done. You may want to attribute this to either G5's timing or his luck, but it doesn't have to be one or the other.
GGs (even if imperfect), gongrats to G5, and yay! - go TSL2!
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On January 07 2010 21:38 iG.ClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 21:26 IdrA wrote: if your control and positioning and unit choice are bad enough to lose multiple fights while you're up 90 supply to 60 something is seriously wrong. they both made mistakes. cloud's were alot fuckin bigger. how did he deserve to win? No one is saying I deserve to win, when you play that bad all you deserve is to die. Seriously though, I can't just handle the pressure. I'll keep playing and maybe I'll stream my games, but I'm not expecting to do anything in tournaments anymore. Didn't Flash have to take medication at one point because he was so nervous? Look at him now. I don't think this is a good enough excuse to quit playing tournaments.
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Wow, congrats G5, excellent games!
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Cloud seemed to have forgotten storm in the 2nd game. Grats G5.
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On January 07 2010 21:46 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 21:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:pretty loose definition of 'played better' given the priority list in PvP Plexa yes but what i mean is G5's mistakes are a lot harder to fix than the ones Cloud made.
The mistakes you listed of G5 are pretty nonsense though: worse probe production? If you read his interview you would see he purposefully cut probes. Worse timings? His timing in game 1 outright won him the game. Worse mechanics? They seemed pretty even to me.
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Loosing Cloud in tournaments will suck, he's a great player overall. Like everyone is saying eaven G5 in interview ClouD had better unit count and better econo. Just bad attack timing and bad decisions. I can understand poeple having problemes under pressure, it probably is very hard to play when you are so stressed or not thinking clearly.
Well GG to G5 on this, got to give it to him, your attacks were great and micro was awesome.
GG guys
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I still cannot believe that ClouD lost the second game. T_T Congratulations to G5 for winning.
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gz G5, it was close series even tho the score doesnt show, your preparation paid off keep up the good work
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Storm was almost upgraded @ g1, mb the outcome would have been different with it :/
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Calgary25955 Posts
On January 07 2010 21:04 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 18:41 iG.ClouD wrote:On January 07 2010 18:29 Drazzzt wrote:On January 07 2010 18:19 iG.ClouD wrote: It was very frustrating, I play so bad in tournaments. My preparation this time was far superior to g5 but I get too nervous and make shitty decisions, like making 4 templars before researching storm in the first game or even forgetting to research storm in the second one. I won't congratulate to g5 because I think he actually played bad (going for blind, unsafe builds without having a clue of what I was doing), but well in the end the mistake was mine trying to think I can compete in tournaments even though I always get nervous and ansious to the point of not being able to think logically at all. I hate that kind of unmannered posts. Ok, you lost. Just stand it. He played better than you. Talking about having a "far superior preparation" or not congratulating, because "G5 played bad", is simply disrespectful. You won't win any friends talking like this. I am not gonna state he played good if he played without scouting at all, nor I am gonna state he had a better preparation when he obviously didn't. Why is it unmannered? Have you even watched the replays? I know exactly what you mean here cloud no offense to G5 what so ever but Cloud played superior to G5 in both games. Better probe production, better timings, cleaner mechanics etc but the one thing which G5 did better was engage every battle perfectly. It was beautiful to watch, but man it must have sucked for you cloud =[. If G5 wants to give ret a run for his money he's really going to need to smooth over his game and bring his mechanics up to par. Here's hoping he can Yea I think this is a pretty baseless comment. G5 played better in the areas that counted.
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man, i havent watched a replay in a looong time... since when do they have chat?
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Dominican Republic825 Posts
but i dont see the link to download the reps where are them>?
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On January 07 2010 22:29 Re-Play- wrote: but i dont see the link to download the reps where are them>? Look for big bright bolded red letters and a capitalized "click here" text at the top of the op. I'm not going to help any more.
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Dominican Republic825 Posts
On January 07 2010 19:06 iG.ClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 18:48 MorroW[MB] wrote: both of u were going blind game 1 (thats alittle part of the charm in pvp). none of u really checked out each other alot so g5 decided so cut probe and 2base while u mass probe and 3base... so it wasnt really just him who played unsafe. its pvp there is not really any "safe" build if ive understood this correctly from other toss users. g5 played better than u and he deserved to win and if u get nervous we still shouldn't take any credits away from g5
if ur nervous u should figure out a way to get past that instead of giving up at playing these tournaments if u enjoy them so much You do not play pvp like that on destination because when you attack on the other side of the map the opponent has a better unit count than you and can defend on the bridge mid map (and even if he cut probes I did have same units as him plus 4 templars without storm lol, but I even failed to move these 4 decisive goons on my third along with my army). That's why I said he played bad on game one, because I think that's an obsolete tactic that can eventually work if your opponent pretty much fails at macroing or having their units together. Game 2 was even more ridicolous, nexus before robo on that map is totally meaningless because any reaver push or dt build rapes it pretty bad (especially because it's easier to scout on outsider and it's not a big map). The fact I played worse than him and he deserved victory more than me as how bad I played is a fact I am not denying at all. It's just hard to bear the frustration of playing at half your capabilities in tournaments you should do better than you do in your standard practice games. That said I still wish g5 good luck against Flaf in the next round, I obviously just felt like sharing my opinion about this and it's not meant to be a personal attack against him.
u are gosu man, i understand u
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Dominican Republic825 Posts
On January 07 2010 22:41 538 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 22:29 Re-Play- wrote: but i dont see the link to download the reps where are them>? Look for big bright bolded red letters and a capitalized "click here" text at the top of the op. I'm not going to help any more. most of the time replays are linked with a .RAR or zip now they are under the map linked many ppl can get confuse
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I'm a little sad that ClouD got knocked out so early =(, was hoping to see him make it further. But never the less, I have to give credit where it's due. Congrats G5!!!
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