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LeoTheLion
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
China958 Posts
December 06 2009 15:03 GMT
#1521
mad props to f91. he has almost exclusively played koreans/non-TSL people to get to where he is. gogo f91!!
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 15:15:24
December 06 2009 15:13 GMT
#1522
On December 07 2009 00:03 LeoTheLion wrote:
mad props to f91. he has almost exclusively played koreans/non-TSL people to get to where he is. gogo f91!!

haha why does that get props? i think ideally TSL would have its own ladder and not be a ladder within a ladder. it kinda just sucks when people don't get to play most of their games against other TSL participants. i certainly wouldnt encourage it

it's gonna be really sad if you say he deserves props cuz non-TSL players are generally better than TSL players. this is supposed to be kinda a prestigious event... and i think it is :o
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
December 06 2009 15:21 GMT
#1523
I love the kolll jock riding, LOL. Ppl commenting about kolll's winrates etc. Its all so hilarous. I can't wait for this shit to begin.
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
December 06 2009 15:21 GMT
#1524
whoa TSLiquid.Drone doing really well, he definitely can stay in the top48 if this continues!

Morrow beating legit A- players to reach A, great job!
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
December 06 2009 15:23 GMT
#1525
On December 07 2009 00:13 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 00:03 LeoTheLion wrote:
mad props to f91. he has almost exclusively played koreans/non-TSL people to get to where he is. gogo f91!!

haha why does that get props? i think ideally TSL would have its own ladder and not be a ladder within a ladder. it kinda just sucks when people don't get to play most of their games against other TSL participants. i certainly wouldnt encourage it

it's gonna be really sad if you say he deserves props cuz non-TSL players are generally better than TSL players. this is supposed to be kinda a prestigious event... and i think it is :o

This just doesn't make sense at all. TSL players suck compared to koreans, they dodge a lot and it's all obvious. He deserves respect for reaching his place like he did.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44171 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 15:39:39
December 06 2009 15:28 GMT
#1526
On December 05 2009 08:02 SkelA wrote:
Kolll already B- with 39-0 i hope he gets at least A- in this weekend !

And lol Morrow way to go ... kwark style is the safest way wish you gl with the qualifers

Wait, how is it KwarK style? I thought dodging/tournamenting to A- was called morrowing :S

Edit: No offence, a few seasons ago when you first achieved A- you were more like a B rank player imo but nobody could deny the constant improvement in your game, both before and since then.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 15:34:19
December 06 2009 15:32 GMT
#1527
278 - 240
350 - 306
211 - 155
467 - 497
483 - 466
292 - 205
305 - 223

Those are the records of the Koreans he played from the games on the first page of his match list. He went 10-9 vs them. *golfclap*

A year ago when I was in estro, iccup was more difficult, but if B teamers played that many games, they could scrap an A rank, not be stuck at A-. So by my reckoning, F91 goes about 50% with Koreans that aren't even on pro teams.

edit: Oh i think i see what you're saying now. Since so many TSL players have gotten their ranks cheaply, we've lowered our standard so that people getting their rank in a normal way deserve mad props. Well i'm not going for that either.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Substandard
Profile Joined October 2008
Italy270 Posts
December 06 2009 15:41 GMT
#1528
On December 07 2009 00:23 iG.ClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 00:13 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On December 07 2009 00:03 LeoTheLion wrote:
mad props to f91. he has almost exclusively played koreans/non-TSL people to get to where he is. gogo f91!!

haha why does that get props? i think ideally TSL would have its own ladder and not be a ladder within a ladder. it kinda just sucks when people don't get to play most of their games against other TSL participants. i certainly wouldnt encourage it

it's gonna be really sad if you say he deserves props cuz non-TSL players are generally better than TSL players. this is supposed to be kinda a prestigious event... and i think it is :o

This just doesn't make sense at all. TSL players suck compared to koreans, they dodge a lot and it's all obvious. He deserves respect for reaching his place like he did.


I agree, props to those who play every opponent.
Unfortunatley it's true that most non TSL-players at A-/A rank (i. E. koreans) are better than TSL players due to dodging from the latter. This is ofc not true for everyone.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 06 2009 15:49 GMT
#1529
I personally think it warrants a certain amount of respect when you instead of dodging just rely purely on your own skill to make it to the top. That being said, I don't blame the people who dodge.

Go Cloud!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
December 06 2009 15:51 GMT
#1530
5 reasons why its alot better playing against TSL gamers during tsl

1: its easier
2: we are all preparing this ladder to practice for the big tournament, which is filled with foreigners. foreigners and koreans gamestyle differ alot so playing against koreans wont help me stop kwarks 4gate dt rush or deskas 2base defiler etc
3: by beating a tsl gamer not only do i get points, i also push down another tsl player down the rank by usually 140 pts, which makes the overall top48 standard alot lower
4: you get a feeling of how good and what kind of gamestyle this gamer has, for example if a couple of games with this zerg guy i will have replays and intel about this gamer that i can abuse in the actual tournament
5: its funnier, its just that much funnier beating a a- foreigner that starts flaming u after game than beating a korean which just says gg. not that all foreigners start flaming but you can imagine the looks on their faces when they drop a reaver on ur spider mine xd
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 06 2009 16:01 GMT
#1531
facing koreans is better for your skills
facing tsl gamers is better for your rank & knowledge in the upcoming TSL

A mix is simply the best solution.. Only foreigners sucks but only koreans isnt a good choice as well.. imo
hatred outlives the hateful
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13081 Posts
December 06 2009 16:06 GMT
#1532
On December 07 2009 00:28 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2009 08:02 SkelA wrote:
Kolll already B- with 39-0 i hope he gets at least A- in this weekend !

And lol Morrow way to go ... kwark style is the safest way wish you gl with the qualifers

Wait, how is it KwarK style? I thought dodging/tournamenting to A- was called morrowing :S

Edit: No offence, a few seasons ago when you first achieved A- you were more like a B rank player imo but nobody could deny the constant improvement in your game, both before and since then.


Seriosly Morrow played like 3-4 games on D C ranks just so he could hit A for the first time in his life and you have been playing 2-3 ranks lower than you to hit B+/A- for the past few months even before TSL so i dont get your statement about morrowing or w/e LoL
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44171 Posts
December 06 2009 16:10 GMT
#1533
On December 07 2009 01:06 SkelA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 00:28 KwarK wrote:
On December 05 2009 08:02 SkelA wrote:
Kolll already B- with 39-0 i hope he gets at least A- in this weekend !

And lol Morrow way to go ... kwark style is the safest way wish you gl with the qualifers

Wait, how is it KwarK style? I thought dodging/tournamenting to A- was called morrowing :S

Edit: No offence, a few seasons ago when you first achieved A- you were more like a B rank player imo but nobody could deny the constant improvement in your game, both before and since then.


Seriosly Morrow played like 3-4 games on D C ranks just so he could hit A for the first time in his life and you have been playing 2-3 ranks lower than you to hit B+/A- for the past few months even before TSL so i dont get your statement about morrowing or w/e LoL

The first time morrow got A- was through the kind of game selection I'm doing + tournaments. I'm following in his footsteps, not the other way round.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Lewis
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
China14 Posts
December 06 2009 16:17 GMT
#1534
On December 07 2009 00:51 MorroW[MB] wrote:
5 reasons why its alot better playing against TSL gamers during tsl

1: its easier
2: we are all preparing this ladder to practice for the big tournament, which is filled with foreigners. foreigners and koreans gamestyle differ alot so playing against koreans wont help me stop kwarks 4gate dt rush or deskas 2base defiler etc
...

How if someone dodge the games with the top players in TSL?
It is unfair to the best players cause they would have less opportunities to rise the ranks.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13081 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 16:19:03
December 06 2009 16:18 GMT
#1535
On December 07 2009 01:10 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2009 01:06 SkelA wrote:
On December 07 2009 00:28 KwarK wrote:
On December 05 2009 08:02 SkelA wrote:
Kolll already B- with 39-0 i hope he gets at least A- in this weekend !

And lol Morrow way to go ... kwark style is the safest way wish you gl with the qualifers

Wait, how is it KwarK style? I thought dodging/tournamenting to A- was called morrowing :S

Edit: No offence, a few seasons ago when you first achieved A- you were more like a B rank player imo but nobody could deny the constant improvement in your game, both before and since then.


Seriosly Morrow played like 3-4 games on D C ranks just so he could hit A for the first time in his life and you have been playing 2-3 ranks lower than you to hit B+/A- for the past few months even before TSL so i dont get your statement about morrowing or w/e LoL

The first time morrow got A- was through the kind of game selection I'm doing + tournaments. I'm following in his footsteps, not the other way round.


Alot of good players have been geting tournament points but thats not the point im sure that you will get eliminated in elimination rounds ( if you qualify that is ) and morrow got a good chance of going quite far.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-06 16:20:27
December 06 2009 16:20 GMT
#1536
TSL 2 Finals:
Kwark vs. Morrow

The skills to pay the bills.
sex appeal
Straylight
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada706 Posts
December 06 2009 16:21 GMT
#1537
I like how Kwark is less concerned with the fact that he and Morrow both play down ranks and more concerned that people should be aware that Morrow started it before him >.>
It felt like gravity.
ftb
Profile Joined October 2009
49 Posts
December 06 2009 16:31 GMT
#1538
I don't know why you guys are so upset about kwark and morrow abusing their ways to the TSL. The ladder ist kinda irrelevant anyway. JF was only ranked 18th last time and still made his way up. Players who have potencial to get even into the top 16 will be in the top 48 at least and they gonna steamroll the players who dont deserve their ranks. I mean in the moment you see morrow higher ranked than ret or f91, you realize that the ladder is a piece of shit when it comes down to measuring the players skill, jzst because it is a ladder in a ladder as nony said.
So relax, it doesnt matter how high one is ranked. Even if White-Ra is #48, he still will make his way throug the qualification and end up in the elimination rounds and morrow will still get his ass kicked.
Justice will be done eventually. (epic dramatic line to end this post of nensense.)
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
December 06 2009 16:40 GMT
#1539
^JF squeaked into the top 16 last time with a last-second gain via a complaint going through, if I recall correctly.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 06 2009 16:45 GMT
#1540
On December 07 2009 00:32 Liquid`NonY wrote:
278 - 240
350 - 306
211 - 155
467 - 497
483 - 466
292 - 205
305 - 223

Those are the records of the Koreans he played from the games on the first page of his match list. He went 10-9 vs them. *golfclap*

A year ago when I was in estro, iccup was more difficult, but if B teamers played that many games, they could scrap an A rank, not be stuck at A-. So by my reckoning, F91 goes about 50% with Koreans that aren't even on pro teams.

edit: Oh i think i see what you're saying now. Since so many TSL players have gotten their ranks cheaply, we've lowered our standard so that people getting their rank in a normal way deserve mad props. Well i'm not going for that either.

well koreans with those stats are still quite a bit better almost all of the tsl players. its not a matter of lowering standards, its just a bigger achievement relatively speaking, even if it isnt all that big in itself.

but actually just given that its f91 i think playing low level koreans would be easier than playing foreigners for him. the robots would have no clue what to do vs him.
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