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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 21:44:52
December 11 2009 21:41 GMT
#2501
I wonder if this isn't the "no Chinese players" rule backfiring a little bit: lots of high level people who are not allowed to participate under their names, so they are more likely to do this sort of thing.

Edit:just noticed the US flag.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
December 11 2009 21:42 GMT
#2502
On December 12 2009 06:39 ret wrote:
I'm not kidding. I saw estro players play iccup against IpromiseU all the time. And saw reps of him. He is Chinese and protoss 100% ( said so in multiple games) and f91 just got 3 really short games vs his terran, so it can't really be any more obvious. Highly amusing. :D

LOL funny how he would get a 3min win zvt..( vs. his off race) then get a 3min win vs. his protoss.. how does a A rank player lose in 3 min :p
bEsT[Alive]
Profile Joined July 2009
606 Posts
December 11 2009 21:43 GMT
#2503
I'm sure Hot_Bid and Ken are looking into this as we speak.
If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun - Katharine Hepburn
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
December 11 2009 21:45 GMT
#2504
It also makes perfect sense with what ash posted. Bad hardware and everything, last minute ditch attempt, lose 0-3 to castro and unable to play with bad mouse. Hit up your friendly neighboorhood chinese A player for some help. Lol
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17920 Posts
December 11 2009 21:45 GMT
#2505
On December 12 2009 06:24 Ash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2009 06:14 rapture wrote:
Castro just 3-0 F91


sucks for him to play with bad mouse especially when micro means so much in zvz

idk sounds like bad excuse to me.

but to be fair ret : only the 1st game is vs terran other 2 are vs protoss

(does look pretty suspicous though)
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 21:48:48
December 11 2009 21:47 GMT
#2506
EDIT: too slow
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 21:54:45
December 11 2009 21:47 GMT
#2507
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NeV
Profile Joined July 2008
Italy370 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 21:50:12
December 11 2009 21:49 GMT
#2508
actually he played terran once and protoss twice
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
December 11 2009 21:49 GMT
#2509
IpromiseU beat IdrA and Fenix, as well as a score of other good players, so a 20 minute 0-3 vs. F91 does seem fishy.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
December 11 2009 21:50 GMT
#2510
No, not joking Just saying that if its undeniable and obvious like that, the TSLadmins will recognize it, too. I just dont think it is worth arguing about
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
bEsT[Alive]
Profile Joined July 2009
606 Posts
December 11 2009 21:55 GMT
#2511
I want to see those replays myself.
If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun - Katharine Hepburn
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 21:57:18
December 11 2009 21:55 GMT
#2512
On December 12 2009 06:39 ret wrote:
I'm not kidding. I saw estro players play iccup against IpromiseU all the time. And saw reps of him. He is Chinese and protoss 100% ( said so in multiple games) and f91 just got 3 really short games vs his terran, so it can't really be any more obvious. Highly amusing. :D

Especially since IpromisU has only played 5 games as terran on his 220game+ account, and yet now he challenges the very well known F91's zerg with it...

On December 12 2009 06:45 ret wrote:
It also makes perfect sense with what ash posted. Bad hardware and everything, last minute ditch attempt, lose 0-3 to castro and unable to play with bad mouse. Hit up your friendly neighboorhood chinese A player for some help. Lol

I agree with you, as much as I liked F91's performance in the TL events, this does look very suspicious

edit: ok, now I see only the first game is versus his terran. Oh well... I just hope TL staff keeps an open eye for such events, and use their best judgement, especially in these final desperate hours.
BW fighting!
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
December 11 2009 21:57 GMT
#2513
On December 12 2009 06:50 Sewi wrote:
No, not joking Just saying that if its undeniable and obvious like that, the TSLadmins will recognize it, too. I just dont think it is worth arguing about


Uh.. what Ret just said makes it seem very fishy, and i'm not trying to shit on the TSL admins but they can't possibly know evey aka on ICCUP, so obviously someone needs to fill them in if they know something which in this case, Ret seems to do.
We make signature, then defense it.
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
December 11 2009 22:01 GMT
#2514
ladder stage's always like this, don't remind me of the last tsl ladder
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Ash
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Malaysia1978 Posts
December 11 2009 22:02 GMT
#2515
On December 12 2009 06:39 ret wrote:
I'm not kidding. I saw estro players play iccup against IpromiseU all the time. And saw reps of him. He is Chinese and protoss 100% ( said so in multiple games) and f91 just got 3 really short games vs his terran, so it can't really be any more obvious. Highly amusing. :D


I'm not sure if hes chinese but I've just asked F91 personally if he knows that guy and f91 denied. I'll get replays from him later but I don't think hes stupid enough to cheat on two 3 mins games.
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
December 11 2009 22:07 GMT
#2516
If there is a buildorder win like 14 cc vs 9 pool or something its hard to prove that its cheating, or am i wrong?
Dont get me wrong, I think it is suspicious but a replay alone doesnt prove things 100% although it were obvious like ret stated.
But we have to wait if he qualifies at all. He is losing points, too at the moment.

@ret: come on, make A+ I really hope that some of the top 12 players try to get some more points but I highly doubt it
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
bEsT[Alive]
Profile Joined July 2009
606 Posts
December 11 2009 22:11 GMT
#2517
There is a lot of dodging going around; hence, many players have peaked.

From here on in, it will just go up and down, up and down as players try to rack up the limited points.
If you obey all the rules you miss all the fun - Katharine Hepburn
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
December 11 2009 22:14 GMT
#2518
I don't know if TSL ladder admins look this thread that closely, but still that old case I get annoyed as nothing has happened so far (perhaps it happens after ladder is done)

Castro plays TSL account when it starts, Kr playes TSL account too. Then suddenly castro uses other account and plays against Kr who was using TSL account.

Now is this that kinda accident that admins are going to say "oh its misunderstanding or only happened once". If it is, now everybody can do it once to try get few losses away from top players without getting punished.

What is punishment on this case?
Torlak
Profile Joined August 2007
Macedonia74 Posts
December 11 2009 22:18 GMT
#2519
Maybe it was cheating, or maybe it was a successful 5 pool, two times in a row, on a 4 player map. Can anyone prove that it was cheating, even if one had the replays? I'm not sure you can. That said, it is still very suspicious... hm...
I love mankind, it's people I can't stand.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6163 Posts
December 11 2009 22:20 GMT
#2520
that is what LAdder is all about.. DRAMA :D
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