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On May 29 2018 22:51 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2018 22:47 Acrofales wrote:
Luolis confirmed Seeker alt? :D
OT: yeah, @piss. Or maybe don't make horrifically bad "jokes" about TB. Is having even the tiniest smidgeon of respect for the dead too much to ask? Or even just your silence, if you don't have anything nice to say about it?
You say yourself "keep away the trolls"... well, one man's joke is another man's troll post. And to me, your post looked a lot more like trolling than joking. So I guess the mods succeeded in their mission? Im quickly gonna put my 2 cents in that i think Opisska knew that he'd get banned for that post and isn't criticizing it. He's moreso in general criticizing the moderation. I can be wrong, but from what i've seen in the chats on our discord he's not opposed to that ban, but is critical of moderation in general. Also if i was Seeker's alt i wouldn't be getting banned for a week for saying ":D" ;D
Keeping up appearances!
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Germany25649 Posts
Opisska thinking our moderation is bad is a pretty good indicator that our moderation is in fact good.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
On May 30 2018 00:26 KadaverBB wrote:
Opisska thinking our moderation is bad is a pretty good indicator that our moderation is in fact good.
True, but the moderation staff thinking the moderation is in fact good is an indication that it is actually bad.
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United States24577 Posts
Who stated that moderation is good? KBB just pointed to an indicator, and you even agreed.
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Germany25649 Posts
Moderation can always use work.Lets just say that it has gotten a lot more complicated than say 5 years ago.
Banning shitposters who do nothing but balance whine and complain about annoying caster XYZ is pretty simple. Moderating a rather complex political discussion without pissing people off is much more difficult 
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
So the politics threads are the lion's share of the moderation workload these days then?
In any case, my comment wasn't serious (guess that's the dangers of text). I've given my thoughts more than enough times so I think people know where I stand on the larger issues.
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Inconsistency is a pretty minor problem, IMO. Some folks, like lyself, have a habit of pushing the limits. And sometimes we escape unharmed, and sometimes we get burned.
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On May 28 2018 08:23 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2018 02:41 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Looks to me like a severe over-reaction in both cases, but then again both should have known that TL mods would be overly sensitive. Oh really? Would you care to elaborate then? Why exactly do you think that was an overreaction and why exactly do you think the mods would be overly sensitive?
The overly hostile tone makes my point. If I were to respond to you in the exact same manner, I would be warned or banned by you.
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On May 30 2018 03:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2018 08:23 Seeker wrote:On May 28 2018 02:41 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Looks to me like a severe over-reaction in both cases, but then again both should have known that TL mods would be overly sensitive. Oh really? Would you care to elaborate then? Why exactly do you think that was an overreaction and why exactly do you think the mods would be overly sensitive? The overly hostile tone makes my point. If I were to respond to you in the exact same manner, I would be warned or banned by you.
i think that you read hostility into that post makes everyone else’s point..
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This is just getting ridiculous actually.
I get that between stating your thoughts in an insulting way and in a neutral manner, the later is obviously preferred. But if you condemn stating abruptly a fact more than saying some bullshit, but with flowers, then moderation should indeed be re-evaluated. Otherwise, it could also be a solution to explicitly state that the idea is just to keep a group that is happy to circle jerk over their own ideas and that's it. But doing kinda one, and trying to pretend kinda the other one is simply hypocrite.
(I am obviously not talking about anything TB related, that's a different matter -that can also not be discussed anyway, but alright)
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On May 30 2018 04:04 AbouSV wrote:
This is just getting ridiculous actually.
I get that between stating your thoughts in an insulting way and in a neutral manner, the later is obviously preferred. But if you condemn stating abruptly a fact more than saying some bullshit, but with flowers, then moderation should indeed be re-evaluated. Otherwise, it could also be a solution to explicitly state that the idea is just to keep a group that is happy to circle jerk over their own ideas and that's it. But doing kinda one, and trying to pretend kinda the other one is simply hypocrite.
(I am obviously not talking about anything TB related, that's a different matter -that can also not be discussed anyway, but alright)
TL in a nutshell since SC2 hit. People get away with conspiracy theories, lies and outright idiocy while at the same time not willing to provide sources for their claims.
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On May 30 2018 03:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2018 08:23 Seeker wrote:On May 28 2018 02:41 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Looks to me like a severe over-reaction in both cases, but then again both should have known that TL mods would be overly sensitive. Oh really? Would you care to elaborate then? Why exactly do you think that was an overreaction and why exactly do you think the mods would be overly sensitive? The overly hostile tone makes my point. If I were to respond to you in the exact same manner, I would be warned or banned by you.
there was nothing hostile about Seeker's post. He's obviously confused as to why you think it's an overreaction. All the mods that saw the post believed it should be actioned so this wasn't the action of one mod, even though I banned fluidrone and helped ban opisska as well.
Both wrote posts that were extremely insensitive. It doesn't matter if you're trying to make a joke that you think is funny if the audience themselves don't think it is. Even more so when the guy who died was not someone related to you in any way, shape or form. Heck, neither of these guys have probably had any kind of contact with TB outside TL and even on TL, doubt it's been anything significant either (sorry but quoting or responding to a post of his on here isn't). Either way, the bottom line is to be nice and respectful to everyone, including those who passed away.
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On May 30 2018 04:16 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2018 04:04 AbouSV wrote:
This is just getting ridiculous actually.
I get that between stating your thoughts in an insulting way and in a neutral manner, the later is obviously preferred. But if you condemn stating abruptly a fact more than saying some bullshit, but with flowers, then moderation should indeed be re-evaluated. Otherwise, it could also be a solution to explicitly state that the idea is just to keep a group that is happy to circle jerk over their own ideas and that's it. But doing kinda one, and trying to pretend kinda the other one is simply hypocrite.
(I am obviously not talking about anything TB related, that's a different matter -that can also not be discussed anyway, but alright) TL in a nutshell since SC2 hit. People get away with conspiracy theories, lies and outright idiocy while at the same time not willing to provide sources for their claims.
i concur with the above posts for sure. moderation seems to want all posts to smell like unicorns and rainbows. moderation guidelines have not aged in accordance with the userbase
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On May 31 2018 00:26 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2018 04:16 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On May 30 2018 04:04 AbouSV wrote:
This is just getting ridiculous actually.
I get that between stating your thoughts in an insulting way and in a neutral manner, the later is obviously preferred. But if you condemn stating abruptly a fact more than saying some bullshit, but with flowers, then moderation should indeed be re-evaluated. Otherwise, it could also be a solution to explicitly state that the idea is just to keep a group that is happy to circle jerk over their own ideas and that's it. But doing kinda one, and trying to pretend kinda the other one is simply hypocrite.
(I am obviously not talking about anything TB related, that's a different matter -that can also not be discussed anyway, but alright) TL in a nutshell since SC2 hit. People get away with conspiracy theories, lies and outright idiocy while at the same time not willing to provide sources for their claims. i concur with the above posts for sure. moderation seems to want all posts to smell like unicorns and rainbows. moderation guidelines have not aged in accordance with the userbase
If only the userbase's posting standards had aged with themselves... Criticize the moderation all you want for being biased, uneven, encouraging comformity, stifling etc, but I'm not sure I get the logic that being older should mean being given more latitude to be an asshole.
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United Kingdom13775 Posts
On May 31 2018 07:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2018 00:26 evilfatsh1t wrote:On May 30 2018 04:16 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On May 30 2018 04:04 AbouSV wrote:
This is just getting ridiculous actually.
I get that between stating your thoughts in an insulting way and in a neutral manner, the later is obviously preferred. But if you condemn stating abruptly a fact more than saying some bullshit, but with flowers, then moderation should indeed be re-evaluated. Otherwise, it could also be a solution to explicitly state that the idea is just to keep a group that is happy to circle jerk over their own ideas and that's it. But doing kinda one, and trying to pretend kinda the other one is simply hypocrite.
(I am obviously not talking about anything TB related, that's a different matter -that can also not be discussed anyway, but alright) TL in a nutshell since SC2 hit. People get away with conspiracy theories, lies and outright idiocy while at the same time not willing to provide sources for their claims. i concur with the above posts for sure. moderation seems to want all posts to smell like unicorns and rainbows. moderation guidelines have not aged in accordance with the userbase If only the userbase's posting standards had aged with themselves... Criticize the moderation all you want for being biased, uneven, encouraging comformity, stifling etc, but I'm not sure I get the logic that being older should mean being given more latitude to be an asshole.
Yeah, it should be based on salary instead. The higher you’re income, the more of a jerk your allowed to be.
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What was the deal with "Account431717"?
I asked him to private message me, and then he requested to be nuked, and all of his posts were eradicated.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36921 Posts
On May 31 2018 11:24 ninazerg wrote:
What was the deal with "Account431717"?
I asked him to private message me, and then he requested to be nuked, and all of his posts were eradicated.
He was very upset with how TL treated him when he made that thread. So he requested a perm because he felt that TL was too hostile and unwelcoming.
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On May 31 2018 11:30 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2018 11:24 ninazerg wrote:
What was the deal with "Account431717"?
I asked him to private message me, and then he requested to be nuked, and all of his posts were eradicated. He was very upset with how TL treated him when he made that thread. So he requested a perm because he felt that TL was too hostile and unwelcoming.
Did you message him or did he message you?
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36921 Posts
On May 31 2018 12:37 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2018 11:30 Seeker wrote:On May 31 2018 11:24 ninazerg wrote:
What was the deal with "Account431717"?
I asked him to private message me, and then he requested to be nuked, and all of his posts were eradicated. He was very upset with how TL treated him when he made that thread. So he requested a perm because he felt that TL was too hostile and unwelcoming. Did you message him or did he message you?
He sent an email to KadaverBB.
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On May 31 2018 12:49 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2018 12:37 ninazerg wrote:On May 31 2018 11:30 Seeker wrote:On May 31 2018 11:24 ninazerg wrote:
What was the deal with "Account431717"?
I asked him to private message me, and then he requested to be nuked, and all of his posts were eradicated. He was very upset with how TL treated him when he made that thread. So he requested a perm because he felt that TL was too hostile and unwelcoming. Did you message him or did he message you? He sent an email to KadaverBB.
How did he know who to contact? That seems strange that someone who just recently discovered this website would know a moderator.
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